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		By: Fugue T		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2019/06/22/human-nature-is-it-good-or-is-it-bad/#comment-2440371</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Fugue T]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jun 2019 05:22:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Neo, 

I believe you&#039;ve read the classic, &quot;Lord of the Flies&quot; by Golding (and seen the movie based on the book). Before I came to America, I was told this is a must reading by college and high school in America. I don&#039;t hear people mentioning this book very much today. I hope you can write a piece of review on this book. I think the main theme of Lord of  the Flies&quot; is inherent evil of humans, demonstrated by a group of kids in an isolated island. This is one of a few books that influence me so profoundly. Thanks in advance.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neo, </p>
<p>I believe you&#8217;ve read the classic, &#8220;Lord of the Flies&#8221; by Golding (and seen the movie based on the book). Before I came to America, I was told this is a must reading by college and high school in America. I don&#8217;t hear people mentioning this book very much today. I hope you can write a piece of review on this book. I think the main theme of Lord of  the Flies&#8221; is inherent evil of humans, demonstrated by a group of kids in an isolated island. This is one of a few books that influence me so profoundly. Thanks in advance.</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2019/06/22/human-nature-is-it-good-or-is-it-bad/#comment-2440357</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ymarsakar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jun 2019 03:40:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;** There were reports of a Canadian psychiatrist, Dr.Ewan Cameron—reportedly at one time President of both the American the Canadian Psychiatric Associations, no less—who, as part of the CIA’s MK-ULTRA program, performed some extremely gruesome, damaging experiments using what he called “psychic driving,” in which he put psychiatric patients in sensory deprivation tanks, and bombarded them with loud music for hours on end, with the aim of erasing their memories and personality—their basic programming—so that he could then reprogram them however he wished.&lt;/b&gt;

That&#039;s so crude, Snow. We and they have made great progress since then, don&#039;t worry. Now the slaves pay to be enslaved and they enjoy being slaves. Success!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>** There were reports of a Canadian psychiatrist, Dr.Ewan Cameron—reportedly at one time President of both the American the Canadian Psychiatric Associations, no less—who, as part of the CIA’s MK-ULTRA program, performed some extremely gruesome, damaging experiments using what he called “psychic driving,” in which he put psychiatric patients in sensory deprivation tanks, and bombarded them with loud music for hours on end, with the aim of erasing their memories and personality—their basic programming—so that he could then reprogram them however he wished.</b></p>
<p>That&#8217;s so crude, Snow. We and they have made great progress since then, don&#8217;t worry. Now the slaves pay to be enslaved and they enjoy being slaves. Success!</p>
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		By: Bryan Lovely		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bryan Lovely]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jun 2019 05:43:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;The Talmud notes that without the yetzer ra (the desire to satisfy personal needs), man would not build a house, marry a wife, beget children or conduct business affairs.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
... &lt;a href=&quot;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Enemy_Within_(Star_Trek:_The_Original_Series)&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;command a starship&lt;/a&gt; ...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The Talmud notes that without the yetzer ra (the desire to satisfy personal needs), man would not build a house, marry a wife, beget children or conduct business affairs.</p></blockquote>
<p>&#8230; <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Enemy_Within_(Star_Trek:_The_Original_Series)" rel="nofollow">command a starship</a> &#8230;</p>
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		By: om		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[om]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jun 2019 05:26:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[AesopFan:

Your comment from 12:09 is apt.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AesopFan:</p>
<p>Your comment from 12:09 is apt.</p>
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		By: Roy Nathanson		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Roy Nathanson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jun 2019 04:50:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Huxley, 

Rereading your comments in this thread, we are pretty much on the same page.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Huxley, </p>
<p>Rereading your comments in this thread, we are pretty much on the same page.</p>
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		By: Roy Nathanson		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Roy Nathanson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jun 2019 04:45:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Snow on Pine,

I never said that there was any such consensus.  However, some were dragging out that old argument that any species that commits genocide must be evil. In fact there are examples of animals engaging in mass annihilation of competing tribes, but this is besides the point. 

In any case, virtually everyone commenting missed the original point I was making. Richf was going for the same target I was, but approached it from a different angle. He was simply ignored, while I was mocked.

Sigh...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Snow on Pine,</p>
<p>I never said that there was any such consensus.  However, some were dragging out that old argument that any species that commits genocide must be evil. In fact there are examples of animals engaging in mass annihilation of competing tribes, but this is besides the point. </p>
<p>In any case, virtually everyone commenting missed the original point I was making. Richf was going for the same target I was, but approached it from a different angle. He was simply ignored, while I was mocked.</p>
<p>Sigh&#8230;</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AesopFan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jun 2019 04:09:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Blast from the past - looking at some old posts on WWI history, this seemed relevant to the debate.

https://chicagoboyz.net/archives/57011.html#comment-1005159

&lt;blockquote&gt;OBloodyHell Says: 
April 3rd, 2018 at 10:12 am
Excellent piece. I do tend to concur that that war, and its aftermath, is what is destroying the West.

I strongly recommend reading “What We Lost In The Great War”, a now 25yo article from American Heritage magazine.
http://www.americanheritage.com/content/what-we-lost-great-war

I believe that the Classical Liberals of Europe, so proud, so arrogant, went into that war believing they were God’s chosen, that they were a “better man” whose destiny was to bring The Enlightenment” to the rest of the world.

&lt;b&gt;Seeing that they could be just as stupid and savage and senseless as humans had ever been, they turned on themselves, their rage becoming self-hatred, and morphed into PostModern Liberals. &lt;/b&gt;PML targets the very underpinnings of the West, Christianity and the Inheritance of Classical Greek Thought and ideal. It is a social cancer aimed at the destruction of The West and everything it stands for. And it has been very poorly opposed for a century, now.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blast from the past &#8211; looking at some old posts on WWI history, this seemed relevant to the debate.</p>
<p><a href="https://chicagoboyz.net/archives/57011.html#comment-1005159" rel="nofollow ugc">https://chicagoboyz.net/archives/57011.html#comment-1005159</a></p>
<blockquote><p>OBloodyHell Says:<br />
April 3rd, 2018 at 10:12 am<br />
Excellent piece. I do tend to concur that that war, and its aftermath, is what is destroying the West.</p>
<p>I strongly recommend reading “What We Lost In The Great War”, a now 25yo article from American Heritage magazine.<br />
<a href="http://www.americanheritage.com/content/what-we-lost-great-war" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.americanheritage.com/content/what-we-lost-great-war</a></p>
<p>I believe that the Classical Liberals of Europe, so proud, so arrogant, went into that war believing they were God’s chosen, that they were a “better man” whose destiny was to bring The Enlightenment” to the rest of the world.</p>
<p><b>Seeing that they could be just as stupid and savage and senseless as humans had ever been, they turned on themselves, their rage becoming self-hatred, and morphed into PostModern Liberals. </b>PML targets the very underpinnings of the West, Christianity and the Inheritance of Classical Greek Thought and ideal. It is a social cancer aimed at the destruction of The West and everything it stands for. And it has been very poorly opposed for a century, now.
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		By: aNanyMouse		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[aNanyMouse]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jun 2019 00:40:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Rufus, related to “party loyalists who are motivated by a desire to import Democrat voters at any cost…”, I’d much appreciate anyone who could recommend a place (on the web) where someone does real justice to this electorate-demographics strategy. 

On somewhat related aspects of electoral strategy, see J. Rosenberg, on why top Dem strategists (incl. Carville) pushed Obama (2011) to drop pretense of seeking white working class votes (for sake of appeals to underclass, + affluent suburbanites &#038; &quot;educated&quot; professionals), at http://www.discriminations.us/2011/11/now-its-official-democrats-abandon-white-working-class-voters/ .]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rufus, related to “party loyalists who are motivated by a desire to import Democrat voters at any cost…”, I’d much appreciate anyone who could recommend a place (on the web) where someone does real justice to this electorate-demographics strategy. </p>
<p>On somewhat related aspects of electoral strategy, see J. Rosenberg, on why top Dem strategists (incl. Carville) pushed Obama (2011) to drop pretense of seeking white working class votes (for sake of appeals to underclass, + affluent suburbanites &amp; &#8220;educated&#8221; professionals), at <a href="http://www.discriminations.us/2011/11/now-its-official-democrats-abandon-white-working-class-voters/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.discriminations.us/2011/11/now-its-official-democrats-abandon-white-working-class-voters/</a> .</p>
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		By: Snow on Pine		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Snow on Pine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Jun 2019 20:46:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Roy Nathanson--I see no overwhelming consensus in the comments here that &quot;humans are some sort of evil plague infecting Earth,&quot; rather the acknowledgment that men have flaws, are not perfect, and are unlikely “unperfectible.&quot; 

Unperfectible, I would think, unless changed and modified/shaped/warped extensively--as the Communists claim they are trying to do—by changing men’s socio-economic conditions, thoughts, and behaviors, but finding men “perfectible” not even then;  we are, after all, stubborn, resistant creatures, and are what we are, down to the core.  

Or modified/improved as some of those on the cutting edges of genetics, science, and technology seem to want us to be—in this case changes that may be so profound that their subjects may no longer qualify as being fully &quot;human.&quot; **

If you want to sample such an attitude of hate for humanity, search for some of the extreme environmentalist&#039;s comments, about how they see the human race as indeed infecting and despoiling pristine mother Earth, as raping Gaia. 

**  There were reports of a Canadian psychiatrist, Dr.Ewan Cameron—reportedly at one time President of both the American the Canadian Psychiatric Associations, no less—who, as part of the CIA’s MK-ULTRA program, performed some extremely gruesome, damaging experiments using what he called “psychic driving,” in which he put psychiatric patients in sensory deprivation tanks, and bombarded them with loud music for hours on end, with the aim of erasing their memories and personality—their basic programming—so that he could then reprogram them however he wished.  

See  https://newspunch.com/canada-mk-ultra-settlement/  and see  https://www.inverse.com/article/47055-why-are-canadians-suing-over-mk-ultra and see also   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychic_driving]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Roy Nathanson&#8211;I see no overwhelming consensus in the comments here that &#8220;humans are some sort of evil plague infecting Earth,&#8221; rather the acknowledgment that men have flaws, are not perfect, and are unlikely “unperfectible.&#8221; </p>
<p>Unperfectible, I would think, unless changed and modified/shaped/warped extensively&#8211;as the Communists claim they are trying to do—by changing men’s socio-economic conditions, thoughts, and behaviors, but finding men “perfectible” not even then;  we are, after all, stubborn, resistant creatures, and are what we are, down to the core.  </p>
<p>Or modified/improved as some of those on the cutting edges of genetics, science, and technology seem to want us to be—in this case changes that may be so profound that their subjects may no longer qualify as being fully &#8220;human.&#8221; **</p>
<p>If you want to sample such an attitude of hate for humanity, search for some of the extreme environmentalist&#8217;s comments, about how they see the human race as indeed infecting and despoiling pristine mother Earth, as raping Gaia. </p>
<p>**  There were reports of a Canadian psychiatrist, Dr.Ewan Cameron—reportedly at one time President of both the American the Canadian Psychiatric Associations, no less—who, as part of the CIA’s MK-ULTRA program, performed some extremely gruesome, damaging experiments using what he called “psychic driving,” in which he put psychiatric patients in sensory deprivation tanks, and bombarded them with loud music for hours on end, with the aim of erasing their memories and personality—their basic programming—so that he could then reprogram them however he wished.  </p>
<p>See  <a href="https://newspunch.com/canada-mk-ultra-settlement/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://newspunch.com/canada-mk-ultra-settlement/</a>  and see  <a href="https://www.inverse.com/article/47055-why-are-canadians-suing-over-mk-ultra" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.inverse.com/article/47055-why-are-canadians-suing-over-mk-ultra</a> and see also   <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychic_driving" rel="nofollow ugc">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychic_driving</a></p>
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		By: Rufus T. Firefly		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rufus T. Firefly]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Jun 2019 19:27:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[aNanyMouse,

You are correct, and white loathing (and/or white guilt suffering) folk are likely a percentage of open border backers, and some are likely Democrat party loyalists who are motivated by a desire to import Democrat voters at any cost, I would guess the greatest majority are altruists who believe they are eliminating or alleviating suffering.

Rather than have to go to the trouble of living in a country south of the U.S. and directly helping the indigent. And rather than having to donate my own money to fund a charity staffed with workers already doing that. And rather than having to open my own home, or neighborhood to illegal immigrants...

... I can still feel noble by voting that others take money from others to fund others who do that work.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>aNanyMouse,</p>
<p>You are correct, and white loathing (and/or white guilt suffering) folk are likely a percentage of open border backers, and some are likely Democrat party loyalists who are motivated by a desire to import Democrat voters at any cost, I would guess the greatest majority are altruists who believe they are eliminating or alleviating suffering.</p>
<p>Rather than have to go to the trouble of living in a country south of the U.S. and directly helping the indigent. And rather than having to donate my own money to fund a charity staffed with workers already doing that. And rather than having to open my own home, or neighborhood to illegal immigrants&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230; I can still feel noble by voting that others take money from others to fund others who do that work.</p>
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