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		By: Richard Saunders		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Jun 2019 21:25:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[When I was growing up, every dad on my block had either served in the armed forces or worked in a defense plant, as had almost every male teacher in junior high and high school (there were many male teachers at those levels back then).  That had a tremendous impact on my life.  I don&#039;t think another generation will ever have that experience, and I think the behavior of the millennials shows it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I was growing up, every dad on my block had either served in the armed forces or worked in a defense plant, as had almost every male teacher in junior high and high school (there were many male teachers at those levels back then).  That had a tremendous impact on my life.  I don&#8217;t think another generation will ever have that experience, and I think the behavior of the millennials shows it.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2019/06/06/d-day-the-75th-anniversary/#comment-2437918</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Jun 2019 15:29:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[https://libertyunyielding.com/2019/06/06/75-years-from-d-day-gratitude-and-renewed-purpose/

&quot;I include his address also because Reagan’s characteristically uplifting, reassuring demeanor cues us to the good attitude we can aspire to in turmoil.  So much of the turmoil we may perceive around us is fomented and even faked.  It’s our choice whether to let it kill us, or renew in us the spirit of liberty and hope.&quot;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSX7X4ynWKs&#038;feature=youtu.be
Trump hails D-Day veterans as among the greatest Americans

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-06-06/churchill-ike-epic-human-tragedy-first-wave-omaha
includes a great anecdote (possibly apocryphal, but who cares?) and a link to the Atlantic article recommended at PowerLine

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1960/11/first-wave-at-omaha-beach/303365/

https://chicagoboyz.net/archives/59979.html
Sgt. Mom reminds us ...6 June 1944
&lt;blockquote&gt;So this is one of those historic dates that seems to be slipping faster and faster out of sight, receding into a past at such a rate that we who were born afterwards, or long afterwards, can just barely see. But it was such an enormous, monumental enterprise – so longed looked for, so carefully planned and involved so many soldiers, sailors and airmen – of course the memory would linger long afterwards.

Think of looking down from the air, at that great metal armada, spilling out from every harbor, every estuary along England’s coast. ...
Think of the planners and architects of this enormous undertaking, the briefers and the specialists in all sorts of arcane specialties, most of whom would never set foot on Gold, Juno, Sword, Omaha or Utah Beach. ...

Think of the people in country villages, and port towns, ...knowing for a certainty that those men, those ships and those planes were heading towards France, and also knowing just as surely that many of them would not return.

Think of the commanders, of Eisenhower and his subordinates, as the minutes ticked slowly down to H-Hour, considering all that was at stake, all the lives that they were putting into this grand effort, this gamble that Europe could be liberated through a force landing from the West. ...

Think on this day, and how the might of the Nazi Reich was cast down. ...Think on this while there are still those alive who remember it at first hand.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="https://libertyunyielding.com/2019/06/06/75-years-from-d-day-gratitude-and-renewed-purpose/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://libertyunyielding.com/2019/06/06/75-years-from-d-day-gratitude-and-renewed-purpose/</a></p>
<p>&#8220;I include his address also because Reagan’s characteristically uplifting, reassuring demeanor cues us to the good attitude we can aspire to in turmoil.  So much of the turmoil we may perceive around us is fomented and even faked.  It’s our choice whether to let it kill us, or renew in us the spirit of liberty and hope.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSX7X4ynWKs&#038;feature=youtu.be" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSX7X4ynWKs&#038;feature=youtu.be</a><br />
Trump hails D-Day veterans as among the greatest Americans</p>
<p><a href="https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-06-06/churchill-ike-epic-human-tragedy-first-wave-omaha" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-06-06/churchill-ike-epic-human-tragedy-first-wave-omaha</a><br />
includes a great anecdote (possibly apocryphal, but who cares?) and a link to the Atlantic article recommended at PowerLine</p>
<p><a href="https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1960/11/first-wave-at-omaha-beach/303365/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1960/11/first-wave-at-omaha-beach/303365/</a></p>
<p><a href="https://chicagoboyz.net/archives/59979.html" rel="nofollow ugc">https://chicagoboyz.net/archives/59979.html</a><br />
Sgt. Mom reminds us &#8230;6 June 1944</p>
<blockquote><p>So this is one of those historic dates that seems to be slipping faster and faster out of sight, receding into a past at such a rate that we who were born afterwards, or long afterwards, can just barely see. But it was such an enormous, monumental enterprise – so longed looked for, so carefully planned and involved so many soldiers, sailors and airmen – of course the memory would linger long afterwards.</p>
<p>Think of looking down from the air, at that great metal armada, spilling out from every harbor, every estuary along England’s coast. &#8230;<br />
Think of the planners and architects of this enormous undertaking, the briefers and the specialists in all sorts of arcane specialties, most of whom would never set foot on Gold, Juno, Sword, Omaha or Utah Beach. &#8230;</p>
<p>Think of the people in country villages, and port towns, &#8230;knowing for a certainty that those men, those ships and those planes were heading towards France, and also knowing just as surely that many of them would not return.</p>
<p>Think of the commanders, of Eisenhower and his subordinates, as the minutes ticked slowly down to H-Hour, considering all that was at stake, all the lives that they were putting into this grand effort, this gamble that Europe could be liberated through a force landing from the West. &#8230;</p>
<p>Think on this day, and how the might of the Nazi Reich was cast down. &#8230;Think on this while there are still those alive who remember it at first hand.
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		By: Tom Grey		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Jun 2019 09:29:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Heroes.  Willing to fight, and die, for their country, for their brothers in arms, for their families and ways of lives.
Willing to kill.

Could Hitler&#039;s bunker near Berlin really survive a early atomic bomb?  One of the alternative histories would be NOT to invade, but wait for a year to get an A bomb to kill Hitler, and maybe a few million Germans nearby.  But save the lives of the Americans who died instead.

Truman was so absolutely right to bomb Hiroshima and Nagasaki to end to war without invading Japan.

Those &quot;fighting for Democracy&quot; did not win WW II with respect to gaining a democratic Poland after the war.  Stalin was a bigger and worse tyrant, dictator, and megalomaniac than Hitler.  Life for normal Russians was far worse under Stalin, before, during, and mostly after the War, than for normal non-targeted Germans, even those not Nazis; tho Hitler the efficient monster murdered 6 million Jews, plus another 4 million Gypsies, priests, and others who opposed the Nazis.  

It was right to ally with the inefficient monster Stalin to stop Hitler.  But Stalin, our ally, was also a monster -- Western Civ was allied to a monster to stop another monster.  The lesser evil.  Reality often forces such a choice, and choosing the lesser evil is better.

&quot;Modern&quot; world geo-political history is hugely dominated by the results of WW II.  Even today.

D-Day should rightly be celebrated for saving &quot;Western&quot; Civ -- tho also creating the hate for war that animates so many pacifists who are too silly to understand that their freedom to be pacifist depends on Westerners willing to kill bad guys in order save their freedom.

The failure of Amnesty Int&#039;l and HRW to more fully condemn Chi-comms and the Islamists for their barbarism remains a note of hypocrisy that stains them.  &quot;Human Rights&quot; only exist in practice in the real world because of the real world actions of the USA.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heroes.  Willing to fight, and die, for their country, for their brothers in arms, for their families and ways of lives.<br />
Willing to kill.</p>
<p>Could Hitler&#8217;s bunker near Berlin really survive a early atomic bomb?  One of the alternative histories would be NOT to invade, but wait for a year to get an A bomb to kill Hitler, and maybe a few million Germans nearby.  But save the lives of the Americans who died instead.</p>
<p>Truman was so absolutely right to bomb Hiroshima and Nagasaki to end to war without invading Japan.</p>
<p>Those &#8220;fighting for Democracy&#8221; did not win WW II with respect to gaining a democratic Poland after the war.  Stalin was a bigger and worse tyrant, dictator, and megalomaniac than Hitler.  Life for normal Russians was far worse under Stalin, before, during, and mostly after the War, than for normal non-targeted Germans, even those not Nazis; tho Hitler the efficient monster murdered 6 million Jews, plus another 4 million Gypsies, priests, and others who opposed the Nazis.  </p>
<p>It was right to ally with the inefficient monster Stalin to stop Hitler.  But Stalin, our ally, was also a monster &#8212; Western Civ was allied to a monster to stop another monster.  The lesser evil.  Reality often forces such a choice, and choosing the lesser evil is better.</p>
<p>&#8220;Modern&#8221; world geo-political history is hugely dominated by the results of WW II.  Even today.</p>
<p>D-Day should rightly be celebrated for saving &#8220;Western&#8221; Civ &#8212; tho also creating the hate for war that animates so many pacifists who are too silly to understand that their freedom to be pacifist depends on Westerners willing to kill bad guys in order save their freedom.</p>
<p>The failure of Amnesty Int&#8217;l and HRW to more fully condemn Chi-comms and the Islamists for their barbarism remains a note of hypocrisy that stains them.  &#8220;Human Rights&#8221; only exist in practice in the real world because of the real world actions of the USA.</p>
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		By: SCOTTtheBADGER		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Jun 2019 04:54:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Let us not forget, that at the same time as OPERATION OVERLORD, the USN was running OPERATION FORAGER, the liberation of Guam, and the taking of the Marianas.   The 5th fleet set sail from Pearl on the 5th, to put 2 Marine and one Army divisions ashore, after sailing halfway across the Pacfic. 

The reaction of the Nihon Kaigun, the Japanese Fleet, resulted in the Great Marianas Turkey Shoot, where we sank the carriers  TAIHO, HIYO and SHOKAKU, and shot down over 400 Japanese aircraft. Another 250 planes were lost with the carriers, when they sank.

Taking the Marianas allowed us to turn Tinian into an airfield, that ENOLA GAY flew from.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let us not forget, that at the same time as OPERATION OVERLORD, the USN was running OPERATION FORAGER, the liberation of Guam, and the taking of the Marianas.   The 5th fleet set sail from Pearl on the 5th, to put 2 Marine and one Army divisions ashore, after sailing halfway across the Pacfic. </p>
<p>The reaction of the Nihon Kaigun, the Japanese Fleet, resulted in the Great Marianas Turkey Shoot, where we sank the carriers  TAIHO, HIYO and SHOKAKU, and shot down over 400 Japanese aircraft. Another 250 planes were lost with the carriers, when they sank.</p>
<p>Taking the Marianas allowed us to turn Tinian into an airfield, that ENOLA GAY flew from.</p>
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		By: Chris B		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Jun 2019 00:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I was struck by Eisenhower’s prepared statement accepting the blame if the invasion had failed.

Considering how President Obama seemed to go out of his way to claim credit for the Bin Laden mission- if it had instead been a disaster, which it easily could have been, does anyone think that in a similar fashion, Obama would have issued a statement accepting the blame?

A rhetorical question.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was struck by Eisenhower’s prepared statement accepting the blame if the invasion had failed.</p>
<p>Considering how President Obama seemed to go out of his way to claim credit for the Bin Laden mission- if it had instead been a disaster, which it easily could have been, does anyone think that in a similar fashion, Obama would have issued a statement accepting the blame?</p>
<p>A rhetorical question.</p>
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		By: charles		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Jun 2019 00:27:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[That Eisenhower had taken the time to write of note of failure tells us of the risk involved.

I remember my grandmother (born in 1903 and died in 1995) telling me how glued they all were to newspapers and radio throughout the war; but, especially as news of D-Day came through.  And that so many houses in her neighborhood had a gold star in the front window.

On another note, she told me that she was convinced that nearly half the &quot;beef&quot; that she bought during the war was actually horse meat.  Since she grew up on a farm I imagine that she would have known.

So, yep, that generation really truly gave a lot to us.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That Eisenhower had taken the time to write of note of failure tells us of the risk involved.</p>
<p>I remember my grandmother (born in 1903 and died in 1995) telling me how glued they all were to newspapers and radio throughout the war; but, especially as news of D-Day came through.  And that so many houses in her neighborhood had a gold star in the front window.</p>
<p>On another note, she told me that she was convinced that nearly half the &#8220;beef&#8221; that she bought during the war was actually horse meat.  Since she grew up on a farm I imagine that she would have known.</p>
<p>So, yep, that generation really truly gave a lot to us.</p>
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		By: OBloodyHell		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jun 2019 21:41:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This one is also of interest:


The Failed Chicken Farmer Who Won D-Day without Firing a Shot
https://intellectualtakeout.org/blog/d-days-greatest-hero-agent-garbo]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This one is also of interest:</p>
<p>The Failed Chicken Farmer Who Won D-Day without Firing a Shot<br />
<a href="https://intellectualtakeout.org/blog/d-days-greatest-hero-agent-garbo" rel="nofollow ugc">https://intellectualtakeout.org/blog/d-days-greatest-hero-agent-garbo</a></p>
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		By: OBloodyHell		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jun 2019 21:35:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt; a fact of which Human Rights Watch, Amnesty International, and others of that ilk, seem to be unaware.&lt;/i&gt;

No, they&#039;re aware of it. They just don&#039;t give a shit. They are PostModern Liberals. They want to tear down and destroy the West. They are a social cancer in the most literal sense of the term.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i> a fact of which Human Rights Watch, Amnesty International, and others of that ilk, seem to be unaware.</i></p>
<p>No, they&#8217;re aware of it. They just don&#8217;t give a shit. They are PostModern Liberals. They want to tear down and destroy the West. They are a social cancer in the most literal sense of the term.</p>
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		By: OBloodyHell		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jun 2019 21:33:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[You may find this interesting, in that it discusses one of the errors about the landings, using shipborn guns for fire coverage. Something the Canadians had but the Americans did not.

Before D-Day, There Was Dieppe
https://chicagoboyz.net/archives/59911.html]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You may find this interesting, in that it discusses one of the errors about the landings, using shipborn guns for fire coverage. Something the Canadians had but the Americans did not.</p>
<p>Before D-Day, There Was Dieppe<br />
<a href="https://chicagoboyz.net/archives/59911.html" rel="nofollow ugc">https://chicagoboyz.net/archives/59911.html</a></p>
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		By: Richard Saunders		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Saunders]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jun 2019 21:20:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I don’t want to minimize the deep sentiments expressed here and at the ceremonies – I’ve been to Normandy and felt them – but I noticed a couple of points in the newsreel of interest to military history buffs.

Notice at 0:46 - 0:58 the naval guns are horizontal; that is, in direct fire, shooting at targets they can see on the beach.  That’s close!

Also, at 2:36 - 2:56, the bombs are falling more or less indiscriminately on French towns.  Precision bombing for the U.S. Army Air Forces was defined as hitting within 1,000 feet of the target, but only 20% of bombs hit within that radius.  Although precision has improved by orders of magnitude, it remains true that if the enemy is located in civilian areas, some civilian casualties are inevitable – a fact of which Human Rights Watch, Amnesty International, and others of that ilk, seem to be unaware.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don’t want to minimize the deep sentiments expressed here and at the ceremonies – I’ve been to Normandy and felt them – but I noticed a couple of points in the newsreel of interest to military history buffs.</p>
<p>Notice at 0:46 &#8211; 0:58 the naval guns are horizontal; that is, in direct fire, shooting at targets they can see on the beach.  That’s close!</p>
<p>Also, at 2:36 &#8211; 2:56, the bombs are falling more or less indiscriminately on French towns.  Precision bombing for the U.S. Army Air Forces was defined as hitting within 1,000 feet of the target, but only 20% of bombs hit within that radius.  Although precision has improved by orders of magnitude, it remains true that if the enemy is located in civilian areas, some civilian casualties are inevitable – a fact of which Human Rights Watch, Amnesty International, and others of that ilk, seem to be unaware.</p>
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