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	Comments on: It wasn&#8217;t just some Pelosi statement: the Democrats intend to give 16-year-olds the vote	</title>
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		By: Roy Nathanson		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Roy Nathanson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Mar 2019 20:31:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Artdeco,

For the purposes of determining the weighting of votes, the sum of all taxes paid should be considered.  As the new system comes into effect, I am sure that taxation systems would be revised, and overall taxation would be reapportioned. Tax &quot;avoidance&quot; would not be as a attractive as previously.  Obviously, the people who pay the most taxes, will get to design the new collections systems. I doubt that many would choose to pay zero taxes and have no vote, but for those who so choose, at least they won&#039;t have any say about how other people&#039;s taxes are spent.

As Samantamantha said, &quot;No representation without taxation.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Artdeco,</p>
<p>For the purposes of determining the weighting of votes, the sum of all taxes paid should be considered.  As the new system comes into effect, I am sure that taxation systems would be revised, and overall taxation would be reapportioned. Tax &#8220;avoidance&#8221; would not be as a attractive as previously.  Obviously, the people who pay the most taxes, will get to design the new collections systems. I doubt that many would choose to pay zero taxes and have no vote, but for those who so choose, at least they won&#8217;t have any say about how other people&#8217;s taxes are spent.</p>
<p>As Samantamantha said, &#8220;No representation without taxation.&#8221;</p>
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		By: Art Deco		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Art Deco]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Mar 2019 17:12:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;2) I believe that about 47% of taxpayers do not pay Federal Income Tax. Is Congressman Burgess suggesting that they shouldn’t be able to vote?&lt;/i&gt;

They pay payroll taxes.  The economic burden of property and sales taxes is distributed between vendor and consumer, with varying shares falling on the latter. The latter would be anyone who buys a taxable commodity or rents an apartment.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>2) I believe that about 47% of taxpayers do not pay Federal Income Tax. Is Congressman Burgess suggesting that they shouldn’t be able to vote?</i></p>
<p>They pay payroll taxes.  The economic burden of property and sales taxes is distributed between vendor and consumer, with varying shares falling on the latter. The latter would be anyone who buys a taxable commodity or rents an apartment.</p>
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		By: om		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[om]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Mar 2019 16:16:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[We have in practice the antithesis of the social credit or meritorious conduct screen for voting already; people convicted of felonies are not allowed to vote in many states.  The progressives feel that is another injustice, since of course the justice system is racist and oppressive.  And so forth.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have in practice the antithesis of the social credit or meritorious conduct screen for voting already; people convicted of felonies are not allowed to vote in many states.  The progressives feel that is another injustice, since of course the justice system is racist and oppressive.  And so forth.</p>
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		By: Art Deco		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Art Deco]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Mar 2019 16:07:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Wouldn’t changing the voting age again require a Constitutional amendment as it did last time?&lt;/i&gt;

No. the language of the Amendment allows states to put the voting age where they please as long as the threshold does not exceed 18.  However, apportionment rules are unaltered, so the effect might be to change the composition of a state&#039;s congressional delegation or the probability a state&#039;s electoral votes go one way or another, but not the weight of the state in federal elections.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Wouldn’t changing the voting age again require a Constitutional amendment as it did last time?</i></p>
<p>No. the language of the Amendment allows states to put the voting age where they please as long as the threshold does not exceed 18.  However, apportionment rules are unaltered, so the effect might be to change the composition of a state&#8217;s congressional delegation or the probability a state&#8217;s electoral votes go one way or another, but not the weight of the state in federal elections.</p>
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		By: Roy Nathanson		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Roy Nathanson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Mar 2019 16:04:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[om,

You are correct in that that part of my concept is half-baked. I don&#039;t really know how this could work. I just know that I don&#039;t think that the vote by proportion of tax burden only would result in the government that I want to live with. I think that the corporate model must be tempered with another element to make the result more humane.

Associated thought: Could this modeled using Game Theory to test and optimize the system prior to trying it in real life?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>om,</p>
<p>You are correct in that that part of my concept is half-baked. I don&#8217;t really know how this could work. I just know that I don&#8217;t think that the vote by proportion of tax burden only would result in the government that I want to live with. I think that the corporate model must be tempered with another element to make the result more humane.</p>
<p>Associated thought: Could this modeled using Game Theory to test and optimize the system prior to trying it in real life?</p>
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		By: om		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[om]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Mar 2019 15:31:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[What a wonderful idea allowing a government entity to establish a &quot;meritorious conduct&quot; metric that establishes who is a fully functional citizen, aka, everyone is equal some are just more equal than others.  Are you aware of China&#039;s social credit system? That couldn&#039;t happen here, because …..  Not to bright, boys.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a wonderful idea allowing a government entity to establish a &#8220;meritorious conduct&#8221; metric that establishes who is a fully functional citizen, aka, everyone is equal some are just more equal than others.  Are you aware of China&#8217;s social credit system? That couldn&#8217;t happen here, because …..  Not to bright, boys.</p>
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		By: F		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[F]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Mar 2019 15:09:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Batemjo:

[the kids won&#039;t] &quot;make it to the voting booth.&quot;

Have you read about &quot;vote harvesting&quot; in CA?  They don&#039;t need you to vote, they just need to have you receive a ballot, which they can then fill out and return for you.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Batemjo:</p>
<p>[the kids won&#8217;t] &#8220;make it to the voting booth.&#8221;</p>
<p>Have you read about &#8220;vote harvesting&#8221; in CA?  They don&#8217;t need you to vote, they just need to have you receive a ballot, which they can then fill out and return for you.</p>
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		By: ymarsakar		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Mar 2019 15:03:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;The vote by proportion of tax burden is akin to the corporate model. I believe this would be stable and efficient, but I have some misgivings about how “human” it would be. A society and a country is about more than economics. Therefore, I think the corporate model must be combined with elements of other models.

Suppose that some artificial ranking of citizens were created based on the criteria important to the communities. This is the meritocracy model. The higher the citizen ranking, the more that citizens vote would be weighted.&lt;/b&gt;

Just combine both systems. Merit is certainly a factor in corporation shares as well. The CEO is usually given quite a number of shares in the company he manages. Gives him a stake.

The system should start by disallowing votes for those on welfare. Then focus on how much vote can be amplified by those with meritorious conduct in the direct electronic democracy.

&lt;b&gt;16 year olds won’t even clean their bedrooms. None of them will ever make it to the voting booth.&lt;/b&gt;

They don&#039;t have to make it to the voting booth given that Leftists will be their proxy voters. Roll call for corporations allows proxy voting by share holders.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>The vote by proportion of tax burden is akin to the corporate model. I believe this would be stable and efficient, but I have some misgivings about how “human” it would be. A society and a country is about more than economics. Therefore, I think the corporate model must be combined with elements of other models.</p>
<p>Suppose that some artificial ranking of citizens were created based on the criteria important to the communities. This is the meritocracy model. The higher the citizen ranking, the more that citizens vote would be weighted.</b></p>
<p>Just combine both systems. Merit is certainly a factor in corporation shares as well. The CEO is usually given quite a number of shares in the company he manages. Gives him a stake.</p>
<p>The system should start by disallowing votes for those on welfare. Then focus on how much vote can be amplified by those with meritorious conduct in the direct electronic democracy.</p>
<p><b>16 year olds won’t even clean their bedrooms. None of them will ever make it to the voting booth.</b></p>
<p>They don&#8217;t have to make it to the voting booth given that Leftists will be their proxy voters. Roll call for corporations allows proxy voting by share holders.</p>
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		By: TonyW		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Mar 2019 14:18:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[“None of them will ever make it to the voting booth.” The leftists will provide buses from high school to the voting location.

Related: Last week NPR&#039;s Science Friday had a glowing report on #FridaysForFuture, the “global youth climate strike”  started by a 16 year old in Sweden. The children interviewed want a Green New Deal to “rapidly overhaul every part of our economy and society.” The host asked if they would be satisfied if congress passed the GND. Their answer—absolutely not! I fear that we are not just moving towards disaster but accelerating.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“None of them will ever make it to the voting booth.” The leftists will provide buses from high school to the voting location.</p>
<p>Related: Last week NPR&#8217;s Science Friday had a glowing report on #FridaysForFuture, the “global youth climate strike”  started by a 16 year old in Sweden. The children interviewed want a Green New Deal to “rapidly overhaul every part of our economy and society.” The host asked if they would be satisfied if congress passed the GND. Their answer—absolutely not! I fear that we are not just moving towards disaster but accelerating.</p>
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		By: Surellin		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Surellin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Mar 2019 13:16:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Wouldn&#039;t changing the voting age again require a Constitutional amendment as it did last time?]]></description>
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