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		By: Rick Gutleber		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Apr 2019 16:22:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&#062; Somewhere around 70% of the bureaucrats need to seek jobs at Wallmart, Starbucks, or the local mall.

Not relevant to this conversation, but everyone should work retail at some point in their lives.  I think it would give a lot of people some perspective because you have to deal with random people, as well as people skills.    Even though I&#039;m a software developer, I value the completely non-technical experience I had working retail back in high school.  That experience helps keep you grounded.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; Somewhere around 70% of the bureaucrats need to seek jobs at Wallmart, Starbucks, or the local mall.</p>
<p>Not relevant to this conversation, but everyone should work retail at some point in their lives.  I think it would give a lot of people some perspective because you have to deal with random people, as well as people skills.    Even though I&#8217;m a software developer, I value the completely non-technical experience I had working retail back in high school.  That experience helps keep you grounded.</p>
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		By: ymarsakar		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Apr 2019 07:25:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;As I’ve written here before, the President—any President and the limited number of appointees allowed to any President—at the head of and supposedly “running” these Executive branch Departments and Agencies, can order something done, but the millions of federal bureaucrats below them, tasked with actually implementing those orders, can simply ignore them, slow roll them, water them down, deliberately misinterpret them, implement some parts of them and not others—the obstructive techniques are many—in other words “Resist” them.&lt;/b&gt;

They are not resisting. They are waiting your elected officials out. Because the bureaucracy is the Power that rules the Empire and Superpower of America. Not your elected officials. keep that in mind, Dead American Republic.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>As I’ve written here before, the President—any President and the limited number of appointees allowed to any President—at the head of and supposedly “running” these Executive branch Departments and Agencies, can order something done, but the millions of federal bureaucrats below them, tasked with actually implementing those orders, can simply ignore them, slow roll them, water them down, deliberately misinterpret them, implement some parts of them and not others—the obstructive techniques are many—in other words “Resist” them.</b></p>
<p>They are not resisting. They are waiting your elected officials out. Because the bureaucracy is the Power that rules the Empire and Superpower of America. Not your elected officials. keep that in mind, Dead American Republic.</p>
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		By: Steve57		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Apr 2019 03:16:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[No, LeClerc. Now isn&#039;t the time to fight. By that I mean there is never a time to stop fighting. And I mean physically brawling. Never give up the ship, as John Paul Jones would put it and no matter how furiously the gender confused grads at Google scribble to rewrite history would have it.

BTW, you have a fine Main Battle Tank named after you, monsieur, 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCgmW8jmUpw]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, LeClerc. Now isn&#8217;t the time to fight. By that I mean there is never a time to stop fighting. And I mean physically brawling. Never give up the ship, as John Paul Jones would put it and no matter how furiously the gender confused grads at Google scribble to rewrite history would have it.</p>
<p>BTW, you have a fine Main Battle Tank named after you, monsieur, </p>
<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCgmW8jmUpw" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCgmW8jmUpw</a></p>
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		By: Artfldgr		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Apr 2019 16:26:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[President Donald Trump fired acting Attorney General Sally Yates Monday night for “refusing to enforce a legal order designed to protect the citizens of the United States,” the White House said.

    “(Yates) has betrayed the Department of Justice,” the White House statement said.

    Dana Boente, US attorney for the Eastern District of Virginia, was sworn in at 9 p.m. ET, per an administration official. A few hours later, Boente issued a statement rescinding Yates’ order, instructing DOJ lawyers to “defend the lawful orders of our President.”

    Trump didn’t call Yates to dismiss her, she was informed by hand-delivered letter, according to a different administration official.

    &lt;b&gt;The dramatic move came soon after CNN reported Yates told Justice Department lawyers not to make legal arguments defending Trump’s executive order on immigration and refugees.

The Supreme Court would later uphold the order.&lt;/b&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>President Donald Trump fired acting Attorney General Sally Yates Monday night for “refusing to enforce a legal order designed to protect the citizens of the United States,” the White House said.</p>
<p>    “(Yates) has betrayed the Department of Justice,” the White House statement said.</p>
<p>    Dana Boente, US attorney for the Eastern District of Virginia, was sworn in at 9 p.m. ET, per an administration official. A few hours later, Boente issued a statement rescinding Yates’ order, instructing DOJ lawyers to “defend the lawful orders of our President.”</p>
<p>    Trump didn’t call Yates to dismiss her, she was informed by hand-delivered letter, according to a different administration official.</p>
<p>    <b>The dramatic move came soon after CNN reported Yates told Justice Department lawyers not to make legal arguments defending Trump’s executive order on immigration and refugees.</p>
<p>The Supreme Court would later uphold the order.</b></p>
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		By: Snow on Pine		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Apr 2019 13:58:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Very occasionally and rarely peeking through, here and there, throughout the reporting on this coup attempt is the information that our supposed &quot;Allies&quot;-- I&#039;ve seen England specifically mentioned--played a role in furthering coup efforts. 

According to reports, when coup members were prevented by law and procedure from spying on, from obtaining certain intelligence information on U.S. citizens—on Trump and on many others, coup members then circumvented these prohibitions by going to foreign members of the &quot;Five Eyes” intelligence sharing Agreement—they are the U.K., Canada, Australia, and New Zealand--and got intelligence, likely SIGINT intelligence—intercepted phone and other electronic communication intelligence—on U.S. citizen Trump and other U.S. citizens from one or more of these Five Eyes members, whose laws allow, and who could and do surveil U.S. citizens.*  

I don’t have to point out that these foreign Five Eyes country’s governments and policies are far more Leftist/Liberal than those of Trump, and that officials/governments in these Five Eyes countries would have been, and were, “uneasy” about Trump and his policies, and likely loathe both. 

Thus, no matter how “irregular” and normally out of bounds the request, they might conceivably have been receptive to such coup plotter’s requests for intelligence information on candidate, then President-elect, and finally President Trump, on his family, and on people in his Administration.

I have also seen one report that some of our “Allies” were urging Trump not to declassify certain of the coup documents.  Documents which--if released--would presumably point to their involvement in the coup.

If I were Trump, and I found out that any Five Eyes members were involved in furnishing intelligence information to coup plotters, Ambassadors would be called in and a strip of hide torn off each one, with harsh and more painful---perhaps far harsher and more painful--consequences to come.  

For one thing, I might narrow down the information that the U.S. shares with Five Eye members, and the Five Eyes Agreement would have to be rewritten—drastically changed—and iron-clad guarantees against this happening again would have to be put into place.  I might also demand the certain foreign intelligence officials resign to “spend more time with their families.” 

In this context, I note the reports about the mysterious, unexpected, and abrupt late January 2017 resignation of the head of the the UK’s Signals Intelligence organization, their GCHQ, Robert Hannigan, for “personal reasons” and apparently to “spend more time with his family.” 

A major problem for Trump is, of course, that from the evidence--he cannot trust many parts/officials of the Left leaning Executive branch he nominally is in charge of and “commands” to follow his legitimate orders.  

For example, in discussing the resignation/firing of the DHS Secretary last night on Tucker&#039;s show, Kris Khobach said that he had been in the room with DHS officials when Trump told them what he wanted them to do, and while they gave lip service to, and agreed to follow his orders, a year later nothing that he ordered them to do had been done.   

It appears that a lot of, perhaps a majority of the Executive branch is part of the &quot;Resistance.&quot; 

As I&#039;ve written here before, the President—any President and the limited number of appointees allowed to any President—at the head of and supposedly &quot;running&quot; these Executive branch Departments and Agencies, can order something done, but the millions of federal bureaucrats below them, tasked with actually implementing those orders, can simply ignore them, slow roll them, water them down, deliberately misinterpret them, implement some parts of them and not others—the obstructive techniques are many—in other words &quot;Resist&quot; them.   

*  See, for instance  https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-03-30/trump-may-be-right-five-eyes-allies-do-spy-one-another

See also  https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2017/03/14/judge-napolitano-three-intel-sources-say-obama-looked-to-brit-agency-to-spy-on-trump/

See also   https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/89117970/donald-trumps-unpredictability-may-test-five-eyes-spy-allies-including-nz

See also   https://www.internationalaffairs.org.au/australianoutlook/five-eyes-concern/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very occasionally and rarely peeking through, here and there, throughout the reporting on this coup attempt is the information that our supposed &#8220;Allies&#8221;&#8211; I&#8217;ve seen England specifically mentioned&#8211;played a role in furthering coup efforts. </p>
<p>According to reports, when coup members were prevented by law and procedure from spying on, from obtaining certain intelligence information on U.S. citizens—on Trump and on many others, coup members then circumvented these prohibitions by going to foreign members of the &#8220;Five Eyes” intelligence sharing Agreement—they are the U.K., Canada, Australia, and New Zealand&#8211;and got intelligence, likely SIGINT intelligence—intercepted phone and other electronic communication intelligence—on U.S. citizen Trump and other U.S. citizens from one or more of these Five Eyes members, whose laws allow, and who could and do surveil U.S. citizens.*  </p>
<p>I don’t have to point out that these foreign Five Eyes country’s governments and policies are far more Leftist/Liberal than those of Trump, and that officials/governments in these Five Eyes countries would have been, and were, “uneasy” about Trump and his policies, and likely loathe both. </p>
<p>Thus, no matter how “irregular” and normally out of bounds the request, they might conceivably have been receptive to such coup plotter’s requests for intelligence information on candidate, then President-elect, and finally President Trump, on his family, and on people in his Administration.</p>
<p>I have also seen one report that some of our “Allies” were urging Trump not to declassify certain of the coup documents.  Documents which&#8211;if released&#8211;would presumably point to their involvement in the coup.</p>
<p>If I were Trump, and I found out that any Five Eyes members were involved in furnishing intelligence information to coup plotters, Ambassadors would be called in and a strip of hide torn off each one, with harsh and more painful&#8212;perhaps far harsher and more painful&#8211;consequences to come.  </p>
<p>For one thing, I might narrow down the information that the U.S. shares with Five Eye members, and the Five Eyes Agreement would have to be rewritten—drastically changed—and iron-clad guarantees against this happening again would have to be put into place.  I might also demand the certain foreign intelligence officials resign to “spend more time with their families.” </p>
<p>In this context, I note the reports about the mysterious, unexpected, and abrupt late January 2017 resignation of the head of the the UK’s Signals Intelligence organization, their GCHQ, Robert Hannigan, for “personal reasons” and apparently to “spend more time with his family.” </p>
<p>A major problem for Trump is, of course, that from the evidence&#8211;he cannot trust many parts/officials of the Left leaning Executive branch he nominally is in charge of and “commands” to follow his legitimate orders.  </p>
<p>For example, in discussing the resignation/firing of the DHS Secretary last night on Tucker&#8217;s show, Kris Khobach said that he had been in the room with DHS officials when Trump told them what he wanted them to do, and while they gave lip service to, and agreed to follow his orders, a year later nothing that he ordered them to do had been done.   </p>
<p>It appears that a lot of, perhaps a majority of the Executive branch is part of the &#8220;Resistance.&#8221; </p>
<p>As I&#8217;ve written here before, the President—any President and the limited number of appointees allowed to any President—at the head of and supposedly &#8220;running&#8221; these Executive branch Departments and Agencies, can order something done, but the millions of federal bureaucrats below them, tasked with actually implementing those orders, can simply ignore them, slow roll them, water them down, deliberately misinterpret them, implement some parts of them and not others—the obstructive techniques are many—in other words &#8220;Resist&#8221; them.   </p>
<p>*  See, for instance  <a href="https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-03-30/trump-may-be-right-five-eyes-allies-do-spy-one-another" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-03-30/trump-may-be-right-five-eyes-allies-do-spy-one-another</a></p>
<p>See also  <a href="https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2017/03/14/judge-napolitano-three-intel-sources-say-obama-looked-to-brit-agency-to-spy-on-trump/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2017/03/14/judge-napolitano-three-intel-sources-say-obama-looked-to-brit-agency-to-spy-on-trump/</a></p>
<p>See also   <a href="https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/89117970/donald-trumps-unpredictability-may-test-five-eyes-spy-allies-including-nz" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/89117970/donald-trumps-unpredictability-may-test-five-eyes-spy-allies-including-nz</a></p>
<p>See also   <a href="https://www.internationalaffairs.org.au/australianoutlook/five-eyes-concern/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.internationalaffairs.org.au/australianoutlook/five-eyes-concern/</a></p>
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		By: sdferr		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Apr 2019 13:25:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Prior to the 2018 elections Pres. Trump made the Democrats a direct offer of investigatory truce: knock off the Russian collusion BS and the rest of the frivolous charges  and in return I&#039;ll let past abuses of Federal power be bygones. Otherwise, I won&#039;t stop pursuing my tormentors, including the past adminstration along with Mrs. Clinton and will direct all lawful means to seek justice in these matters. The Democrats, as anyone can see, have imprudently refused the generous offer of an olive branch. Now, they will reap the whirlwind. Bet on that then. For why not?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Prior to the 2018 elections Pres. Trump made the Democrats a direct offer of investigatory truce: knock off the Russian collusion BS and the rest of the frivolous charges  and in return I&#8217;ll let past abuses of Federal power be bygones. Otherwise, I won&#8217;t stop pursuing my tormentors, including the past adminstration along with Mrs. Clinton and will direct all lawful means to seek justice in these matters. The Democrats, as anyone can see, have imprudently refused the generous offer of an olive branch. Now, they will reap the whirlwind. Bet on that then. For why not?</p>
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		By: Art Deco		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Art Deco]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Apr 2019 12:34:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m a participant in a couple of fora which have an ample supply of partisan Democrats.  What hits you about them is that they simply adhere to no procedural principles anymore.  It&#039;s all about what they want.  Proper procedure is what gets them what they want; improper procedure is what gets them what they do not want. (So, the duly confirmed Neil Gorsuch is occupying a &#039;stolen&#039; seat on the Supreme Court).  The other thing that gets you is that disputes over public policy are now MacGuffins.  It&#039;s all about contriving ways to take political office away from the Deplorables and use institutions of state to harass them.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a participant in a couple of fora which have an ample supply of partisan Democrats.  What hits you about them is that they simply adhere to no procedural principles anymore.  It&#8217;s all about what they want.  Proper procedure is what gets them what they want; improper procedure is what gets them what they do not want. (So, the duly confirmed Neil Gorsuch is occupying a &#8216;stolen&#8217; seat on the Supreme Court).  The other thing that gets you is that disputes over public policy are now MacGuffins.  It&#8217;s all about contriving ways to take political office away from the Deplorables and use institutions of state to harass them.</p>
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		By: Art Deco		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Apr 2019 12:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Not expecting anything.  When Mueller put his team together, 30% of them were Democratic Party donors, and three of them four-digit Democratic Party donors. The share of the population who give four-digit sums to political causes is tiny.   I have a suspicion that you pick names out of a hat among lawyers emploiyed by the Department of Justice and that&#039;s what you get.  For a Democrat to get prosecuted for corruption or abuse of power, he has to do something fairly crude, like have a chest freezer full of bribe money in his basement.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not expecting anything.  When Mueller put his team together, 30% of them were Democratic Party donors, and three of them four-digit Democratic Party donors. The share of the population who give four-digit sums to political causes is tiny.   I have a suspicion that you pick names out of a hat among lawyers emploiyed by the Department of Justice and that&#8217;s what you get.  For a Democrat to get prosecuted for corruption or abuse of power, he has to do something fairly crude, like have a chest freezer full of bribe money in his basement.</p>
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		By: sdferr		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[sdferr]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Apr 2019 11:01:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[An interesting (and somewhat amusing) thread on the FOIAed &quot;Comey memos&quot; which were to have been produced yesterday, but were not on account of their high sensitivity in containing &quot;code named&quot; agents and collection information. Foreign govts&#039; objections to the exposure of their own operations against Trump and his campaign also seems to be in play here. Stinks, of course, yet there appear to be ongoing investigations into the actions of Comey himself as well as the rest of the FBI/DoJ complex, so there&#039;s that. 

https://mobile.twitter.com/Shem_Infinite/status/1115447976011296768]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An interesting (and somewhat amusing) thread on the FOIAed &#8220;Comey memos&#8221; which were to have been produced yesterday, but were not on account of their high sensitivity in containing &#8220;code named&#8221; agents and collection information. Foreign govts&#8217; objections to the exposure of their own operations against Trump and his campaign also seems to be in play here. Stinks, of course, yet there appear to be ongoing investigations into the actions of Comey himself as well as the rest of the FBI/DoJ complex, so there&#8217;s that. </p>
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		By: Manju		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Manju]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Apr 2019 10:52:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Just the DOJ/FBI reluctance to release documents repeatedly subpoenaed by Congressional Committees tells it all.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Replace &quot;DOJ/FBI&quot; with &quot;Executive Branch&quot; or even better &quot;Donald Trump&quot; and you will be indeed telling it all.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Just the DOJ/FBI reluctance to release documents repeatedly subpoenaed by Congressional Committees tells it all.</p></blockquote>
<p>Replace &#8220;DOJ/FBI&#8221; with &#8220;Executive Branch&#8221; or even better &#8220;Donald Trump&#8221; and you will be indeed telling it all.</p>
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