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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Jun 2019 22:45:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Manju on June 1, 2019 at 5:48 am said:
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You read the one that shows the Trump campaign knew more about Russian interference than anyone else. You read the one that shows they knew about it before almost anyone. You read the one that says they welcomed the help, particularly in regards to Wikileaks…a Taliban supporting organization that Trump says he loves.

And yet the whole time they denied it. They denied that Russia was behind the hack. They said Putin supported Hillary, knowing damn well that Trump was the Useful Idiot Putin desired.

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https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/columnists/byron-york-retrospective-mueller-and-the-fatal-flaw-of-the-trump-russia-affair

&quot;The collusion narrative became so entrenched in the minds of some commentators that even when the Mueller report was made public, &lt;b&gt;with its repeated statements that &quot;the investigation did not establish that the [Trump] campaign coordinated or conspired with the Russian government in its election-interference activities,&quot;&lt;/b&gt; some simply would not accept the verdict.&quot;

That &quot;some&quot; apparently includes Manju.
If Mueller had thought that the things Manju listed meant Trump had conspired with the Russians, wouldn&#039;t he have said so?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Manju on June 1, 2019 at 5:48 am said:<br />
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You read the one that shows the Trump campaign knew more about Russian interference than anyone else. You read the one that shows they knew about it before almost anyone. You read the one that says they welcomed the help, particularly in regards to Wikileaks…a Taliban supporting organization that Trump says he loves.</p>
<p>And yet the whole time they denied it. They denied that Russia was behind the hack. They said Putin supported Hillary, knowing damn well that Trump was the Useful Idiot Putin desired.</p>
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<p><a href="https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/columnists/byron-york-retrospective-mueller-and-the-fatal-flaw-of-the-trump-russia-affair" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/columnists/byron-york-retrospective-mueller-and-the-fatal-flaw-of-the-trump-russia-affair</a></p>
<p>&#8220;The collusion narrative became so entrenched in the minds of some commentators that even when the Mueller report was made public, <b>with its repeated statements that &#8220;the investigation did not establish that the [Trump] campaign coordinated or conspired with the Russian government in its election-interference activities,&#8221;</b> some simply would not accept the verdict.&#8221;</p>
<p>That &#8220;some&#8221; apparently includes Manju.<br />
If Mueller had thought that the things Manju listed meant Trump had conspired with the Russians, wouldn&#8217;t he have said so?</p>
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		By: om		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Jun 2019 14:17:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[What does Manju know and when did he know it?  He still hasn&#039;t admitted that he/she/they were interviewed by Mueller. ;) If only Mueller had told all in his encore performance last week.

We will have to wait for the crickets to tell us all that Manju &quot;knows.&quot;  They may confirm all that Yammer &quot;knows&quot; too.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What does Manju know and when did he know it?  He still hasn&#8217;t admitted that he/she/they were interviewed by Mueller. 😉 If only Mueller had told all in his encore performance last week.</p>
<p>We will have to wait for the crickets to tell us all that Manju &#8220;knows.&#8221;  They may confirm all that Yammer &#8220;knows&#8221; too.</p>
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		By: Manju		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Manju]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Jun 2019 09:48:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Oh please manju, you haven’t read 400 plus pages of the Mueller report...BTW, I read 200 plus pages of the report, and stopped when it became obvious it was a snow job.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Well Parker, if you think it&#039;s a &quot;snow job&quot; then it sounds like you read the same report I did.

You read the one that shows the Trump campaign knew more about Russian interference than anyone else. You read the one that shows they knew about it before almost anyone. You read the one that says they welcomed the help, particularly in regards to Wikileaks...a Taliban supporting organization that Trump says he loves.

And yet the whole time they denied it. They denied that Russia was behind the hack. They said Putin supported Hillary, knowing damn well that Trump was the Useful Idiot Putin desired.

I&#039;m taking issue with the idea that Mueller was forced to admit that Trump and his aides had nothing to do with he Russian effort.

You appear to know that this is not true. Presumably this forms the basis of your &quot;snow job&quot; accusation.

I don&#039;t agree but I&#039;m not here to dissuade you of that notion. On the more fundamental issue of what the report says, I&#039;m just glad we found common ground.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Oh please manju, you haven’t read 400 plus pages of the Mueller report&#8230;BTW, I read 200 plus pages of the report, and stopped when it became obvious it was a snow job.</p></blockquote>
<p>Well Parker, if you think it&#8217;s a &#8220;snow job&#8221; then it sounds like you read the same report I did.</p>
<p>You read the one that shows the Trump campaign knew more about Russian interference than anyone else. You read the one that shows they knew about it before almost anyone. You read the one that says they welcomed the help, particularly in regards to Wikileaks&#8230;a Taliban supporting organization that Trump says he loves.</p>
<p>And yet the whole time they denied it. They denied that Russia was behind the hack. They said Putin supported Hillary, knowing damn well that Trump was the Useful Idiot Putin desired.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m taking issue with the idea that Mueller was forced to admit that Trump and his aides had nothing to do with he Russian effort.</p>
<p>You appear to know that this is not true. Presumably this forms the basis of your &#8220;snow job&#8221; accusation.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t agree but I&#8217;m not here to dissuade you of that notion. On the more fundamental issue of what the report says, I&#8217;m just glad we found common ground.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AesopFan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Jun 2019 03:15:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Commenter at the LI post almost gets it right, so I fixed it -- never going to happen, though.

LeftWingLock &#124; May 30, 2019 at 4:47 pm
We need to appoint a Special Counsel NOW to see if &lt;strike&gt;Trump &lt;/strike&gt; &lt;em&gt;Dem nominee for President &lt;/em&gt;was working with Iran. Under the new rules, &lt;strike&gt;Trump &lt;/strike&gt;&lt;em&gt;Dem nominee for President &lt;/em&gt;must PROVE he didn’t do anything to be declared innocent.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Commenter at the LI post almost gets it right, so I fixed it &#8212; never going to happen, though.</p>
<p>LeftWingLock | May 30, 2019 at 4:47 pm<br />
We need to appoint a Special Counsel NOW to see if <strike>Trump </strike> <em>Dem nominee for President </em>was working with Iran. Under the new rules, <strike>Trump </strike><em>Dem nominee for President </em>must PROVE he didn’t do anything to be declared innocent.</p>
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		By: ymarsakar		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ymarsakar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Jun 2019 01:47:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;I find that Art dumps a LOT of information that is not in the general blogosphere, but it is frustrating that he doesn’t include links for attribution or search clues for research.&lt;/b&gt;

Most of the stuff he quotes or links from, I already know about now. It&#039;s not that important if you know where to go for sources.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>I find that Art dumps a LOT of information that is not in the general blogosphere, but it is frustrating that he doesn’t include links for attribution or search clues for research.</b></p>
<p>Most of the stuff he quotes or links from, I already know about now. It&#8217;s not that important if you know where to go for sources.</p>
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		By: ymarsakar		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ymarsakar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Jun 2019 01:46:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;Basic commercial psychology, which I learned from my father while working at his Five &#038; Dime in the sixties: people only look at the first digit. That’s why all your store prices are 9.95, 19.99, and so forth. Yes, people really are that stupid.&lt;/b&gt;

That&#039;s... even lower a standard than I had for humanity. Hah. I knew why the prices were like that, but it shouldn&#039;t have worked like that.

Also why people shut down when I start talking about Newton&#039;s Three body problem in calculus. Flies right over em.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Basic commercial psychology, which I learned from my father while working at his Five &amp; Dime in the sixties: people only look at the first digit. That’s why all your store prices are 9.95, 19.99, and so forth. Yes, people really are that stupid.</b></p>
<p>That&#8217;s&#8230; even lower a standard than I had for humanity. Hah. I knew why the prices were like that, but it shouldn&#8217;t have worked like that.</p>
<p>Also why people shut down when I start talking about Newton&#8217;s Three body problem in calculus. Flies right over em.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AesopFan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Jun 2019 00:39:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[F on May 30, 2019 at 11:36 pm said:
Artfldgr: How long before you stop telling us we didn’t listen to you, we didn’t pay attention, that we didn’t want to “delve into this stuff”? Have faith, man — those of us who can wade through your posts are paying attention. Suggestion: succinct. Look it up.
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Art actually does get off some succinct zingers from time to time, but you are never going to get him to stop the core dumps: that&#039;s what he does.
&quot;You&quot; is mostly rhetorical, I think, because, as Neo has pointed out, she can&#039;t respond to everything everyone writes, and certainly doesn&#039;t have to: she does what she does, and is not purporting to be an encyclopedic resourse.

I find that Art dumps a LOT of information that is not in the general blogosphere, but it is frustrating that he doesn&#039;t include links for attribution or search clues for research.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>F on May 30, 2019 at 11:36 pm said:<br />
Artfldgr: How long before you stop telling us we didn’t listen to you, we didn’t pay attention, that we didn’t want to “delve into this stuff”? Have faith, man — those of us who can wade through your posts are paying attention. Suggestion: succinct. Look it up.<br />
* * *<br />
Art actually does get off some succinct zingers from time to time, but you are never going to get him to stop the core dumps: that&#8217;s what he does.<br />
&#8220;You&#8221; is mostly rhetorical, I think, because, as Neo has pointed out, she can&#8217;t respond to everything everyone writes, and certainly doesn&#8217;t have to: she does what she does, and is not purporting to be an encyclopedic resourse.</p>
<p>I find that Art dumps a LOT of information that is not in the general blogosphere, but it is frustrating that he doesn&#8217;t include links for attribution or search clues for research.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AesopFan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Jun 2019 00:35:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;I recall a friend had his house on the market for at least a couple months at $300K even. His realtor told him, relist it at $299K. It sold in a couple days.&quot; - TommyJay

Basic commercial psychology, which I learned from my father while working at his Five &#038; Dime in the sixties: people only look at the first digit.  That&#039;s why all your store prices are 9.95, 19.99, and so forth.  Yes, people really are that stupid.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I recall a friend had his house on the market for at least a couple months at $300K even. His realtor told him, relist it at $299K. It sold in a couple days.&#8221; &#8211; TommyJay</p>
<p>Basic commercial psychology, which I learned from my father while working at his Five &amp; Dime in the sixties: people only look at the first digit.  That&#8217;s why all your store prices are 9.95, 19.99, and so forth.  Yes, people really are that stupid.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Jun 2019 00:34:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[in re comments by Bill &#038; TommyJay:
How would anyone know which foreign efforts affected a particular election, and how, unless they could find an election in which NO foreign influence was attempted for comparison?

Which is basically reiterating that countries interfere in each others elections all the time, and we will never fully know the extent and affect.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>in re comments by Bill &amp; TommyJay:<br />
How would anyone know which foreign efforts affected a particular election, and how, unless they could find an election in which NO foreign influence was attempted for comparison?</p>
<p>Which is basically reiterating that countries interfere in each others elections all the time, and we will never fully know the extent and affect.</p>
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		By: Bill Rudersdorf		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bill Rudersdorf]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 May 2019 18:18:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[During the 2004 campaign, The Guardian ran a publicized volunteer-staffed telephone campaign to one “borderline democrat” county in Ohio to help keep the terrible GH Bush from being re-elected. The county went Republican. It helped insure Ohio went Bush. Go Guardian!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>During the 2004 campaign, The Guardian ran a publicized volunteer-staffed telephone campaign to one “borderline democrat” county in Ohio to help keep the terrible GH Bush from being re-elected. The county went Republican. It helped insure Ohio went Bush. Go Guardian!</p>
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