Comments on: AOC says Trump’s wall is like the Berlin Wall

By: AesopFan

AesopFan — Sun, 03 Mar 2019 02:20:42 +0000

Bryan – the argument may work for libertarians, but the leftists have no credibility to use “right of association” in border issues, since they explicitly deny that ethic on grounds of “racist” or “homophobic” or whatever, when any conservative expresses a desire to NOT associate with persons who do not share their values.
On the other hand, the left quite readily refuses to associate with people who don’t share THEIR values, and agitate for others to do the same.

Not libertarian in the least; I don’t think “right of association” fits into their perspective at all.

By: Bryan Lovely

Bryan Lovely — Fri, 01 Mar 2019 23:22:25 +0000

As a non-loony libertarian, I think I understand the no-borders argument from their perspective.

Basically, all humans have the innate right of freedom of association, so if a person from the geographical region A wants to associate with the people in the geographical region B, there’s no rights-based argument against it.

I the l-l’s forget that the people already in B *also* have a right *not* to associate with A if they don’t want to.

Unlike high school, where the Cool Kidz always have the option of picking up and moving to another table if the Dweeb insists on trying to sit with them, the people of B have no option to exit when A shows up (because we live in a sedentary society), so the only option is to prevent A from entering.

While I consider myself a libertarian, I take a leaf from Stalin and proclaim myself in favor of “libertarianism in one country”. Let’s get it right in the US and *then* think about loosening the criteria for entry.

By: AesopFan

AesopFan — Fri, 01 Mar 2019 21:58:13 +0000

M Williams on February 28, 2019 at 3:41 pm at 3:41 pm said:
I think AOC and the kind of person who likes her kind of talk are just stuck on stupid. Here’s a little excerpt from Camille Paglia (and I think it refers just as well to people of any age – ignorance is not just for the young) . . .
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Indeed. And a note to everyone who actually knows the history of the Berlin Wall:
I wonder if AOC and others really do think that it was built by the West Germans (in order to keep the East Berliners OUT, rather than the historical reality of keeping them IN).

Since, after all, they have convinced themselves (and a lot of people who should know better) that the Republicans were the party of the historical KKK, that the Democrats were the party of Freedom, and that real Socialism hasn’t been tried yet.

By: Julie near Chicago

Julie near Chicago — Fri, 01 Mar 2019 16:50:11 +0000

Artfldgr at 6:38 pm — Good point as to Alex’s viewpoint. Sounds right to me…if (if) she's really thought that "deeply" about it.

y81, it's a lot harder to love the Volokh crew than I'd like it to be. At least Eugene is on the right side of things gun-wise (and how!), and he's been front and center on the right of free speech. Viz. his defense of Pamela Geller's and Robert Spencer's "Draw Mohammed" event, in which some jihadist nutters were determined to ruin their day, but in the end failed as some good guy of a cop shot one of them.

Megyn Kelly did a great job here, too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVkNEVyD4Vw

By: Barry Meislin

Barry Meislin — Fri, 01 Mar 2019 14:24:23 +0000

Hmmm. Now she’s begun to threaten those of her fellow Democratic legislators who don’t think “correctly” (or at least those who don’t vote “correctly”).
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ocasio-cortez-moderate-democrats-who-vote-with-republicans-are-putting-themselves-on-a-list

Well that didn’t take long, did it? (What is the expression? “Just look at my shocked face”?….)

This should be lots of fun to watch. (This together with “Black-prop” Tlaib and “You-ONLY-criticize-me-because-I’m-a-Muslim” Omar)

How to win hearts and minds, indeed!

File under: DPUSA (Stasi edition)

By: charles

charles — Fri, 01 Mar 2019 04:51:19 +0000

“AOC is hardly alone in her argument; it’s actually quite popular on the left”

I especially find it ironic when so many on the left where I work talk about walls being immoral, etc. Yet, they are the ones who not only have doors with locks; but, also live in doorman buildings!

By: Artfldgr

Artfldgr — Fri, 01 Mar 2019 03:42:56 +0000

anyway..
did ya here, there is no more laws in north carolina… [roll eyes]

By: Snow on Pine

Snow on Pine — Fri, 01 Mar 2019 02:26:29 +0000

I’m surprised she didn’t compare Trump’s Wall to the Great Wall of China, or to Hadrian’s Wall.

AOC probably knows as much about each one of them as she does about the Berlin Wall i.e. from the evidence, basically nothing but the name itself.

By: Geoffrey Britain

Geoffrey Britain — Fri, 01 Mar 2019 00:55:09 +0000

AOC’s adament support for open borders has nothing to do with increasing the hispanic vote… right?

But she does expose democracy’s achilles heel; the vote of the many today who buy into her ignorant/mendacious lunacy counts just as much as the most informed…

By: Mike K

Mike K — Fri, 01 Mar 2019 00:26:08 +0000

The main issue with the wall is the presence of a welfare state on this side of it. California tried to divide the two with Prop 187 20 years ago. It would have denied welfare to illegal aliens. It passed with 63% of the vote. It even had a majority in Hispanic precincts. An appeal was made, funded by a left wing billionaire and Jerry Brown, who was then AG, declined to appeal to the USSC,