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		By: Richard Saunders		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[As soon as you become a law professor, your brain is automatically disconnected from reality.]]></description>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Jun 2019 17:50:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Artfuldgr on June 4, 2019 at 12:48 pm said:
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soviet states require INTERNAL PASSPORTS…
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Thanks for the interesting information.
I was already familiar with the Real-ID Act because for a couple of years I had to arrange travel home for returning missionaries in our area, and part of that was making sure they had valid Driver&#039;s licenses or other ID.  We had a very exciting couple of days everytime one of the elders or sisters lost wallets or passports just before leaving.
Fortunately it didn&#039;t happen very often!

If you aren&#039;t familiar with the Act, non-compliant states are those who hand out licenses to non-citizens or non-legal-residents.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Artfuldgr on June 4, 2019 at 12:48 pm said:<br />
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soviet states require INTERNAL PASSPORTS…<br />
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Thanks for the interesting information.<br />
I was already familiar with the Real-ID Act because for a couple of years I had to arrange travel home for returning missionaries in our area, and part of that was making sure they had valid Driver&#8217;s licenses or other ID.  We had a very exciting couple of days everytime one of the elders or sisters lost wallets or passports just before leaving.<br />
Fortunately it didn&#8217;t happen very often!</p>
<p>If you aren&#8217;t familiar with the Act, non-compliant states are those who hand out licenses to non-citizens or non-legal-residents.</p>
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		By: Artfuldgr		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Jun 2019 16:48:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;only applied to keep the people of East Germany and out of the city of West Berlin, not the entire country of West Germany&lt;/i&gt;

not true.. 
not true at all... 
soviet states require INTERNAL PASSPORTS... 

&lt;b&gt;Currently, only the Russian Federation is known to still have internal passports as a part of their bureaucratic heritage, though it is no longer used to restrict the movement of people: a Russian internal passport is essentially an identification document in the form of a booklet. &lt;/b&gt;

Internal passports are known to have been issued and used previously by:

     Russian Empire and its successor states,
     France,
     Confederate States of America,
     United States (in slave states prior to the Civil War),
     Soviet Union (see Soviet Union internal passport),
     Ottoman Empire,
     South Africa, during apartheid,
     China,
     Iraq (until 2016, replaced by National Card), and
     Ukraine (until 2016, see Ukrainian internal passport)


Internal passports were required for African Americans in the southern slave states before the American Civil War, for example, an authenticated internal passport dated 1815 was presented to Massachusetts citizen George Barker to allow him to freely travel as a free black man to visit relatives in slave states


Real ID Act:
The Real ID Act of 2005, Pub.L. 109–13, 119 Stat. 302, enacted May 11, 2005, is an Act of Congress that modifies U.S. federal law pertaining to security, authentication, and issuance procedures standards for state driver&#039;s licenses and identity documents, as well as various immigration issues pertaining to terrorism. 

The Real ID Act implements the following:

    &lt;b&gt;Title II of the act establishes new federal standards for state-issued driver&#039;s licenses and non-driver identification cards.&lt;/b&gt;
    Changing visa limits for temporary workers, nurses, and Australian citizens.
    Funding some reports and pilot projects related to border security.
    Introducing rules covering &quot;delivery bonds&quot;
         (similar to bail, but for aliens who have been released pending hearings).
    Updating and tightening the laws on application for asylum and deportation of aliens for terrorism.
    &lt;b&gt;Waiving laws that interfere with construction of physical barriers at the borders.&lt;/b&gt;

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
On December 20, 2013, the Department of Homeland Security announced that implementation of &lt;b&gt;Phase 1 would begin on January 20, 2014&lt;/b&gt;, which followed a yearlong period of &quot;deferred enforcement&quot;. There are four planned phases, &lt;i&gt;three of which apply to areas that affect relatively few U.S. citizens&lt;/i&gt;—e.g., DHS headquarters, nuclear power plants, and restricted and semi-restricted federal facilities such as military bases
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
&lt;b&gt;On January 8, 2016, DHS issued an implementation schedule for Phase 4, stating that starting January 22, 2018 &quot;passengers with a driver&#039;s license issued by a state that is still not compliant with the REAL ID Act (and has not been granted an extension) will need to show an alternative form of acceptable identification for domestic air travel to board their flight&quot;.&lt;/b&gt;
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
&lt;b&gt;Starting October 1, 2020 &quot;every air traveler will need a REAL ID-compliant license, or another acceptable form of identification (such as an United States passport, United States passport card, U.S. military card, or DHS trusted traveler card, e.g. NEXUS, SENTRI, etc.) FOR DOMESTICA AIR TRAVEL.&quot;&lt;/b&gt;
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
As of May 2019, 49 states and territories have been certified as compliant, and 7 have been granted extensions]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>only applied to keep the people of East Germany and out of the city of West Berlin, not the entire country of West Germany</i></p>
<p>not true..<br />
not true at all&#8230;<br />
soviet states require INTERNAL PASSPORTS&#8230; </p>
<p><b>Currently, only the Russian Federation is known to still have internal passports as a part of their bureaucratic heritage, though it is no longer used to restrict the movement of people: a Russian internal passport is essentially an identification document in the form of a booklet. </b></p>
<p>Internal passports are known to have been issued and used previously by:</p>
<p>     Russian Empire and its successor states,<br />
     France,<br />
     Confederate States of America,<br />
     United States (in slave states prior to the Civil War),<br />
     Soviet Union (see Soviet Union internal passport),<br />
     Ottoman Empire,<br />
     South Africa, during apartheid,<br />
     China,<br />
     Iraq (until 2016, replaced by National Card), and<br />
     Ukraine (until 2016, see Ukrainian internal passport)</p>
<p>Internal passports were required for African Americans in the southern slave states before the American Civil War, for example, an authenticated internal passport dated 1815 was presented to Massachusetts citizen George Barker to allow him to freely travel as a free black man to visit relatives in slave states</p>
<p>Real ID Act:<br />
The Real ID Act of 2005, Pub.L. 109–13, 119 Stat. 302, enacted May 11, 2005, is an Act of Congress that modifies U.S. federal law pertaining to security, authentication, and issuance procedures standards for state driver&#8217;s licenses and identity documents, as well as various immigration issues pertaining to terrorism. </p>
<p>The Real ID Act implements the following:</p>
<p>    <b>Title II of the act establishes new federal standards for state-issued driver&#8217;s licenses and non-driver identification cards.</b><br />
    Changing visa limits for temporary workers, nurses, and Australian citizens.<br />
    Funding some reports and pilot projects related to border security.<br />
    Introducing rules covering &#8220;delivery bonds&#8221;<br />
         (similar to bail, but for aliens who have been released pending hearings).<br />
    Updating and tightening the laws on application for asylum and deportation of aliens for terrorism.<br />
    <b>Waiving laws that interfere with construction of physical barriers at the borders.</b></p>
<p>-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-<br />
On December 20, 2013, the Department of Homeland Security announced that implementation of <b>Phase 1 would begin on January 20, 2014</b>, which followed a yearlong period of &#8220;deferred enforcement&#8221;. There are four planned phases, <i>three of which apply to areas that affect relatively few U.S. citizens</i>—e.g., DHS headquarters, nuclear power plants, and restricted and semi-restricted federal facilities such as military bases<br />
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-<br />
<b>On January 8, 2016, DHS issued an implementation schedule for Phase 4, stating that starting January 22, 2018 &#8220;passengers with a driver&#8217;s license issued by a state that is still not compliant with the REAL ID Act (and has not been granted an extension) will need to show an alternative form of acceptable identification for domestic air travel to board their flight&#8221;.</b><br />
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-<br />
<b>Starting October 1, 2020 &#8220;every air traveler will need a REAL ID-compliant license, or another acceptable form of identification (such as an United States passport, United States passport card, U.S. military card, or DHS trusted traveler card, e.g. NEXUS, SENTRI, etc.) FOR DOMESTICA AIR TRAVEL.&#8221;</b><br />
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-<br />
As of May 2019, 49 states and territories have been certified as compliant, and 7 have been granted extensions</p>
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		By: Artfuldgr		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Jun 2019 16:37:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[They were not allowed to go to huge chunks of the rest of the world

that would be nice as that implies they could move internally, which they also could not... 

which is why Marcus Wolfe was tagged along with a KGB officer to make our internal passports for our new travels... like now, where you need passport to travel internally in the US or a new ID...   
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stasi  

The GDR had the highest concentration of allotments and dachas in the world
One in 90 East Germans worked unofficially for the secret police
Berlin wasn’t the only place split by a concrete wall
&lt;b&gt;You could easily wait 15 years for the opportunity to buy a car&lt;/b&gt;
Behind in many things, the GDR led on recycling
Communist brands are still available in your local store!
GDR mums donated 200,000 litres of breast milk to milk banks in 1989
&lt;b&gt;The state introduced quotas and financial support to get women to work&lt;/b&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They were not allowed to go to huge chunks of the rest of the world</p>
<p>that would be nice as that implies they could move internally, which they also could not&#8230; </p>
<p>which is why Marcus Wolfe was tagged along with a KGB officer to make our internal passports for our new travels&#8230; like now, where you need passport to travel internally in the US or a new ID&#8230;<br />
<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stasi" rel="nofollow ugc">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stasi</a>  </p>
<p>The GDR had the highest concentration of allotments and dachas in the world<br />
One in 90 East Germans worked unofficially for the secret police<br />
Berlin wasn’t the only place split by a concrete wall<br />
<b>You could easily wait 15 years for the opportunity to buy a car</b><br />
Behind in many things, the GDR led on recycling<br />
Communist brands are still available in your local store!<br />
GDR mums donated 200,000 litres of breast milk to milk banks in 1989<br />
<b>The state introduced quotas and financial support to get women to work</b></p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Jun 2019 12:05:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;I have mild libertarian impulses myself. But many libertarians are way beyond the pale, and it’s interesting to see them twist themselves into pretzels in the attempt to make their arguments.

At least, I find it so.&lt;/b&gt;

Pretty much all of humanity is beyond the pale compared to my standards. In some part of their life or subject matter, they will twist themselves into pretzels to preserve their ego and identification (filters) in order to sustain their conclusions with modified facts.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>I have mild libertarian impulses myself. But many libertarians are way beyond the pale, and it’s interesting to see them twist themselves into pretzels in the attempt to make their arguments.</p>
<p>At least, I find it so.</b></p>
<p>Pretty much all of humanity is beyond the pale compared to my standards. In some part of their life or subject matter, they will twist themselves into pretzels to preserve their ego and identification (filters) in order to sustain their conclusions with modified facts.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Jun 2019 07:14:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Roy Nathanson on June 4, 2019 at 2:40 am said:
AesopFan,

I am glad your friends got their citizenship, but I am frustrated to hear that when I have not been able to get an answer on residency for my wife after nearly a year!
* * *
I hope you will get answers soon, but who knows what is going on in the offices of the Immigration Service?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Roy Nathanson on June 4, 2019 at 2:40 am said:<br />
AesopFan,</p>
<p>I am glad your friends got their citizenship, but I am frustrated to hear that when I have not been able to get an answer on residency for my wife after nearly a year!<br />
* * *<br />
I hope you will get answers soon, but who knows what is going on in the offices of the Immigration Service?</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Jun 2019 06:44:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[That PowerLine story about the illegals from central Africa raised a lot of questions for me.  How did they get from that far away, across an ocean, to try to cross our border illegally?  It is almost impossible they just &quot;happened&quot; to do it on their own, someone had to be not only helping them but in all likelihood planning and organizing the whole thing]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That PowerLine story about the illegals from central Africa raised a lot of questions for me.  How did they get from that far away, across an ocean, to try to cross our border illegally?  It is almost impossible they just &#8220;happened&#8221; to do it on their own, someone had to be not only helping them but in all likelihood planning and organizing the whole thing</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Jun 2019 06:40:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[AesopFan,

I am glad your friends got their citizenship, but I am frustrated to hear that when I have not been able to get an answer on residency for my wife after nearly a year!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AesopFan,</p>
<p>I am glad your friends got their citizenship, but I am frustrated to hear that when I have not been able to get an answer on residency for my wife after nearly a year!</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Jun 2019 05:56:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2019/06/crossing-the-border.php

&quot; The Daily Mail quotes this White House tweet: “Last night, U.S. Border Patrol agents apprehended more than 100 illegal aliens from Congo, Angola, and Cameroon near the U.S.–Mexico border.” This proposition has the added advantage of truth: “Our southern border is now a magnet for illegal immigration from all over the world. It’s time for Democrats to help close the loopholes!”

There is a back story here. &lt;b&gt;How did these folks get to Mexico and why didn’t they seek refuge or lawful entry to the United States from there?&quot;&lt;/b&gt;

Good questions.
Couldn&#039;t be because they didn&#039;t meet any qualifications for lawful entry, could it?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2019/06/crossing-the-border.php" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2019/06/crossing-the-border.php</a></p>
<p>&#8221; The Daily Mail quotes this White House tweet: “Last night, U.S. Border Patrol agents apprehended more than 100 illegal aliens from Congo, Angola, and Cameroon near the U.S.–Mexico border.” This proposition has the added advantage of truth: “Our southern border is now a magnet for illegal immigration from all over the world. It’s time for Democrats to help close the loopholes!”</p>
<p>There is a back story here. <b>How did these folks get to Mexico and why didn’t they seek refuge or lawful entry to the United States from there?&#8221;</b></p>
<p>Good questions.<br />
Couldn&#8217;t be because they didn&#8217;t meet any qualifications for lawful entry, could it?</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;we only require that they have permission to enter, which visitors, legal immigrants, and resident aliens do;&quot; - Julie

Just got the news last week that one of our friends from Liberia - a LEGAL immigrant, who works as a truck driver to support his family - qualified for citizenship.  His wife - a LEGAL immigrant, who works as a care giver in a local nursing home - is still waiting for final approval.

Her brother and his wife - both LEGAL immigrants, working full-time - are hoping to apply soon.

All four of them are the kind of people we want to have immigrating to America, and what Mexico and Central / South America are doing by facilitiating the invasion of ILLEGAL immigrants makes it more difficult for people like them to come here LEGALLY.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;we only require that they have permission to enter, which visitors, legal immigrants, and resident aliens do;&#8221; &#8211; Julie</p>
<p>Just got the news last week that one of our friends from Liberia &#8211; a LEGAL immigrant, who works as a truck driver to support his family &#8211; qualified for citizenship.  His wife &#8211; a LEGAL immigrant, who works as a care giver in a local nursing home &#8211; is still waiting for final approval.</p>
<p>Her brother and his wife &#8211; both LEGAL immigrants, working full-time &#8211; are hoping to apply soon.</p>
<p>All four of them are the kind of people we want to have immigrating to America, and what Mexico and Central / South America are doing by facilitiating the invasion of ILLEGAL immigrants makes it more difficult for people like them to come here LEGALLY.</p>
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