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		By: Richard Saunders		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[neo -- Wow!  I only knew about a handful of those.  Of course, I was post-Beatles by 1969 and most of them were released after that.  Remember the scene in &quot;The Big Chill&quot; when Jeff Goldblum says (IIRC), &quot;You know, there&#039;s been a lot of good music written after 1968.&quot;  Kevin Kline answers, &quot;Not in this house, there hasn&#039;t!&quot;  Kevin Kline was channeling me in that scene..]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>neo &#8212; Wow!  I only knew about a handful of those.  Of course, I was post-Beatles by 1969 and most of them were released after that.  Remember the scene in &#8220;The Big Chill&#8221; when Jeff Goldblum says (IIRC), &#8220;You know, there&#8217;s been a lot of good music written after 1968.&#8221;  Kevin Kline answers, &#8220;Not in this house, there hasn&#8217;t!&#8221;  Kevin Kline was channeling me in that scene..</p>
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		By: FOAF		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2019 03:34:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;I am wondering if a preference for the first-half Beatles over the second half reflects attitudes about the changing social conditions. The Beatles both led and followed, in that regard.&quot;

That is an astute observation, Kai.  The Beatles started out as a pop band, indeed the archetypal &quot;boy band&quot;.  As things changed (I won&#039;t say &quot;progressed&quot;) in the 60s I believe they were conscious of not wanting to be left behind and suddenly become dated so their music changed with them.  And don&#039;t forget that at that time none of them was more than 25 years old.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I am wondering if a preference for the first-half Beatles over the second half reflects attitudes about the changing social conditions. The Beatles both led and followed, in that regard.&#8221;</p>
<p>That is an astute observation, Kai.  The Beatles started out as a pop band, indeed the archetypal &#8220;boy band&#8221;.  As things changed (I won&#8217;t say &#8220;progressed&#8221;) in the 60s I believe they were conscious of not wanting to be left behind and suddenly become dated so their music changed with them.  And don&#8217;t forget that at that time none of them was more than 25 years old.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2019 03:14:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[FOAF on February 10, 2019 at 8:50 pm at 8:50 pm said:
“it’s hard to describe why their earlier work was great, too, but all I can say is that at the time it sounded completely fresh and wonderful. ”

When an artist emerges who is not only groundbreaking but influential, it can be hard to understand many years later what all the fuss was about. Because their influence may have been so pervasive that what was once fresh and new has now become commonplace.
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This is also noticeable in films, and now especially in &quot;special effects&quot; -- I recently watched &quot;La Belle et la Bête&quot; by Cocteau, which had super-duper-de-looper cinematographic effects in 1946, but now is, well, kind of cheesy.
The story line has some of the same problems: it was praised at the time for its deep, and sometimes funny, characters, and its touching romance, but now the plotting is quite dated.
And let&#039;s not get started on &quot;Star Trek: The Original Series.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FOAF on February 10, 2019 at 8:50 pm at 8:50 pm said:<br />
“it’s hard to describe why their earlier work was great, too, but all I can say is that at the time it sounded completely fresh and wonderful. ”</p>
<p>When an artist emerges who is not only groundbreaking but influential, it can be hard to understand many years later what all the fuss was about. Because their influence may have been so pervasive that what was once fresh and new has now become commonplace.<br />
* * *<br />
This is also noticeable in films, and now especially in &#8220;special effects&#8221; &#8212; I recently watched &#8220;La Belle et la Bête&#8221; by Cocteau, which had super-duper-de-looper cinematographic effects in 1946, but now is, well, kind of cheesy.<br />
The story line has some of the same problems: it was praised at the time for its deep, and sometimes funny, characters, and its touching romance, but now the plotting is quite dated.<br />
And let&#8217;s not get started on &#8220;Star Trek: The Original Series.&#8221;</p>
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		By: neo		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2019 23:50:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Richard Saunders:

That&#039;s weird that he didn&#039;t know that.  Maybe because it was the 80s.  Anyone who was young in the 60s would certainly know about their covers, but maybe he was too young to remember.  The ones that immediately come to mind for me are &quot;You Really Got a Hold On Me&quot; (a great song) and &quot;Till There Was You,&quot; which is from the musical &quot;The Music Man.&quot;

There are many more, too. &lt;a href=&quot;http://ultimateclassicrock.com/beatles-cover-songs/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Here&#039;s a list&lt;/a&gt; of 10 of them, and it&#039;s not all-inclusive; it&#039;s supposed to be the top ten covers they made.  &lt;a href=&quot;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_songs_covered_by_the_Beatles&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Here&#039;s a list&lt;/a&gt; that I assume is the definitive one.  There are a LOT of songs on that list. But a great many hadn&#039;t been recorded yet when you had your bet with your friend.  However, a great many already had: 25 of them.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard Saunders:</p>
<p>That&#8217;s weird that he didn&#8217;t know that.  Maybe because it was the 80s.  Anyone who was young in the 60s would certainly know about their covers, but maybe he was too young to remember.  The ones that immediately come to mind for me are &#8220;You Really Got a Hold On Me&#8221; (a great song) and &#8220;Till There Was You,&#8221; which is from the musical &#8220;The Music Man.&#8221;</p>
<p>There are many more, too. <a href="http://ultimateclassicrock.com/beatles-cover-songs/" rel="nofollow">Here&#8217;s a list</a> of 10 of them, and it&#8217;s not all-inclusive; it&#8217;s supposed to be the top ten covers they made.  <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_songs_covered_by_the_Beatles" rel="nofollow">Here&#8217;s a list</a> that I assume is the definitive one.  There are a LOT of songs on that list. But a great many hadn&#8217;t been recorded yet when you had your bet with your friend.  However, a great many already had: 25 of them.</p>
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		By: Richard Saunders		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2019 23:38:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The last time I made a bet (barring my pre-election bet with parker that he has refused to pay) was in 1981, when a jerk in my office said the Beatles had only recorded their own songs.  I bet him a lunch.  I said, &quot;&#039;Roll over, Beethoven,&#039; by Mr. Charles Edward Anderson Berry.&quot;  The look on his face was priceless.  He paid up, too!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The last time I made a bet (barring my pre-election bet with parker that he has refused to pay) was in 1981, when a jerk in my office said the Beatles had only recorded their own songs.  I bet him a lunch.  I said, &#8220;&#8216;Roll over, Beethoven,&#8217; by Mr. Charles Edward Anderson Berry.&#8221;  The look on his face was priceless.  He paid up, too!</p>
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		By: Kai Akker		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2019 23:12:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[FOAF, if you still see this, I am wondering if a preference for the first-half Beatles over the second half reflects attitudes about the changing social conditions. The Beatles both led and followed, in that regard. The drugs, the gurus, the fancier production, the ambiguous lyrics and increasing sourness reflect exactly how &#039;60s life was going, at least in my America. And I was somewhat caught up in it myself, but sensing a fraction of the malevolence that was taking over. That&#039;s a strong word. But Manson, Altamont, when was Son of Sam? Etc.  The beauty of the earlier Beatles includes (for me) that sense of loving affirmation they could express.  It was above and beyond all the other perfectly cool sounds and songs from the rest of the &quot;British Invasion.&quot;

Griffin, thanks for the titles.  Yes, we have differing tastes. That&#039;s cool too. 

Love, love, love…..]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FOAF, if you still see this, I am wondering if a preference for the first-half Beatles over the second half reflects attitudes about the changing social conditions. The Beatles both led and followed, in that regard. The drugs, the gurus, the fancier production, the ambiguous lyrics and increasing sourness reflect exactly how &#8217;60s life was going, at least in my America. And I was somewhat caught up in it myself, but sensing a fraction of the malevolence that was taking over. That&#8217;s a strong word. But Manson, Altamont, when was Son of Sam? Etc.  The beauty of the earlier Beatles includes (for me) that sense of loving affirmation they could express.  It was above and beyond all the other perfectly cool sounds and songs from the rest of the &#8220;British Invasion.&#8221;</p>
<p>Griffin, thanks for the titles.  Yes, we have differing tastes. That&#8217;s cool too. </p>
<p>Love, love, love…..</p>
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		By: TommyJay		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2019 17:41:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In the opposite direction of Gladys Knight&#039;s rendition of &quot;I will survive,&quot; there&#039;s an old movie entitled &quot;The Replacements&quot; that includes a couple comedic versions of the song.  Keanu Reeves leading a bunch of football players who will soon get the axe sing the song.

Another one that comes to mind, and I&#039;m sure Beatles lovers will disagree, is the song &quot;Across the Universe&quot; as performed in the film &quot;Pleasantville&quot; by Fiona Apple.  While the original is good, I thought the Apple version really captured the spacey ethereal feeling better.  She also slowed it down.  I somehow missed the fact that it was a Beatles song, so when I first heard it I assumed it was an original of the female artist.  Then years later I heard the Beatles version on the radio.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the opposite direction of Gladys Knight&#8217;s rendition of &#8220;I will survive,&#8221; there&#8217;s an old movie entitled &#8220;The Replacements&#8221; that includes a couple comedic versions of the song.  Keanu Reeves leading a bunch of football players who will soon get the axe sing the song.</p>
<p>Another one that comes to mind, and I&#8217;m sure Beatles lovers will disagree, is the song &#8220;Across the Universe&#8221; as performed in the film &#8220;Pleasantville&#8221; by Fiona Apple.  While the original is good, I thought the Apple version really captured the spacey ethereal feeling better.  She also slowed it down.  I somehow missed the fact that it was a Beatles song, so when I first heard it I assumed it was an original of the female artist.  Then years later I heard the Beatles version on the radio.</p>
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		By: KevinM		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2019 13:56:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I prefer both these covers of Sound of Silence to the original.

Disturbed - https://youtu.be/u9Dg-g7t2l4

Puddles - https://youtu.be/U3RXf0E_Vuw




Postmodern Jukebox on YouTube does a selection of retro covers...

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCORIeT1hk6tYBuntEXsguLg

Some translated backwards better than others, but there&#039;s some good stuff in there.  I think (after watching a lot of PMJ) that a good song will still be a good song in a different style, but a bad song will still suck.  I also believe that if I were a professional musician, I wouldn&#039;t consider my career a success until Weird Al covers one of my tunes.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I prefer both these covers of Sound of Silence to the original.</p>
<p>Disturbed &#8211; <a href="https://youtu.be/u9Dg-g7t2l4" rel="nofollow ugc">https://youtu.be/u9Dg-g7t2l4</a></p>
<p>Puddles &#8211; <a href="https://youtu.be/U3RXf0E_Vuw" rel="nofollow ugc">https://youtu.be/U3RXf0E_Vuw</a></p>
<p>Postmodern Jukebox on YouTube does a selection of retro covers&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCORIeT1hk6tYBuntEXsguLg" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCORIeT1hk6tYBuntEXsguLg</a></p>
<p>Some translated backwards better than others, but there&#8217;s some good stuff in there.  I think (after watching a lot of PMJ) that a good song will still be a good song in a different style, but a bad song will still suck.  I also believe that if I were a professional musician, I wouldn&#8217;t consider my career a success until Weird Al covers one of my tunes.</p>
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		By: FOAF		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Kai, though &quot;Every Little Thing&quot; is a great song I might disagree with you about liking it better than &quot;Strawberry Fields&quot; which is near the top of my list of favorite Beatle songs.   But the real point is that the Beatles&#039; songbook is so rich and diverse there is something there for almost everybody.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kai, though &#8220;Every Little Thing&#8221; is a great song I might disagree with you about liking it better than &#8220;Strawberry Fields&#8221; which is near the top of my list of favorite Beatle songs.   But the real point is that the Beatles&#8217; songbook is so rich and diverse there is something there for almost everybody.</p>
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		By: FOAF		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2019 01:50:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;it’s hard to describe why their earlier work was great, too, but all I can say is that at the time it sounded completely fresh and wonderful. &quot;

When an artist emerges who is not only groundbreaking but influential, it can be hard to understand many years later what all the fuss was about.  Because their influence may have been so pervasive that what was once fresh and new has now become commonplace.

A more limited example of the same effect is Jimi Hendrix.  A while back I listened to his album &quot;Axis: Bold as Love&quot;, recorded in 1967, and heard nearly every rock guitar cliche of the past 40 years.  Then I realized they *became* cliches because every rock guitarist in the 70s and 80s was trying to copy Hendrix.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;it’s hard to describe why their earlier work was great, too, but all I can say is that at the time it sounded completely fresh and wonderful. &#8221;</p>
<p>When an artist emerges who is not only groundbreaking but influential, it can be hard to understand many years later what all the fuss was about.  Because their influence may have been so pervasive that what was once fresh and new has now become commonplace.</p>
<p>A more limited example of the same effect is Jimi Hendrix.  A while back I listened to his album &#8220;Axis: Bold as Love&#8221;, recorded in 1967, and heard nearly every rock guitar cliche of the past 40 years.  Then I realized they *became* cliches because every rock guitarist in the 70s and 80s was trying to copy Hendrix.</p>
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