But you didn’t see Catholics refusing to do business or socialize with Protestants, nor the reverse, at least back when I were a pup

My aunt and uncle (whose photo is in the reminiscence link) dated about 1910. His family were Anglican and quite unhappy to have a son dating a Catholic girl. They decided to take him on a long vacation to England in hopes he would forget her. In returning in April 1912, they were all three booked on the Titanic. Fortunately for me, it was overbooked and they got bumped. After they were married, my mother and her mother lived with them.

He told me that as a boy, he heard a Catholic was walking down the street and the boys all ran to see if he had a tail.

It’s just such an awful shame. My Honey’s aunt and her family lived in South Shore for awhile, I think, before they decamped to Beverly Shores in the Indiana Dunes. Before it had descended to the depths where it is now. :>(

Good B&W photo of the Theater (marquee announces The Chapman Report, which came out in 1962.

http://cinematreasures.org/theaters/2840

This comment caught my eye:

Comment by

RickB on March 5, 2014 at 5:08 pm:

Named as one of the city’s ten most endangered buildings by Preservation Chicago. A presumably recent picture is photo #5 of the slideshow that accompanies this Chicago Tribune article. [Link: https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-chicagos-most-endangered-buildings-list-20140304-story.html ]

“In 1935 the Nazis made it illegal for Jewish people to marry non-Jewish people.”

It took great courage for What’s-his-name in Cabaret to convert to Judaism so as to marry Marisa Berenson.

That movie was a bit all-over-the-pace, I think; but it surely packed a few wallops. I think everyone should see it, especially everyone born after 1970 and especially especially the Younger Generation(s), by which I mean anyone born between, say, 1984 and 2016. (I don’t consider it mandatory for those under the age of three to see it — at the present time.
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People are funny, in both senses. My mother-in-law had a cow because her boychik was marrying a shiksa! But she was just playing out her own (immigrant) Orthodox Jewish family’s drama, which almost disowned her (literally) because she was marrying a goy — my sweet father-in-law, an immigrant German Lutheran by upbringing.

But I never took that as any sort of pernicious anti-Jewish discrimination. It never would have occurred to me. And besides, how could I, given the example of her marriage to Grandpa Paul!

Anyway, people tend (or used to tend) to get upset when people marry outside the Faith, regardless of the Faith. But you didn’t see Catholics refusing to do business or socialize with Protestants, nor the reverse, at least back when I were a pup. (Although before Vat II, the Catholics were obliged not to set foot in a Protestant church, which meant that when our Congregational Church tried to set up a teenage after-school hangout with snacks and pop and ping-pong and games, the Catholic kids had to give it a miss.) They were also supposed to bypass the Shriners, I think.

After Mother died, Dad rejoined the Catholic Church; he’d been born into a Catholic family and was brought up Catholic. But then he joined our church, which was Mom’s. However, after she died he didn’t give up his Congregational Church membership either. Times had changed for sure….

Still, I have run across a fair amount of commentary on the Net that anti-Semitism is partly a result of “the” tendency for Jews to keep to themselves, not to intermarry, whatever. (And trust me, I do not frequent “hate” sites of any persuasion. I see this explanation on the “mainstream” Internet, and not only on the left by a long shot.)

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As to cousins marrying cousins, I was under the impression that it takes quite a few more generations than just one for human interbreeding to cause a statistically significant change in a population’s average, or its median, IQ.

I would be very happy to be disabused of this misunderstanding, if it’s wrong.

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It is worth a bit of concern, that people like Peterson and Haier are spreading the idea that there are going to be increasingly many people mentally incompetent to hold a job. If perchance this is true, we should be aware of the issue; but how long before a resurgent eugenics movement (and pro-abortion movement) starts pushing for legal measures (such as mandated abortions or sterilization) to curb the birth of “mentally incompetent” offspring?

E.g., the Foot of All Knowledge begins with its article on Buck vs.Bell

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buck_v._Bell

with this:

Buck v. Bell, 274 U.S. 200 (1927),[1] is a decision of the United States Supreme Court, written by Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr., in which the Court ruled that a state statute permitting compulsory sterilization of the unfit, including the intellectually disabled, “for the protection and health of the state,” did not violate the Due Process clause of the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution. The Supreme Court has never expressly overturned Buck v. Bell.

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The ruling was written by Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr. In support of his argument that the interest of “public welfare” outweighed the interest of individuals in their bodily integrity.

Links at source, of course.

Do not mention good ol’ Oliver in my presence.

Again, if laws mandating sterilization have been overturned since then, please tell me. (I had thought they were. I should certainly hope so!)

Your patience and reasonableness is awesome.

blert considers himself very intelligent and may indeed may be so, but IMO he also wants to show he is the smartest on this. If you don’t follow his argument and accept his anecdotes there is no “argument” or worthwhile discussion to be had?

You misunderstood my point.

Why on earth would you think I was saying that Jews are saints, or that I was disputing the fact that there must be some Jews who hate non-Jews? Jews are indeed people, after all, and people come in all varieties. I said nothing that would contradict that idea. My point was that it’s not a common phenomenon at all, and I have not personally encountered it nor have I ever heard anyone (except you, actually) describing it.

What is your point in making a big deal of these Jews you say hate non-Jews, if you’re not trying to imply there are a very significant and important number of them? Otherwise, why talk about it at all? It’s as though I talked about “Jew-hating Catholics” because I once knew some Catholics who hated Jews and discriminated against them. Why even discuss it unless it’s a common and important phenomenon? There are people in every group who hate some other group of people who aren’t like them.

You’ve certainly made some assumptions about me that are incorrect—such as saying to me that “Genetically, Jews are ONLY saints… must be your thesis.” Not only is there no “must be” about it, but I don’t think I’ve ever had such a thought about any group of people on earth, or anything like it. It would be a bizarre thing to think.

You added:

Anti-Semitism and anti-goy’ism are like cockroaches — you just can’t get rid of them. But for Heaven’s sake — don’t feed these beasts.

It certainly sounds as though you’re saying that “anti-goyism” among Jews is some rampant problem (cockroaches are very numerous, after all), that must be stomped out. And you added:

BTW, it should be obvious that an extremely smart, wealthy, powerful Jew with anti-goy impulses goes very, very, very far towards poisoning the well.

I assume that you were using “cockroaches” and “poisoning the well” as metaphors, but if you know anything about the history of anti-Semitism, you no doubt are aware that well-poisoning is one of the most common and ancient literal (not metaphorical) accusations against Jews, an accusation that has caused the massacre of many Jews throughout history. I had already said, in my comment to you at 2:24 PM, that literal well-poisoning was a serious charge that has traditionally been thrown at Jews, and you decided to repeat that particular metaphor to describe “wealthy, powerful Jews” who hate non-Jews. And comparing Jews to cockroaches and vermin of various sorts is an old anti-Semitic metaphor.

And then there was this, also from your comment:

While it’s entirely reasonable for the Ashkenazi to rank very high in smarts, one should remember that the Whites vastly out number them. This means that the number of Whites with super high IQs exceeds them by shear weight of numbers. But this is not reflected in life.

Not only is it very bizarre to call non-Jews “Whites” as though Jews are not whites, but your point there is an odd one as well. I am quite certain that the number of non-Jewish “whites” (your term, not mine) with super high IQs most definitely way outnumbers the sheer numbers of Jews with super-high IQs. So, why are Jews so over-represented in certain fields (I assume that’s what you mean by “reflected in life”)? Why, for example, have Jews received a way disproportionately high number of Nobel prizes in science? What are you implying might be the answer–some unfair and discriminatory pro-Jewish plot that powerful Jews have installed as part of the Nobel prize decision-making process? That may not be what you’re thinking at all, but I really can’t figure out what you’re trying to get at, if not something like that. What about the idea that Jews happen to be interested in science and go into it in high numbers and happen to excel in it? Some of the reasons for this may be described here. Achievement isn’t just about high-IQ, of course, although in science it’s certainly necessary. But things like motivation and cultural devotion to learning have their part as well.

Personal life experience.

Naturally, this phenomenon is invisible to Jews as it is NEVER — AFAIK — talked up.

Genetically, Jews are ONLY saints… must be your thesis.

Hateful screwballs span all genetics.

BTW, goy-haters are NOT subtle about it. I’ve seen one such gal, a teacher, hauled through the courts over it. With the union at her back, the ‘system’ couldn’t get rid of her. She was on the hunt for years on end.

The problem is that when this matter is raised — anyone doing so is instantly branded anti-Semitic.

To do so is way too quick on the trigger.

To repeat, when ANY individual has high social power, high financial power — and is a jerk — they do immense damage to the general reputation of their tribe.

Look at the anti-Irish schtick still to be seen in old Have Gun Will Travel episodes. A national hit, it never portrayed the Irish in a positive light… slammed small town culture as a rule… and elevated all of today’s protected classes virtually without exception.

Why give bona fide anti-Semites any additional ammo?

There are commenters in this thread for whom the very concept of anti-goy Jews is novel.

The reality is that jerks and saints are in every tribe. If you can’t see that — there’s no argument to be made.

Farmers don’t live in a fantasy-land of abstract ideas; they deal with reality every day. They can’t just hop on a plane and leave when the government decides to redistribute their wealth (land doesn’t fit in a carry-on), and they don’t imagine that putting two bulls together will create anything of value.

It’s perfectly understandable that groups who have some ethnic or religious identity in common would rather their children marry within the group. This isn’t “discrimination” in the same sense as Jim Crow laws were discrimination, aimed at harming people.