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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2019/02/12/border-deal/#comment-2423170</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2019 01:48:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[FWIW, here’s Sanders on the border deal:
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/02/13/white-house-waits-compromise-security-bill-congress-bickers-details/
“Earlier Wednesday, White House press secretary Sarah Sanders said that the White House would examine the text closely before signaling their support for it.

“Unlike Nancy Pelosi, we actually like to read legislation before we agree to it,” she said.”]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FWIW, here’s Sanders on the border deal:<br />
<a href="https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/02/13/white-house-waits-compromise-security-bill-congress-bickers-details/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/02/13/white-house-waits-compromise-security-bill-congress-bickers-details/</a><br />
“Earlier Wednesday, White House press secretary Sarah Sanders said that the White House would examine the text closely before signaling their support for it.</p>
<p>“Unlike Nancy Pelosi, we actually like to read legislation before we agree to it,” she said.”</p>
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		By: Cicero		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2019/02/12/border-deal/#comment-2423114</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2019 22:23:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Senator John Thune is a major disappointment. I supported his successful campaign against that profound Leftist Tom Daschle in 2004, but he apparently has since been infected with some sort of brain worm in the Swamp that makes him think he is an improvement on sliced bread. What is it with previously decent, level-headed people that, once they achieve public office, they start playing to the indecent  and verminous Manjus of the country?

Should I give a sh*t at my advanced age? Yes, I should. We all should. To turn the USA  over to the Manjus is flat unacceptable. 

It may require armed combat. The people I run with are increasingly of that opinion and all are armed with AR-15s and more. You own guns, Manju? 

A 2nd civil war, resembling the one in 1930s Spain, the &quot;Republicans&quot; (all Commies and useful idiots, despite Hemingway&#039;s admiration) versus the Franco crowd, aka &quot;fascists&quot;. Franco won, but only with Hitler&#039;s support, since he had nowhere else to turn, not to France or England or the defanged Roosevelt USA for sure. 

Sometimes the situation calls for a tyrant, relatively benign, but authoritarian and able to squash the AOC/Tlaib/Kamala/Fauxahontas crowd like the bugs they are. Why are so many of these  bat-sh*t people female, BTW ?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Senator John Thune is a major disappointment. I supported his successful campaign against that profound Leftist Tom Daschle in 2004, but he apparently has since been infected with some sort of brain worm in the Swamp that makes him think he is an improvement on sliced bread. What is it with previously decent, level-headed people that, once they achieve public office, they start playing to the indecent  and verminous Manjus of the country?</p>
<p>Should I give a sh*t at my advanced age? Yes, I should. We all should. To turn the USA  over to the Manjus is flat unacceptable. </p>
<p>It may require armed combat. The people I run with are increasingly of that opinion and all are armed with AR-15s and more. You own guns, Manju? </p>
<p>A 2nd civil war, resembling the one in 1930s Spain, the &#8220;Republicans&#8221; (all Commies and useful idiots, despite Hemingway&#8217;s admiration) versus the Franco crowd, aka &#8220;fascists&#8221;. Franco won, but only with Hitler&#8217;s support, since he had nowhere else to turn, not to France or England or the defanged Roosevelt USA for sure. </p>
<p>Sometimes the situation calls for a tyrant, relatively benign, but authoritarian and able to squash the AOC/Tlaib/Kamala/Fauxahontas crowd like the bugs they are. Why are so many of these  bat-sh*t people female, BTW ?</p>
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		By: Mike K		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2019/02/12/border-deal/#comment-2423075</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2019 15:03:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Manju favors us with  his(her?) wish list.

The economy is roaring. The wall is going to be built.

Baltimore now has 2/3 of school students the children of immigrants who don&#039;t speak English.

What else can Democrats accomplish ?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Manju favors us with  his(her?) wish list.</p>
<p>The economy is roaring. The wall is going to be built.</p>
<p>Baltimore now has 2/3 of school students the children of immigrants who don&#8217;t speak English.</p>
<p>What else can Democrats accomplish ?</p>
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		By: om		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2019/02/12/border-deal/#comment-2423073</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2019 14:51:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Manju:

The fat lady hasn&#039;t sung yet, but Hillary is still not and never will be  the President.  Nor will the Ice Queen, nor will Fauxahauntas, and probably not Ms Sleeps Around town with Brown.  How were the crickets?  No wisdom on Virginia and infanticide?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Manju:</p>
<p>The fat lady hasn&#8217;t sung yet, but Hillary is still not and never will be  the President.  Nor will the Ice Queen, nor will Fauxahauntas, and probably not Ms Sleeps Around town with Brown.  How were the crickets?  No wisdom on Virginia and infanticide?</p>
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		By: Barry Meislin		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2019/02/12/border-deal/#comment-2423064</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2019 13:04:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;...been had.&quot;

Can say that again....
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2019/02/12/nbc_dilanian_senate_probe_finds_no_evidence_of_russian_collusion_in_trump_campaign.html

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/jan/3/steele-dossier-was-hillary-clintons-insurance-poli/

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6695767/Lisa-Page-Quid-pro-quo-State-Dept-staff-helped-classified-Hillary-email.html]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;been had.&#8221;</p>
<p>Can say that again&#8230;.<br />
<a href="https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2019/02/12/nbc_dilanian_senate_probe_finds_no_evidence_of_russian_collusion_in_trump_campaign.html" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2019/02/12/nbc_dilanian_senate_probe_finds_no_evidence_of_russian_collusion_in_trump_campaign.html</a></p>
<p><a href="https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/jan/3/steele-dossier-was-hillary-clintons-insurance-poli/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/jan/3/steele-dossier-was-hillary-clintons-insurance-poli/</a></p>
<p><a href="https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6695767/Lisa-Page-Quid-pro-quo-State-Dept-staff-helped-classified-Hillary-email.html" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6695767/Lisa-Page-Quid-pro-quo-State-Dept-staff-helped-classified-Hillary-email.html</a></p>
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		By: Manju		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2019/02/12/border-deal/#comment-2423056</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Manju]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2019 10:54:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[There&#039;s no wall because, according to General Kelly, Trump long ago abandoned the wall as originally conceived: concrete, great wall of china. Mexico ain&#039;t paying for it either and, to your credit, most of you realized this was horseshit from the beginning. 

If Trump wanted to build a wall he would&#039;ve done so when he had control of both houses. I know, there&#039;s a filibuster...but he could&#039;ve used reconciliation. In that case, all he had to do was twist the arm of 1 or 2 some Liberal Republicans or convert a Bluedog. The House was a gimme.

Now the House is like facing Tom Brady. Fuggetaboutit. 

There ain&#039;t no wall. Mexico ain&#039;t paying for it. Obamacare&#039;s still the law of the land. All he did was re-name Nafta (most of you here, again to your credit, appear aware of this), and North Korea ain&#039;t denuclearizing. 

To top it off he went deficit-spending. You&#039;ve been had.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s no wall because, according to General Kelly, Trump long ago abandoned the wall as originally conceived: concrete, great wall of china. Mexico ain&#8217;t paying for it either and, to your credit, most of you realized this was horseshit from the beginning. </p>
<p>If Trump wanted to build a wall he would&#8217;ve done so when he had control of both houses. I know, there&#8217;s a filibuster&#8230;but he could&#8217;ve used reconciliation. In that case, all he had to do was twist the arm of 1 or 2 some Liberal Republicans or convert a Bluedog. The House was a gimme.</p>
<p>Now the House is like facing Tom Brady. Fuggetaboutit. </p>
<p>There ain&#8217;t no wall. Mexico ain&#8217;t paying for it. Obamacare&#8217;s still the law of the land. All he did was re-name Nafta (most of you here, again to your credit, appear aware of this), and North Korea ain&#8217;t denuclearizing. </p>
<p>To top it off he went deficit-spending. You&#8217;ve been had.</p>
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		By: parker		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2019/02/12/border-deal/#comment-2423046</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2019 06:26:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Aesop,

Well, ok. That solves the invasion crisis.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aesop,</p>
<p>Well, ok. That solves the invasion crisis.</p>
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		By: Julie near Chicago		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2019/02/12/border-deal/#comment-2423035</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Julie near Chicago]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2019 04:33:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Aesop, I am now off to do exactly that.  Thanks.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aesop, I am now off to do exactly that.  Thanks.</p>
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		By: Banned Lizard		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2019/02/12/border-deal/#comment-2423034</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Banned Lizard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2019 04:30:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[El Chapo&#039;s assets would get most of the wall built.  I do recall someone saying that our neighbors to the south would financially assist.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>El Chapo&#8217;s assets would get most of the wall built.  I do recall someone saying that our neighbors to the south would financially assist.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2019/02/12/border-deal/#comment-2423019</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AesopFan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2019 01:10:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Border Deal -&#062; Negotiations -&#062; Democrats -&#062; Socialism.
Yeah, I can shoe-horn in this post. (paragraphs &#038; emphasis added)

https://accordingtohoyt.com/2019/02/12/i-want-to-teach-the-world-to-sing-a-blast-from-the-past-from-january-2014/

&lt;blockquote&gt;The problem I have is with believing that you should do something that “contributes to society” beyond, you know, what people are willing to pay you for.

The reason I object to this, is that this sort of do-goodism tends to fall into the “Christmas gifts to total strangers.”  &lt;b&gt;You’re giving someone things they don’t want, at great expense to yourself, and the things will just get discarded or used in ways you’ll never think of.  In the worst case scenario, in which your desire to ‘give back to society’ leads you to become a politician, you end up making laws to make people use those ‘gifts’ that you insist on giving them because you’re sure they’re good for them.  &lt;/b&gt;
Obamacare for instance, is sort of like passing a law that forces everyone to wear the Christmas sweater knit by their aunt Peggy, the one with the odd color tastes, who is near blind and has the attention span of a hamster, so that the thing is ugly, shoddy and full of dropped stitches that start unravelling the moment you put the sweater on.
...
This idea of doing something “to benefit” faceless others, whether they’re “society” or “the people.” When I was eight, my father told me that the greatest crimes against humanity have been committed in the name of “the people” – I’m now fifty one.  I have only seen this confirmed over and over again.

The reason for this is that “the people” or “society” can’t talk.  (Not really.  Yes, there’s polls.  There’s also lies, damn lies and statistics.)  &lt;b&gt;That means that “doing something for the people” becomes “doing something to the people” which involves in turn “forcing the people to do things I want.”  &lt;/b&gt;And the “best” part is you can do it with a glow of virtue because you’re “giving back to society” for all the roads and internet and things.

The sheer and rank stupidity of these “altruistic” “gifts” to society is obvious when you think of trying to “give back” to say, your family.  No, seriously.  
...
If you can’t “give back” to your nearest and dearest with any degree of accuracy – beyond doing your part in the running of house and family – even supposing you owe society something… HOW are you going to give it back?

&lt;b&gt;If only there were some way to be able to tell when society wants something.  I mean, wants it enough to value it, &lt;/b&gt;and not to receive it with a half-embarrassed smile and a “thank you, aunt Peggy” and then pitch it in the trash – laws allowing?  If only there were some arcane way of telling when someone wanted something enough!

Oh, I know – we’ll have these tokens that people can give each other in exchange for goods and services – cool, uh?

You’ll know that a good or service is needed/wanted by how many tokens people are willing to give you for it.

It’s a little risky, of course.  Say that you wish to do something, and train for it, and later find that no one will give you tokens for it.  There will be a few of those tragedies, but fortunately the cost will be born by individuals and is usually recoverable-from, since all skills have auxiliary skills that can be used to get the tokens, even though they might not be what the person REALLY wants to do.  But they can do that in their spare time, when they’ve exchanged their tokens for food and rent, right?

At least we can dispense with the massive bureaucracy to weigh the contributions of engineers one through twenty four and decide what compensation they should receive!  Yeah.  Let’s install the token-exchange system.

What?  What do you mean it’s already been done?  Oh.  I see.  Og sold the secret of fire for enough salt to put on the meat he cooked?  Miraculous.  &lt;b&gt;You mean he didn’t invent fire “to give back to society” for the pelts and things he got? &lt;/b&gt;And then, over time, the exchange evolved to symbolic tokens, so we can all shop for what we want and need without carrying a live goat in each pocket?  
And all of this takes place on its own, without government intervention?  And in fact goes on despite government intervention, in the form of black markets, in tyrannies?  And it gives us an accurate representation of what large numbers of people want and need?  (Don’t blame me if what they want and need is often the sham wow.) 

Who would have thought of that?
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RTWT]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Border Deal -&gt; Negotiations -&gt; Democrats -&gt; Socialism.<br />
Yeah, I can shoe-horn in this post. (paragraphs &amp; emphasis added)</p>
<p><a href="https://accordingtohoyt.com/2019/02/12/i-want-to-teach-the-world-to-sing-a-blast-from-the-past-from-january-2014/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://accordingtohoyt.com/2019/02/12/i-want-to-teach-the-world-to-sing-a-blast-from-the-past-from-january-2014/</a></p>
<blockquote><p>The problem I have is with believing that you should do something that “contributes to society” beyond, you know, what people are willing to pay you for.</p>
<p>The reason I object to this, is that this sort of do-goodism tends to fall into the “Christmas gifts to total strangers.”  <b>You’re giving someone things they don’t want, at great expense to yourself, and the things will just get discarded or used in ways you’ll never think of.  In the worst case scenario, in which your desire to ‘give back to society’ leads you to become a politician, you end up making laws to make people use those ‘gifts’ that you insist on giving them because you’re sure they’re good for them.  </b><br />
Obamacare for instance, is sort of like passing a law that forces everyone to wear the Christmas sweater knit by their aunt Peggy, the one with the odd color tastes, who is near blind and has the attention span of a hamster, so that the thing is ugly, shoddy and full of dropped stitches that start unravelling the moment you put the sweater on.<br />
&#8230;<br />
This idea of doing something “to benefit” faceless others, whether they’re “society” or “the people.” When I was eight, my father told me that the greatest crimes against humanity have been committed in the name of “the people” – I’m now fifty one.  I have only seen this confirmed over and over again.</p>
<p>The reason for this is that “the people” or “society” can’t talk.  (Not really.  Yes, there’s polls.  There’s also lies, damn lies and statistics.)  <b>That means that “doing something for the people” becomes “doing something to the people” which involves in turn “forcing the people to do things I want.”  </b>And the “best” part is you can do it with a glow of virtue because you’re “giving back to society” for all the roads and internet and things.</p>
<p>The sheer and rank stupidity of these “altruistic” “gifts” to society is obvious when you think of trying to “give back” to say, your family.  No, seriously.<br />
&#8230;<br />
If you can’t “give back” to your nearest and dearest with any degree of accuracy – beyond doing your part in the running of house and family – even supposing you owe society something… HOW are you going to give it back?</p>
<p><b>If only there were some way to be able to tell when society wants something.  I mean, wants it enough to value it, </b>and not to receive it with a half-embarrassed smile and a “thank you, aunt Peggy” and then pitch it in the trash – laws allowing?  If only there were some arcane way of telling when someone wanted something enough!</p>
<p>Oh, I know – we’ll have these tokens that people can give each other in exchange for goods and services – cool, uh?</p>
<p>You’ll know that a good or service is needed/wanted by how many tokens people are willing to give you for it.</p>
<p>It’s a little risky, of course.  Say that you wish to do something, and train for it, and later find that no one will give you tokens for it.  There will be a few of those tragedies, but fortunately the cost will be born by individuals and is usually recoverable-from, since all skills have auxiliary skills that can be used to get the tokens, even though they might not be what the person REALLY wants to do.  But they can do that in their spare time, when they’ve exchanged their tokens for food and rent, right?</p>
<p>At least we can dispense with the massive bureaucracy to weigh the contributions of engineers one through twenty four and decide what compensation they should receive!  Yeah.  Let’s install the token-exchange system.</p>
<p>What?  What do you mean it’s already been done?  Oh.  I see.  Og sold the secret of fire for enough salt to put on the meat he cooked?  Miraculous.  <b>You mean he didn’t invent fire “to give back to society” for the pelts and things he got? </b>And then, over time, the exchange evolved to symbolic tokens, so we can all shop for what we want and need without carrying a live goat in each pocket?<br />
And all of this takes place on its own, without government intervention?  And in fact goes on despite government intervention, in the form of black markets, in tyrannies?  And it gives us an accurate representation of what large numbers of people want and need?  (Don’t blame me if what they want and need is often the sham wow.) </p>
<p>Who would have thought of that?
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<p>RTWT</p>
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