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		By: Griffin		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[The story of the Portland woman and her podcast questioning the MeToo stuff was also instructive. For daring to question they have come for her husbands coffee shop business.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The story of the Portland woman and her podcast questioning the MeToo stuff was also instructive. For daring to question they have come for her husbands coffee shop business.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[JTW on February 28, 2019 at 11:21 pm at 11:21 pm said:
@Artfldgr indeed, and it’s starting. The Dutch green party (rebranded from Communist party after the fall of the Berlin wall, they literally just changed their name) put forward a proposal to deny medical care for the elderly (70 years and over) because “keeping them alive is not worth the money”.
Few years ago they put forward a proposal to deny all treatments that “don’t cure”, in other words everything that “merely” makes life more comfortable or suppresses symptoms. 
* * *
JTW - what kind of insanity drives people who don&#039;t think they will ever need pain suppressors, and will never grow old?
Will they have to face the same things they advocate for others, as Borders and Murphy did?
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Dave on February 28, 2019 at 5:36 pm at 5:36 pm said:
Why doesn’t Lisa Borders believe her son’s accuser? what a freaking hypocrite, &lt;b&gt;you will never feel the pain of others unless you yourself get a taste what they are suffering. &lt;/b&gt;This is the problem the liberals don’t get, whatever political weapons you created to oust your political opponents will be used against you, by someone who has an eye on your position. They think they are safe, no you are not, socialism is just a violent musical chair that the seat you obtained through physical and unethical means will be taken away from you physically and unethically,
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The question is not: will they face the same problems they cause for others (some will; some won&#039;t) -- but, will those that face the problems learn anything from it?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JTW on February 28, 2019 at 11:21 pm at 11:21 pm said:<br />
@Artfldgr indeed, and it’s starting. The Dutch green party (rebranded from Communist party after the fall of the Berlin wall, they literally just changed their name) put forward a proposal to deny medical care for the elderly (70 years and over) because “keeping them alive is not worth the money”.<br />
Few years ago they put forward a proposal to deny all treatments that “don’t cure”, in other words everything that “merely” makes life more comfortable or suppresses symptoms.<br />
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JTW &#8211; what kind of insanity drives people who don&#8217;t think they will ever need pain suppressors, and will never grow old?<br />
Will they have to face the same things they advocate for others, as Borders and Murphy did?<br />
* * *<br />
Dave on February 28, 2019 at 5:36 pm at 5:36 pm said:<br />
Why doesn’t Lisa Borders believe her son’s accuser? what a freaking hypocrite, <b>you will never feel the pain of others unless you yourself get a taste what they are suffering. </b>This is the problem the liberals don’t get, whatever political weapons you created to oust your political opponents will be used against you, by someone who has an eye on your position. They think they are safe, no you are not, socialism is just a violent musical chair that the seat you obtained through physical and unethical means will be taken away from you physically and unethically,<br />
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<p>The question is not: will they face the same problems they cause for others (some will; some won&#8217;t) &#8212; but, will those that face the problems learn anything from it?</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Artfldgr on March 1, 2019 at 2:39 pm at 2:39 pm said:
They are the victims of the attitude that Munzenberg gave them… (and even you)

“&lt;b&gt;He wanted to instill the feeling, like a truth of nature, that seriously to criticize or challenge leftist policy was the unfailing mark of a bad, bigoted, and probably stupid person,&lt;/b&gt; while support was equally infallible proof of a forward-looking mind committed to all that was best for humanity and marked by an uplifting refinement of sensi-bility.” – Stephen Koch – Double Lives
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Looks like he succeeded.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Artfldgr on March 1, 2019 at 2:39 pm at 2:39 pm said:<br />
They are the victims of the attitude that Munzenberg gave them… (and even you)</p>
<p>“<b>He wanted to instill the feeling, like a truth of nature, that seriously to criticize or challenge leftist policy was the unfailing mark of a bad, bigoted, and probably stupid person,</b> while support was equally infallible proof of a forward-looking mind committed to all that was best for humanity and marked by an uplifting refinement of sensi-bility.” – Stephen Koch – Double Lives<br />
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Looks like he succeeded.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;The crocodile may eat you and your loved ones last, but the crocodile will eat you because it’s insatiably hungry:&quot; - Neo

I read an article &#038; its comments yesterday that makes much the same point.
This is the &quot;trailer&quot; from American Digest; the article is at Quillette.

http://americandigest.org/wp/true-but-forbidden-8/#more-11076
Why I’m Suing Twitter &lt;blockquote&gt; 

&quot;Earlier this year, lawyers acting on my behalf filed a legal complaint against Twitter in California. The social media behemoth has been suspending accounts, not because users break Twitter rules, but because they break rank. Despite repeated claims that the platform exists as a space for free speech, and the company’s professed public commitment to refrain from banning users for ideological reasons, Twitter is now doing just that. Those who fail to adhere to the company’s preferred politics are picked off, with no accountability to speak of.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

This is the complaint against Twitter, and some information about the complainant:

https://quillette.com/2019/02/26/why-im-suing-twitter/
&lt;blockquote&gt; 
Published on February 26, 2019  comments 233
Why I’m Suing Twitter
written by Meghan Murphy
&quot;Twenty minutes after I received notice of my permanent suspension, for tweeting information that already was public (which is to say, Yaniv had posted this review online, publicly, for all to see, under the name “Jonathan Yaniv”), Pink News published an article announcing that the platform suddenly had changed its rules so as to ban “misgendering” and “deadnaming.” The timing was astonishing.
...
I am not the only user who has been banned of late for either challenging gender-identity ideology more generally, or challenging the specific claims or behaviour of trans activists (particularly in their targeting of women). 
...
For instance, various governments in North America and Europe have passed laws that allow people to determine their own sex in a way that grants them unfettered access to women’s facilities, such as change rooms, transition houses, shelters, bathrooms and even jails. Sports federations and bodies, including the International Olympic Committee, have created policies allowing trans-identified males to compete against women, in the process ignoring widespread criticism from the public and from female athletes.&lt;b&gt; And while much of the media has lined up behind this trend, in large part out of fear of being called transphobic, there are millions of ordinary, perfectly tolerant people who are deeply troubled by the way these sweeping new measures are being implemented.&lt;/b&gt;

In the UK, meetings and discussions have been held regularly to address concerns about proposed changes to the Gender Recognition Act. As the nature of these events serves to illustrate,&lt;b&gt;the opposition to the new legislation doesn’t originate primarily with the sort of regressive bigots who exist in liberal caricature, but instead with committed feminists &lt;/b&gt;who are appalled by the lack of concern expressed for female spaces and safety, and who are seeing generations of hard work and activism rolled back. In British Columbia, where I live, violent threats and melodramatic appeals were aimed at shutting down an event organized by myself and other women to discuss gender identity and women’s rights ... &lt;b&gt;These attendees —most of them ordinary men and women (many of them feminists and leftists)—are the furthest thing from bigots.&lt;/b&gt;&quot; 

&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The bulk of the discussion in the comments was triggered by those bolded portions, and centered around Murphy&#039;s own behavior, on her website and others, in deriding, deplatforming, and directing hate toward people &lt;em&gt;she &lt;/em&gt;disagrees with (mostly, men aka &quot;the patriarchy&quot;), and the hypocrisy of now turning to them for help (her article ends with a funding appeal) after doing nothing to assist or object when conservatives and others not in her particular intersectional wedge were banned by Twitter (et al.).

The serious question posed was: should Murphy&#039;s suit be supported, in the cause of helping defang Twitter in general; or should she be left to twist in the whirlwind sowed by her ilk, using the same tactics she deplores when used against herself?

It is a puzzlement.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The crocodile may eat you and your loved ones last, but the crocodile will eat you because it’s insatiably hungry:&#8221; &#8211; Neo</p>
<p>I read an article &amp; its comments yesterday that makes much the same point.<br />
This is the &#8220;trailer&#8221; from American Digest; the article is at Quillette.</p>
<p><a href="http://americandigest.org/wp/true-but-forbidden-8/#more-11076" rel="nofollow ugc">http://americandigest.org/wp/true-but-forbidden-8/#more-11076</a><br />
Why I’m Suing Twitter </p>
<blockquote>
<p>&#8220;Earlier this year, lawyers acting on my behalf filed a legal complaint against Twitter in California. The social media behemoth has been suspending accounts, not because users break Twitter rules, but because they break rank. Despite repeated claims that the platform exists as a space for free speech, and the company’s professed public commitment to refrain from banning users for ideological reasons, Twitter is now doing just that. Those who fail to adhere to the company’s preferred politics are picked off, with no accountability to speak of.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>This is the complaint against Twitter, and some information about the complainant:</p>
<p><a href="https://quillette.com/2019/02/26/why-im-suing-twitter/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://quillette.com/2019/02/26/why-im-suing-twitter/</a></p>
<blockquote><p>
Published on February 26, 2019  comments 233<br />
Why I’m Suing Twitter<br />
written by Meghan Murphy<br />
&#8220;Twenty minutes after I received notice of my permanent suspension, for tweeting information that already was public (which is to say, Yaniv had posted this review online, publicly, for all to see, under the name “Jonathan Yaniv”), Pink News published an article announcing that the platform suddenly had changed its rules so as to ban “misgendering” and “deadnaming.” The timing was astonishing.<br />
&#8230;<br />
I am not the only user who has been banned of late for either challenging gender-identity ideology more generally, or challenging the specific claims or behaviour of trans activists (particularly in their targeting of women).<br />
&#8230;<br />
For instance, various governments in North America and Europe have passed laws that allow people to determine their own sex in a way that grants them unfettered access to women’s facilities, such as change rooms, transition houses, shelters, bathrooms and even jails. Sports federations and bodies, including the International Olympic Committee, have created policies allowing trans-identified males to compete against women, in the process ignoring widespread criticism from the public and from female athletes.<b> And while much of the media has lined up behind this trend, in large part out of fear of being called transphobic, there are millions of ordinary, perfectly tolerant people who are deeply troubled by the way these sweeping new measures are being implemented.</b></p>
<p>In the UK, meetings and discussions have been held regularly to address concerns about proposed changes to the Gender Recognition Act. As the nature of these events serves to illustrate,<b>the opposition to the new legislation doesn’t originate primarily with the sort of regressive bigots who exist in liberal caricature, but instead with committed feminists </b>who are appalled by the lack of concern expressed for female spaces and safety, and who are seeing generations of hard work and activism rolled back. In British Columbia, where I live, violent threats and melodramatic appeals were aimed at shutting down an event organized by myself and other women to discuss gender identity and women’s rights &#8230; <b>These attendees —most of them ordinary men and women (many of them feminists and leftists)—are the furthest thing from bigots.</b>&#8221; </p>
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<p>The bulk of the discussion in the comments was triggered by those bolded portions, and centered around Murphy&#8217;s own behavior, on her website and others, in deriding, deplatforming, and directing hate toward people <em>she </em>disagrees with (mostly, men aka &#8220;the patriarchy&#8221;), and the hypocrisy of now turning to them for help (her article ends with a funding appeal) after doing nothing to assist or object when conservatives and others not in her particular intersectional wedge were banned by Twitter (et al.).</p>
<p>The serious question posed was: should Murphy&#8217;s suit be supported, in the cause of helping defang Twitter in general; or should she be left to twist in the whirlwind sowed by her ilk, using the same tactics she deplores when used against herself?</p>
<p>It is a puzzlement.</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[JTW - when Obamacare was being debated Sarah Palin talked about “death panels”.  Crazy lady!  /]]></description>
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					<description><![CDATA[They are the victims of the attitude that Munzenberg gave them... (and even you)

&lt;b&gt;“He wanted to instill the feeling, like a truth of nature, that seriously to criticize or challenge leftist policy was the unfailing mark of a bad, bigoted, and probably stupid person, while support was equally infallible proof of a forward-looking mind committed to all that was best for humanity and marked by an uplifting refinement of sensi-bility.”&lt;/b&gt;  - Stephen Koch – Double Lives



Mr. Koch says Munzenberg&#039;s real service to the cause lay in recruiting the &quot;elite youth&quot; of the adversary culture as &quot;agents who would over the long term seek to smooth and promote the advance of Soviet influence and assist the apparatus in its work of espionage.&quot; Munzenberg as propagandist and spymaster thus wove a seamless web of deceit and intrigue, uniting ostensibly idealistic and open gestures of political conscience with the basest acts of hidden betrayal. Silently, tirelessly, cunningly, from the mid-20&#039;s to the late 30&#039;s he spun the threads linking &quot;Ernest Hemingway to John Dos Passos to Lillian Hellman . . . to Kim Philby, Guy Burgess and Anthony Blunt.&quot;

-=-=-=-=-=- [SNIP] -=-=-=-=-=-

&quot;If we follow Munzenberg from Lenin&#039;s side to the forest where he died,&quot; Mr. Koch contends, &quot;his path will serve as an Ariadne&#039;s thread through much in 20th-century politics. The byways of his career link the most secret operations of revolutionary politics to central cultural events of the century. 

&lt;i&gt;We will see the Kremlin tied to Bloomsbury; we will watch the effects of his operation move from the Elysee to Hollywood and back to the Left Bank; from the life of Ernest Hemingway in Spain to Andre Gide speaking at the state funeral of Maxim Gorky. It is a thread that snakes through many mysteries, and across many encounters with betrayal, terror and murder.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

&lt;b&gt;Photography has become an outstanding and indispensable means of propaganda in the revolutionary struggle.&lt;/b&gt; - Willi Münzenberg - in Arbeiter-Fotograf, 1931]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They are the victims of the attitude that Munzenberg gave them&#8230; (and even you)</p>
<p><b>“He wanted to instill the feeling, like a truth of nature, that seriously to criticize or challenge leftist policy was the unfailing mark of a bad, bigoted, and probably stupid person, while support was equally infallible proof of a forward-looking mind committed to all that was best for humanity and marked by an uplifting refinement of sensi-bility.”</b>  &#8211; Stephen Koch – Double Lives</p>
<p>Mr. Koch says Munzenberg&#8217;s real service to the cause lay in recruiting the &#8220;elite youth&#8221; of the adversary culture as &#8220;agents who would over the long term seek to smooth and promote the advance of Soviet influence and assist the apparatus in its work of espionage.&#8221; Munzenberg as propagandist and spymaster thus wove a seamless web of deceit and intrigue, uniting ostensibly idealistic and open gestures of political conscience with the basest acts of hidden betrayal. Silently, tirelessly, cunningly, from the mid-20&#8217;s to the late 30&#8217;s he spun the threads linking &#8220;Ernest Hemingway to John Dos Passos to Lillian Hellman . . . to Kim Philby, Guy Burgess and Anthony Blunt.&#8221;</p>
<p>-=-=-=-=-=- [SNIP] -=-=-=-=-=-</p>
<p>&#8220;If we follow Munzenberg from Lenin&#8217;s side to the forest where he died,&#8221; Mr. Koch contends, &#8220;his path will serve as an Ariadne&#8217;s thread through much in 20th-century politics. The byways of his career link the most secret operations of revolutionary politics to central cultural events of the century. </p>
<p><i>We will see the Kremlin tied to Bloomsbury; we will watch the effects of his operation move from the Elysee to Hollywood and back to the Left Bank; from the life of Ernest Hemingway in Spain to Andre Gide speaking at the state funeral of Maxim Gorky. It is a thread that snakes through many mysteries, and across many encounters with betrayal, terror and murder.&#8221;</i></p>
<p><b>Photography has become an outstanding and indispensable means of propaganda in the revolutionary struggle.</b> &#8211; Willi Münzenberg &#8211; in Arbeiter-Fotograf, 1931</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;a href=&quot;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yp_l5ntikaU&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;monty python-witch scene&lt;/a&gt;

Does he float?  If he looks like a man, and he&#039;s a conforming masculine gender, then he&#039;s probably a duck, and therefore a rapist... rape-rapist (hat tip: Whoopi).  Under the Twilight Amendment and with the Pro-Choice Church&#039;s blessing, he is a priori guilty and should be privately burned at the stake.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yp_l5ntikaU" rel="nofollow">monty python-witch scene</a></p>
<p>Does he float?  If he looks like a man, and he&#8217;s a conforming masculine gender, then he&#8217;s probably a duck, and therefore a rapist&#8230; rape-rapist (hat tip: Whoopi).  Under the Twilight Amendment and with the Pro-Choice Church&#8217;s blessing, he is a priori guilty and should be privately burned at the stake.</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[Beyond the deep blue metropolitan areas, the &#039;red&#039; middle dominates. Thus getting rid of, by any means, the Electoral College is a top priority. One ring to rule them all and in the darkness bind them. I am getting old day by day. I hope CW2 starts while I can function as a sniper. Seriously.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beyond the deep blue metropolitan areas, the &#8216;red&#8217; middle dominates. Thus getting rid of, by any means, the Electoral College is a top priority. One ring to rule them all and in the darkness bind them. I am getting old day by day. I hope CW2 starts while I can function as a sniper. Seriously.</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Artfldgr indeed, and it&#039;s starting. The Dutch green party (rebranded from Communist party after the fall of the Berlin wall, they literally just changed their name) put forward a proposal to deny medical care for the elderly (70 years and over) because &quot;keeping them alive is not worth the money&quot;.
Few years ago they put forward a proposal to deny all treatments that &quot;don&#039;t cure&quot;, in other words everything that &quot;merely&quot; makes life more comfortable or suppresses symptoms. Under that proposal there&#039;d be no more prescription painkillers, no more blood pressure pills, no more insulin, statins, anti-depressants, sleeping aids, crutches, prosthetics, glasses, contact lenses, you name it. I seriously doubt the people putting forward that proposal realised what they were proposing, but luckily enough members of parliament did that it was laughed out of the proceedings, that time.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Artfldgr indeed, and it&#8217;s starting. The Dutch green party (rebranded from Communist party after the fall of the Berlin wall, they literally just changed their name) put forward a proposal to deny medical care for the elderly (70 years and over) because &#8220;keeping them alive is not worth the money&#8221;.<br />
Few years ago they put forward a proposal to deny all treatments that &#8220;don&#8217;t cure&#8221;, in other words everything that &#8220;merely&#8221; makes life more comfortable or suppresses symptoms. Under that proposal there&#8217;d be no more prescription painkillers, no more blood pressure pills, no more insulin, statins, anti-depressants, sleeping aids, crutches, prosthetics, glasses, contact lenses, you name it. I seriously doubt the people putting forward that proposal realised what they were proposing, but luckily enough members of parliament did that it was laughed out of the proceedings, that time.</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[parker on February 28, 2019 at 5:57 pm at 5:57 pm said:	
How long before the hard left starts manufacturing guillotines?

I would worry more about ovens now we have post birth abortions... 
and i would guess the handicapped are in their sites too as back when the aktions were the orders of the day...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>parker on February 28, 2019 at 5:57 pm at 5:57 pm said:<br />
How long before the hard left starts manufacturing guillotines?</p>
<p>I would worry more about ovens now we have post birth abortions&#8230;<br />
and i would guess the handicapped are in their sites too as back when the aktions were the orders of the day&#8230;</p>
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