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		By: Tuvea		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2019/03/23/all-the-tonys-and-marias/#comment-2428470</link>

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					<description><![CDATA[My favorite song in West Side Story is ‘America’.]]></description>
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		By: neo		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Mar 2019 21:31:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Art Deco:

Actually, although you are correct about the gayness of quite a few people connected with West Side Story (including Kert), you have somewhat mischaracterized Jerome Robbins, the director/choreographer who shaped the entire enterprise.

Jerome Robbins had one of the most complex and active love/sex lives of anyone I&#039;ve ever read about.  Quite the extraordinary guy, and apparently tremendously difficult as a director but tremendously charismatic in private life, he not only was bisexual but seriously bisexual in that he had meaningful, long-lasting love affairs (not just sexual affairs) with many women and many men.  I read a very lengthy biography of Robbins and decided he defies classification in this regard.  &quot;Bisexual&quot; doesn&#039;t exactly cover it, either.  In &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.thenewneo.com/2014/12/13/in-profile/&quot;&gt;a previous post I wrote this&lt;/a&gt; about Robbins:

&lt;blockquote&gt;It is often said that Robbins was homosexual, but if there is such a thing as bisexuality he certainly exhibited it. He must have been an exceptionally compelling human being, because the list of men and women with whom he had affairs—and many of them were real love affairs, not shallow dalliances—reads like a list of the most creative people of the 20th century. What’s more, his lovers usually continued to love him as friends long after the affair had ended...&lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Art Deco:</p>
<p>Actually, although you are correct about the gayness of quite a few people connected with West Side Story (including Kert), you have somewhat mischaracterized Jerome Robbins, the director/choreographer who shaped the entire enterprise.</p>
<p>Jerome Robbins had one of the most complex and active love/sex lives of anyone I&#8217;ve ever read about.  Quite the extraordinary guy, and apparently tremendously difficult as a director but tremendously charismatic in private life, he not only was bisexual but seriously bisexual in that he had meaningful, long-lasting love affairs (not just sexual affairs) with many women and many men.  I read a very lengthy biography of Robbins and decided he defies classification in this regard.  &#8220;Bisexual&#8221; doesn&#8217;t exactly cover it, either.  In <a href="https://www.thenewneo.com/2014/12/13/in-profile/">a previous post I wrote this</a> about Robbins:</p>
<blockquote><p>It is often said that Robbins was homosexual, but if there is such a thing as bisexuality he certainly exhibited it. He must have been an exceptionally compelling human being, because the list of men and women with whom he had affairs—and many of them were real love affairs, not shallow dalliances—reads like a list of the most creative people of the 20th century. What’s more, his lovers usually continued to love him as friends long after the affair had ended&#8230;</p></blockquote>
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		By: docweasel		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Mar 2019 19:17:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[prefer the broadway version over the movie? You must be kidding. In the stage version they sing Officer Krupke AFTER Riff is killed (maybe it&#039;s more bitterly delivered, but it&#039;s ludicrous they&#039;d be cutting up after their leader has been killed) and Cool BEFORE the rumble (by Riff, not Ice). In fact, I believe Ice, the coolest and best role in the movie, isn&#039;t even IN the stage version! There&#039;s a lot more to hate about the stage version, those 2 things stick out the worst. The only criticism of the movie I have is the way it&#039;s structured there isn&#039;t hardly a song  in the 3rd act of the movie (A Boy Like That/I Have a Love is the last one? I forget.) and a song when Tony is killed would have been good, they should have added one for the film as they often to for dramatic purposes. Also, the stage version is usually broadly acted (not that the movie is completely realistic) and that campy, over-broad style seems to cheapen real tragedy, at least by my lights. I prefer the more realistic acting of the movies to the high-school emoting and delivery to the back rows of the stage.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>prefer the broadway version over the movie? You must be kidding. In the stage version they sing Officer Krupke AFTER Riff is killed (maybe it&#8217;s more bitterly delivered, but it&#8217;s ludicrous they&#8217;d be cutting up after their leader has been killed) and Cool BEFORE the rumble (by Riff, not Ice). In fact, I believe Ice, the coolest and best role in the movie, isn&#8217;t even IN the stage version! There&#8217;s a lot more to hate about the stage version, those 2 things stick out the worst. The only criticism of the movie I have is the way it&#8217;s structured there isn&#8217;t hardly a song  in the 3rd act of the movie (A Boy Like That/I Have a Love is the last one? I forget.) and a song when Tony is killed would have been good, they should have added one for the film as they often to for dramatic purposes. Also, the stage version is usually broadly acted (not that the movie is completely realistic) and that campy, over-broad style seems to cheapen real tragedy, at least by my lights. I prefer the more realistic acting of the movies to the high-school emoting and delivery to the back rows of the stage.</p>
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		By: Art Deco		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Mar 2019 17:59:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt; Let’s not forget how precious/pretensious West Side Story was back in the 60s – hard to see then because its assumptions dovetailed with white liberal beliefs of the time. &lt;/i&gt;

Let&#039;s forget it because it isn&#039;t true.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i> Let’s not forget how precious/pretensious West Side Story was back in the 60s – hard to see then because its assumptions dovetailed with white liberal beliefs of the time. </i></p>
<p>Let&#8217;s forget it because it isn&#8217;t true.</p>
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		By: Mike K		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Mar 2019 16:18:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Little Shop of Horrors&quot; is another favorite.  The task of creating a story with music is the history of opera, which I also love.  Andrew Lloyd Webber&#039;s genius is just amazing to me.  Who would think of a musical about trains with the performers all on roller skates?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Little Shop of Horrors&#8221; is another favorite.  The task of creating a story with music is the history of opera, which I also love.  Andrew Lloyd Webber&#8217;s genius is just amazing to me.  Who would think of a musical about trains with the performers all on roller skates?</p>
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		By: Ben David		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Mar 2019 16:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[1. Bernstein and Sondheim have been dragooned by opera houses around the world to dispel the subscriber-repelling miasma that coalesces around productions of &quot;modern&quot; atonal music, and to appeal to &quot;the masses&quot;. It&#039;s supposed to be hard to sing, a cut above. It&#039;s like Gershwin&#039;s upscale quoting of  jazz &quot;vernacular&quot; in his classical works. Which leads to:

2. Let&#039;s not forget how precious/pretensious West Side Story was back in the 60s - hard to see then because its assumptions dovetailed with white liberal beliefs of the time. I am surprised that West Side Story even gets produced in this &quot;woke&quot; decade.

3. Does not pay to compare books, stage shows, and movies. Each one is its own medium. The best example of that for me is &quot;Little Shop of Horrors&quot; - which started as an indie film by Roger Corman, and was adapted into a firecracker of a musical that regularly threated to blow the roof off its tiny off-off-Broadway theater. Then the musical was successfully (IMHO) adapted into a film directed by Muppets pupeteer Frank Oz, who preserved the manic energy in that tiny theater while opening up the mise en scene to cinematic possibilities.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. Bernstein and Sondheim have been dragooned by opera houses around the world to dispel the subscriber-repelling miasma that coalesces around productions of &#8220;modern&#8221; atonal music, and to appeal to &#8220;the masses&#8221;. It&#8217;s supposed to be hard to sing, a cut above. It&#8217;s like Gershwin&#8217;s upscale quoting of  jazz &#8220;vernacular&#8221; in his classical works. Which leads to:</p>
<p>2. Let&#8217;s not forget how precious/pretensious West Side Story was back in the 60s &#8211; hard to see then because its assumptions dovetailed with white liberal beliefs of the time. I am surprised that West Side Story even gets produced in this &#8220;woke&#8221; decade.</p>
<p>3. Does not pay to compare books, stage shows, and movies. Each one is its own medium. The best example of that for me is &#8220;Little Shop of Horrors&#8221; &#8211; which started as an indie film by Roger Corman, and was adapted into a firecracker of a musical that regularly threated to blow the roof off its tiny off-off-Broadway theater. Then the musical was successfully (IMHO) adapted into a film directed by Muppets pupeteer Frank Oz, who preserved the manic energy in that tiny theater while opening up the mise en scene to cinematic possibilities.</p>
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		By: Geoffrey Britain		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Mar 2019 15:47:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I agree with neo that her two picks are superb renditions of Maria. 

I also agree with LJ that &quot;Kert is telling you about the love he has met, while to other two are singing an ode to a name.&quot; But I think it&#039;s the visual of his acting that achieves that effect. 

As for myself, &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85OgyFCIryk&#038;feature=youtu.be&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Andy Williams 1967 &quot;Maria&quot;&lt;/a&gt; is... IMO unmatched. 

I suspect that Bernstein&#039;s &quot;Maria&quot; was inspired by Franz Schubert&#039;s &quot;Ave Maria&quot; and in support of that speculation I offer; &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-pNBglMNZU&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Russell Watson`s performance of Ave Maria at Bridgewater 2002&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with neo that her two picks are superb renditions of Maria. </p>
<p>I also agree with LJ that &#8220;Kert is telling you about the love he has met, while to other two are singing an ode to a name.&#8221; But I think it&#8217;s the visual of his acting that achieves that effect. </p>
<p>As for myself, <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85OgyFCIryk&amp;feature=youtu.be" rel="nofollow">Andy Williams 1967 &#8220;Maria&#8221;</a> is&#8230; IMO unmatched. </p>
<p>I suspect that Bernstein&#8217;s &#8220;Maria&#8221; was inspired by Franz Schubert&#8217;s &#8220;Ave Maria&#8221; and in support of that speculation I offer; <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-pNBglMNZU" rel="nofollow">Russell Watson`s performance of Ave Maria at Bridgewater 2002</a></p>
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		By: RigelDog		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Mar 2019 15:41:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ironically, Kert had no amatory interest in women&#062;&#062;&#062;  Ok, so it&#039;s not just me. I don&#039;t know if Kert was a gay man, but I was getting a very strong vibe that he was and that made the acting seem more like obvious acting. Still an enjoyable performance and many thanks, Neo, for posting such interesting bits from the arts.
  I sing, and I love singing Maria! And I&#039;m not gay so there&#039;s no believable romance in the performance, lol, but what I love about the song is where the melodic intervals hit and the keys change.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ironically, Kert had no amatory interest in women&gt;&gt;&gt;  Ok, so it&#8217;s not just me. I don&#8217;t know if Kert was a gay man, but I was getting a very strong vibe that he was and that made the acting seem more like obvious acting. Still an enjoyable performance and many thanks, Neo, for posting such interesting bits from the arts.<br />
  I sing, and I love singing Maria! And I&#8217;m not gay so there&#8217;s no believable romance in the performance, lol, but what I love about the song is where the melodic intervals hit and the keys change.</p>
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		By: Art Deco		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Mar 2019 12:27:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Kert is telling you about the love he has met, while to other two are singing an ode to a name. &lt;/i&gt;

Ironically, Kert had no amatory interest in women.  Neither did the author or the lyricist of the original production.  The director and choreographer had hardly any.  Such interests were limited to Leonard Bernstein (on alternate weeks) and the producers.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Kert is telling you about the love he has met, while to other two are singing an ode to a name. </i></p>
<p>Ironically, Kert had no amatory interest in women.  Neither did the author or the lyricist of the original production.  The director and choreographer had hardly any.  Such interests were limited to Leonard Bernstein (on alternate weeks) and the producers.</p>
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		By: Richard Aubrey		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Mar 2019 09:58:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I have a different take.  Our high school drama department did an old standard every year.  Camelot, Showboat, West Side Story, Sound of Music, etc.  There was a lot of talent in those kids.
A famous singer wondering if he&#039;ll be a good father is one thing.  A late adolescent wondering is another.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a different take.  Our high school drama department did an old standard every year.  Camelot, Showboat, West Side Story, Sound of Music, etc.  There was a lot of talent in those kids.<br />
A famous singer wondering if he&#8217;ll be a good father is one thing.  A late adolescent wondering is another.</p>
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