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		By: Julie near Chicago		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Julie near Chicago]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Jun 2019 00:27:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[A consummation devoutly to be wished!  *applause*

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From Legal Insurrection, at Neo&#039;s initial link, boldface mine:

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;strong&gt;All three*&lt;/strong&gt; eventually would plead guilty to shoplifting and aggravated trespassing, and &lt;strong&gt;would avow that Gibson’s was not engaged in racial profiling.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

*The actual shoplifter, and two students who joined in to support him at the time of the shoplifting.  Oberlin decided the three were being discriminated against by Gibson&#039;s because of their Negro, or part-Negro, ancestry:  in other words, because they were &quot;black.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A consummation devoutly to be wished!  *applause*</p>
<p>.</p>
<p>From Legal Insurrection, at Neo&#8217;s initial link, boldface mine:</p>
<blockquote><p><strong>All three*</strong> eventually would plead guilty to shoplifting and aggravated trespassing, and <strong>would avow that Gibson’s was not engaged in racial profiling.</strong></p></blockquote>
<p>*The actual shoplifter, and two students who joined in to support him at the time of the shoplifting.  Oberlin decided the three were being discriminated against by Gibson&#8217;s because of their Negro, or part-Negro, ancestry:  in other words, because they were &#8220;black.&#8221;</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2019/06/07/gibsons-bakery-wins-lawsuit-against-oberlin/#comment-2438247</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[huxley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Jun 2019 23:09:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;We didn&#039;t start the fire
It was always burning since the world&#039;s been turning
We didn&#039;t start the fire
No, we didn&#039;t light it, but we tried to fight it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9p3DzUwxI0o
--Billy Joel&lt;/i&gt;

om: That&#039;s a deeper song than you may think. 

Joel wrote it after he heard a 21 year-old complaining about how crazy things were in the late 80s as though no previous humans had ever had to endure living in a crazy world.

The above link plays the song with a great historical video clip accompaniment.

&lt;i&gt;History, Stephen said, is a nightmare from which I am trying to awake.

--James Joyce, &quot;Ulysses&quot;&lt;/i&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>We didn&#8217;t start the fire<br />
It was always burning since the world&#8217;s been turning<br />
We didn&#8217;t start the fire<br />
No, we didn&#8217;t light it, but we tried to fight it</p>
<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9p3DzUwxI0o" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9p3DzUwxI0o</a><br />
&#8211;Billy Joel</i></p>
<p>om: That&#8217;s a deeper song than you may think. </p>
<p>Joel wrote it after he heard a 21 year-old complaining about how crazy things were in the late 80s as though no previous humans had ever had to endure living in a crazy world.</p>
<p>The above link plays the song with a great historical video clip accompaniment.</p>
<p><i>History, Stephen said, is a nightmare from which I am trying to awake.</p>
<p>&#8211;James Joyce, &#8220;Ulysses&#8221;</i></p>
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		By: om		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2019/06/07/gibsons-bakery-wins-lawsuit-against-oberlin/#comment-2438239</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Jun 2019 21:16:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[What do Evergreen College (WA) and Oberlin College (OH) have in common? Doctors of Diversity in the administration that will burn it all down (their places of employment) to get the &quot;man&quot; and further &quot;justice.&quot;

How does that song go? &quot;We didn&#039;t start the fire ....&quot;  Oopsie, chickens came home to roost.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What do Evergreen College (WA) and Oberlin College (OH) have in common? Doctors of Diversity in the administration that will burn it all down (their places of employment) to get the &#8220;man&#8221; and further &#8220;justice.&#8221;</p>
<p>How does that song go? &#8220;We didn&#8217;t start the fire &#8230;.&#8221;  Oopsie, chickens came home to roost.</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Jun 2019 19:42:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The &quot;Chronicle-Telegraph,&quot; the local paper to Oberlin, ran an article on Oberlin&#039;s loss. I read through much of the comment section. A student, CNM, responded and attempted to defend Oberlin students in a poor-mouth, poorly informed way. CNM was good enough to hang in and debate, but acquitted [reflexive pronoun here] poorly.

&lt;i&gt;CNM: As a student, we deserve to be miserable. This will put financial strain on our school which is ALREADY in debt, and therefore make it more difficult for students to afford oberlin. Incoming students who werent even a part of this whole mess at that. Gibsons is not really struggling, they just make it seem like they are, and in reality it is frustrating that people do not seem to understand who Oberlin students really are, which is a wide variety of young people just trying to get a good education.

http://www.chroniclet.com/Local-News/2019/06/07/Gibson-s-Bakery-v-Oberlin-College-More-than-11-million-awarded.html&lt;/i&gt;

Of course, Oberlin is not in debt, but is running a deficit, the lawsuit in no way hinges upon Oberlin&#039;s financial state though the financial harm to Gibson is germane, and Gibson has been hit hard enough to lay off about a third of its employees. 

Not to mention the outright, undocumented libel that Gibson was a &quot;racist establishment with a history of racial profiling,&quot; on a flyer, which Raimondo, the Dean of Students and a college vice-president helped distribute.

It&#039;s a shame but no surprising how poor CNM&#039;s critical thinking skills are. No doubt a testament to the first-rate education Oberlin provides to its students for hefty fees.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8220;Chronicle-Telegraph,&#8221; the local paper to Oberlin, ran an article on Oberlin&#8217;s loss. I read through much of the comment section. A student, CNM, responded and attempted to defend Oberlin students in a poor-mouth, poorly informed way. CNM was good enough to hang in and debate, but acquitted [reflexive pronoun here] poorly.</p>
<p><i>CNM: As a student, we deserve to be miserable. This will put financial strain on our school which is ALREADY in debt, and therefore make it more difficult for students to afford oberlin. Incoming students who werent even a part of this whole mess at that. Gibsons is not really struggling, they just make it seem like they are, and in reality it is frustrating that people do not seem to understand who Oberlin students really are, which is a wide variety of young people just trying to get a good education.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.chroniclet.com/Local-News/2019/06/07/Gibson-s-Bakery-v-Oberlin-College-More-than-11-million-awarded.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.chroniclet.com/Local-News/2019/06/07/Gibson-s-Bakery-v-Oberlin-College-More-than-11-million-awarded.html</a></i></p>
<p>Of course, Oberlin is not in debt, but is running a deficit, the lawsuit in no way hinges upon Oberlin&#8217;s financial state though the financial harm to Gibson is germane, and Gibson has been hit hard enough to lay off about a third of its employees. </p>
<p>Not to mention the outright, undocumented libel that Gibson was a &#8220;racist establishment with a history of racial profiling,&#8221; on a flyer, which Raimondo, the Dean of Students and a college vice-president helped distribute.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a shame but no surprising how poor CNM&#8217;s critical thinking skills are. No doubt a testament to the first-rate education Oberlin provides to its students for hefty fees.</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2019/06/07/gibsons-bakery-wins-lawsuit-against-oberlin/#comment-2438219</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[huxley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Jun 2019 16:03:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;“&lt;b&gt;Fuck him.&lt;/b&gt; I’d say &lt;b&gt;unleash the students&lt;/b&gt; if I wasn’t convinced this needs to be put behind us.”&lt;/i&gt;

That&#039;s my favorite bit. Oberlin may have lost the case on that alone.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>“<b>Fuck him.</b> I’d say <b>unleash the students</b> if I wasn’t convinced this needs to be put behind us.”</i></p>
<p>That&#8217;s my favorite bit. Oberlin may have lost the case on that alone.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2019/06/07/gibsons-bakery-wins-lawsuit-against-oberlin/#comment-2438183</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AesopFan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Jun 2019 04:42:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2019/06/accountability-for-oberlin.php
&lt;blockquote&gt;One Oberlin faculty member, a retired theater professor, was a voice of sanity. He wrote a letter to the editor of the local newspaper criticizing Oberlin’s handling of the anti-Gibson’s jihad, which prompted a text from the Dean of Students to the college’s Communications Director: “Fuck him. I’d say unleash the students if I wasn’t convinced this needs to be put behind us.” &lt;b&gt;It’s the kind of evidence trial lawyers love: it didn’t necessarily prove anything, but it lifted the lid on what horrible, arrogant people social justice warriors are.&lt;/b&gt;

In my view, the main significance of the jury’s verdict is that is shows how normal people react when they are exposed to today’s campus leftism. You cannot sell to a normal person the idea that it is “racism” for a store to catch a student stealing a bottle of wine, and call the police, merely on account of the student’s skin color. &lt;b&gt;Social justice warrior culture is insane, and is properly judged as such by normal people, who–luckily for them–tend not to encounter it often. &lt;/b&gt;The jury’s reaction to the demonization of Gibson’s bakery is, I think, a good indication of how most Americans will respond if, and when, they realize how depraved the Left has become.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
 Indeed.
My only quibble is that normal people &lt;em&gt;are &lt;/em&gt;encountering the insanity far too often now, through news reports if not personally, and are pushing back against it where they can.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2019/06/accountability-for-oberlin.php" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2019/06/accountability-for-oberlin.php</a></p>
<blockquote><p>One Oberlin faculty member, a retired theater professor, was a voice of sanity. He wrote a letter to the editor of the local newspaper criticizing Oberlin’s handling of the anti-Gibson’s jihad, which prompted a text from the Dean of Students to the college’s Communications Director: “Fuck him. I’d say unleash the students if I wasn’t convinced this needs to be put behind us.” <b>It’s the kind of evidence trial lawyers love: it didn’t necessarily prove anything, but it lifted the lid on what horrible, arrogant people social justice warriors are.</b></p>
<p>In my view, the main significance of the jury’s verdict is that is shows how normal people react when they are exposed to today’s campus leftism. You cannot sell to a normal person the idea that it is “racism” for a store to catch a student stealing a bottle of wine, and call the police, merely on account of the student’s skin color. <b>Social justice warrior culture is insane, and is properly judged as such by normal people, who–luckily for them–tend not to encounter it often. </b>The jury’s reaction to the demonization of Gibson’s bakery is, I think, a good indication of how most Americans will respond if, and when, they realize how depraved the Left has become.
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<p> Indeed.<br />
My only quibble is that normal people <em>are </em>encountering the insanity far too often now, through news reports if not personally, and are pushing back against it where they can.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AesopFan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Jun 2019 03:55:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;One old argument about doctors not policing their profession was that the doctor who was being policed would often sue.&quot; - Mike K

I always wondered why hospitals put up with incompetent physicians, rather than getting rid of them (and schools, teachers; etc.).
That particular wrinkle had not occurred to me.
Kind of sounds like the Caine Mutiny Courtmartial set-up.
Still, there ought to have been some clear criteria for termination that the &quot;policers&quot; could use in their defense.
On the other hand, some trial verdicts make you wonder if the jury is smoking something in the backroom.
Hooray for these Twelve again!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;One old argument about doctors not policing their profession was that the doctor who was being policed would often sue.&#8221; &#8211; Mike K</p>
<p>I always wondered why hospitals put up with incompetent physicians, rather than getting rid of them (and schools, teachers; etc.).<br />
That particular wrinkle had not occurred to me.<br />
Kind of sounds like the Caine Mutiny Courtmartial set-up.<br />
Still, there ought to have been some clear criteria for termination that the &#8220;policers&#8221; could use in their defense.<br />
On the other hand, some trial verdicts make you wonder if the jury is smoking something in the backroom.<br />
Hooray for these Twelve again!</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AesopFan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Jun 2019 02:58:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;“I am at a loss for words,” 64-year-old David Gibson told Legal Insurrection in an exclusive interview. “Two-and-a-half years of putting up with this has been very difficult and overwhelming. &lt;b&gt;I just want to let people know across the country that this can happen to anyone else,&lt;/b&gt; but we stayed and worked together as a family and fought against this. In many ways, what we wanted from Oberlin College the jury gave to us.  They said we were not racists and that the college should have said so when all this started.”

“I thank the jury for seeing what we have seen from the beginning of this,” he said

Owen Rarric, one of the lead attorneys for the Gibson’s, also pointed out that this case has national implications in this time of cultural debate.

&lt;b&gt;“The jury saw that Oberlin College went out of their way to harm a good family and longtime business in their community for no real reason, and the jury said we aren’t going to tolerate that in our community any more,”&lt;/b&gt; Rarric said. “The college kept saying we don’t control our students.&lt;b&gt; But the jury told them that we can tolerate some of this from time to time, but not what you did this time.”&lt;/b&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Cake bakers and florists take note.
I gather that the problem was not that the college doesn&#039;t control its students (who can?), but that they egged them on, with direct intervention by an officer of the university.
Yes, we can tolerate some degree of incivil and unjust behavior in our society, but no civilization can survive when that intolerance and persecution becomes the majority&#039;s pastime.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>“I am at a loss for words,” 64-year-old David Gibson told Legal Insurrection in an exclusive interview. “Two-and-a-half years of putting up with this has been very difficult and overwhelming. <b>I just want to let people know across the country that this can happen to anyone else,</b> but we stayed and worked together as a family and fought against this. In many ways, what we wanted from Oberlin College the jury gave to us.  They said we were not racists and that the college should have said so when all this started.”</p>
<p>“I thank the jury for seeing what we have seen from the beginning of this,” he said</p>
<p>Owen Rarric, one of the lead attorneys for the Gibson’s, also pointed out that this case has national implications in this time of cultural debate.</p>
<p><b>“The jury saw that Oberlin College went out of their way to harm a good family and longtime business in their community for no real reason, and the jury said we aren’t going to tolerate that in our community any more,”</b> Rarric said. “The college kept saying we don’t control our students.<b> But the jury told them that we can tolerate some of this from time to time, but not what you did this time.”</b>
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<p>Cake bakers and florists take note.<br />
I gather that the problem was not that the college doesn&#8217;t control its students (who can?), but that they egged them on, with direct intervention by an officer of the university.<br />
Yes, we can tolerate some degree of incivil and unjust behavior in our society, but no civilization can survive when that intolerance and persecution becomes the majority&#8217;s pastime.</p>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Jun 2019 02:49:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[FOAF on June 8, 2019 at 12:20 am said:
...A stunning and very welcome outcome. Hopefully this will help make come true Instapundit’s mantra, “Get woke, go broke”.
* * *
Someone needs to make a collection of The Wisdom of Instapundit.
As Mike said, we can hope this is the first robin of spring.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FOAF on June 8, 2019 at 12:20 am said:<br />
&#8230;A stunning and very welcome outcome. Hopefully this will help make come true Instapundit’s mantra, “Get woke, go broke”.<br />
* * *<br />
Someone needs to make a collection of The Wisdom of Instapundit.<br />
As Mike said, we can hope this is the first robin of spring.</p>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Jun 2019 20:42:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Re what Mac said above about the dean of students office in academia being &quot;frequently very openly and vigorously left-wing activist&quot;. That reminded me of just how bloated the number of administrative staff in educational institutions is now -- from a &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.forbes.com/sites/richardvedder/2018/05/10/kill-alll-the-administrators-not-really/#7d9947126210&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;piece&lt;/a&gt; in Forbes last year:&lt;blockquote&gt;The number of administrators at universities has exploded, growing much faster than the faculty. At a typical university, there are more administrators than faculty. The Office of the President of the University of California in recent years has had roughly 2,000 (!!) employees -- none of whom teach. The Texas Higher Education Coordinating Board, with 250 or so employees, is an administrative agency overseeing other administrative apparatuses at individual schools.

This writer compared the administrative staff at a typical state institution, Ohio University, 50 years ago and today. To be sure, enrollments rose perhaps 25%, but the staff growth has been multiples of that. In 1967, there was no provost, only a vice-president of academic affairs with perhaps two assistants. Today, there are over 20 administrators in the provost office, including a “chief information officer,” a “senior vice provost for instructional innovation,” an “associate provost for academic budget and planning,” a “vice provost for global affairs” (secretary of state?), a “chief of staff,” an “university ombudsperson,” a “vice provost for diversity and inclusion,” an “executive director for the office of equity and civil rights compliance,” and an “associate provost for institutional research and effectiveness.” None of these jobs existed 50 years ago. &lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re what Mac said above about the dean of students office in academia being &#8220;frequently very openly and vigorously left-wing activist&#8221;. That reminded me of just how bloated the number of administrative staff in educational institutions is now &#8212; from a <a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/richardvedder/2018/05/10/kill-alll-the-administrators-not-really/#7d9947126210" rel="nofollow">piece</a> in Forbes last year:</p>
<blockquote><p>The number of administrators at universities has exploded, growing much faster than the faculty. At a typical university, there are more administrators than faculty. The Office of the President of the University of California in recent years has had roughly 2,000 (!!) employees &#8212; none of whom teach. The Texas Higher Education Coordinating Board, with 250 or so employees, is an administrative agency overseeing other administrative apparatuses at individual schools.</p>
<p>This writer compared the administrative staff at a typical state institution, Ohio University, 50 years ago and today. To be sure, enrollments rose perhaps 25%, but the staff growth has been multiples of that. In 1967, there was no provost, only a vice-president of academic affairs with perhaps two assistants. Today, there are over 20 administrators in the provost office, including a “chief information officer,” a “senior vice provost for instructional innovation,” an “associate provost for academic budget and planning,” a “vice provost for global affairs” (secretary of state?), a “chief of staff,” an “university ombudsperson,” a “vice provost for diversity and inclusion,” an “executive director for the office of equity and civil rights compliance,” and an “associate provost for institutional research and effectiveness.” None of these jobs existed 50 years ago. </p></blockquote>
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