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		By: Richard Saunders		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Steve57: my experience has been that everyone is either a Seal or has worked on the SR-71

Steve57, Michael, neo, et al:  Reminds me of when I was stationed in Germany -- every German I met either fought on the Eastern Front or was on vacation in Argentina from 1933-1945.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve57: my experience has been that everyone is either a Seal or has worked on the SR-71</p>
<p>Steve57, Michael, neo, et al:  Reminds me of when I was stationed in Germany &#8212; every German I met either fought on the Eastern Front or was on vacation in Argentina from 1933-1945.</p>
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		By: Richard Saunders		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Saunders]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2019 20:31:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Steve57 said -- 

&quot;It’s important to know that Muslims didn’t invent the idea that Al Andalus was some sort of interfaith Disney land.&quot;

After 9/11 we were listening to Osama in Laden&#039;s speech (in translation, of course), after which Al-Zawari came on.  He said, &quot;and we will reclaim Al-Andalus!&quot;  My wife turned to me and said, &quot;We&#039;re in for big trouble.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve57 said &#8212; </p>
<p>&#8220;It’s important to know that Muslims didn’t invent the idea that Al Andalus was some sort of interfaith Disney land.&#8221;</p>
<p>After 9/11 we were listening to Osama in Laden&#8217;s speech (in translation, of course), after which Al-Zawari came on.  He said, &#8220;and we will reclaim Al-Andalus!&#8221;  My wife turned to me and said, &#8220;We&#8217;re in for big trouble.&#8221;</p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2019 04:55:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[And they say Fox News, NR, and other conservative, right-leaning sites are bad ...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And they say Fox News, NR, and other conservative, right-leaning sites are bad &#8230;</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2019 02:34:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Julie - there are a lot of people saying much the same things, and Steyn says them more wittily than most.  I noticed the Chesterton quote and quite agree.  Conserving is hard work; destroying, not so much.
Also agree with you about Reason&#039;s reflexive genuflection to the Left; all of the conservative media does it.  For instance, they all ran with &quot;smirk&quot; instead of &quot;smile&quot; unless the author deliberately chose to distinguish the two expressions.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Julie &#8211; there are a lot of people saying much the same things, and Steyn says them more wittily than most.  I noticed the Chesterton quote and quite agree.  Conserving is hard work; destroying, not so much.<br />
Also agree with you about Reason&#8217;s reflexive genuflection to the Left; all of the conservative media does it.  For instance, they all ran with &#8220;smirk&#8221; instead of &#8220;smile&#8221; unless the author deliberately chose to distinguish the two expressions.</p>
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		By: Steve57		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2019 01:28:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s important to know that Muslims didn&#039;t invent the idea that Al Andalus was some sort of interfaith Disney land. Protestants did. Visigothic Spain was a very sophisticated place. But it was Catholic. And back in the 18th century Protestants hated all things Catholic (I&#039;m sure some still do). So they concocted a story that everything got better in Spain when the Visigoths were overthrown. 

The myth gained additional purchase when the multiculturalists became ascendant. Then the Saudis picked up on the idea. But none of it is true.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s important to know that Muslims didn&#8217;t invent the idea that Al Andalus was some sort of interfaith Disney land. Protestants did. Visigothic Spain was a very sophisticated place. But it was Catholic. And back in the 18th century Protestants hated all things Catholic (I&#8217;m sure some still do). So they concocted a story that everything got better in Spain when the Visigoths were overthrown. </p>
<p>The myth gained additional purchase when the multiculturalists became ascendant. Then the Saudis picked up on the idea. But none of it is true.</p>
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		By: Julie near Chicago		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2019 01:21:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I am not and never have been an unmitigated fan of &lt;em&gt;Reason,&lt;/em&gt; as it has always struck me as having a certain librul-elitist tendency of its own.  In Robby Soave&#039;s piece, most of which is very good, there is buried this bow to the theme of how the White Man, var. &lt;em&gt;Americaniensis&lt;/em&gt;, looks down on the American Indian* and shows it by mocking the Indian and his culture,  stereotyping him as &quot;savage&quot; and &quot;uncivilized&quot; and &quot;primitive&quot; [my boldface]:

https://reason.com/blog/2019/01/22/nick-sandmann-covington-catholic-racism

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;There are also moments that cast some of the teens in a less-than-favorable light. At least one appears to make a tomahawk chop—&lt;strong&gt;an offensive gesture from sporting events in which team names have been taken from Native American culture.&lt;/strong&gt; That is insensitive behavior that an adult in a position of authority over these young men should discourage in the future.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

This assumption that sporting teams&#039; naming themselves after Indians or some part of  their culture is a gesture of &lt;em&gt;contempt!&lt;/em&gt;, indicative of the teams&#039; looking down on them, is stupid stupid stupid.  These are names taken because the teams want to evoke what they mostly see as the praiseworthiness of Indians, in the context of their existence as competitive teams.  &quot;Fighting&quot; in this context is what the team will  do:  Go out there and &lt;em&gt;fight&lt;/em&gt; to win!

You don&#039;t take on a name because it represents a people you despise.

This is a perfect example of supporting the idea that certain Designated Victim Groups are entitled to a nauseating degree of sensitive concern.

I don&#039;t like it when NRO or TNR or TWS does it and I particularly don&#039;t like it when &lt;em&gt;Reason&lt;/em&gt; does it.  Partly because Nick &#038; his pals are supposed to be devoted to Reason--clear and rigorous thinking--and not supporting ideas that make Cultural Americans out to be a nation of insensitive, incompassionate, stupid, bigoted jerks.  The Ugly American, indeed!

.

Sigh...get over it, ma&#039;am...it&#039;s just another example of the general elitist attitude toward the proles.  It&#039;s sickeningly insulting, but there it is.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not and never have been an unmitigated fan of <em>Reason,</em> as it has always struck me as having a certain librul-elitist tendency of its own.  In Robby Soave&#8217;s piece, most of which is very good, there is buried this bow to the theme of how the White Man, var. <em>Americaniensis</em>, looks down on the American Indian* and shows it by mocking the Indian and his culture,  stereotyping him as &#8220;savage&#8221; and &#8220;uncivilized&#8221; and &#8220;primitive&#8221; [my boldface]:</p>
<p><a href="https://reason.com/blog/2019/01/22/nick-sandmann-covington-catholic-racism" rel="nofollow ugc">https://reason.com/blog/2019/01/22/nick-sandmann-covington-catholic-racism</a></p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;There are also moments that cast some of the teens in a less-than-favorable light. At least one appears to make a tomahawk chop—<strong>an offensive gesture from sporting events in which team names have been taken from Native American culture.</strong> That is insensitive behavior that an adult in a position of authority over these young men should discourage in the future.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>This assumption that sporting teams&#8217; naming themselves after Indians or some part of  their culture is a gesture of <em>contempt!</em>, indicative of the teams&#8217; looking down on them, is stupid stupid stupid.  These are names taken because the teams want to evoke what they mostly see as the praiseworthiness of Indians, in the context of their existence as competitive teams.  &#8220;Fighting&#8221; in this context is what the team will  do:  Go out there and <em>fight</em> to win!</p>
<p>You don&#8217;t take on a name because it represents a people you despise.</p>
<p>This is a perfect example of supporting the idea that certain Designated Victim Groups are entitled to a nauseating degree of sensitive concern.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t like it when NRO or TNR or TWS does it and I particularly don&#8217;t like it when <em>Reason</em> does it.  Partly because Nick &amp; his pals are supposed to be devoted to Reason&#8211;clear and rigorous thinking&#8211;and not supporting ideas that make Cultural Americans out to be a nation of insensitive, incompassionate, stupid, bigoted jerks.  The Ugly American, indeed!</p>
<p>.</p>
<p>Sigh&#8230;get over it, ma&#8217;am&#8230;it&#8217;s just another example of the general elitist attitude toward the proles.  It&#8217;s sickeningly insulting, but there it is.</p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2019 01:15:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[https://www.amazon.com/Myth-Andalusian-Paradise-Christians-Medieval/dp/1610170954

I can highly recommend this book.

&quot;The Myth of the Andalusian Paradise: Muslims, Christians, and Jews under Islamic Rule in Medieval Spain&quot;

If you were not a Muslim in medieval Spain you were not living in any sort of paradise. There has never been anywhere that Muslims ruled that granted non-Muslims anything close to equal rights. Or really anything close to decency. Because while Christians follow the rule that it is God who repays, it&#039;s the duty of Muslims to take revenge on the &quot;unbelievers&quot; in this life.

Quran (3:56) - &quot;As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help.&quot;

Quran (3:151) - &quot;Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority&quot;.

Quran (4:89) - &quot;They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks.&quot;

Quran (4:101) - &quot;And when you (Muslims) travel in the land, there is no sin on you if you shorten your Salat (prayer) if you fear that the disbelievers may attack you, verily, the disbelievers are ever unto you open enemies.&quot;

Quran (5:33) - &quot;The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement&quot;

Quran (8:12) - &quot;(Remember) when your Lord inspired the angels... &quot;I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them&quot;

Quran (8:15) - &quot;O ye who believe! When ye meet those who disbelieve in battle, turn not your backs to them. (16)Whoso on that day turneth his back to them, unless maneuvering for battle or intent to join a company, he truly hath incurred wrath from Allah, and his habitation will be hell, a hapless journey&#039;s end.&quot; 

This is just a small sample of what the book of the Muslims has to say about the rest of us. There is nothing good in it. Which isn&#039;t to say that all Muslims hate other people. There Quran commands them to hate.


Surah 60:4 &quot;There has already been for you an excellent pattern in Abraham and those with him, when they said to their people, &quot;Indeed, we are disassociated from you and from whatever you worship other than Allah . We have denied you, and there has appeared between us and you animosity and hatred forever until you believe in Allah alone&quot; except for the saying of Abraham to his father, &quot;I will surely ask forgiveness for you, but I have not [power to do] for you anything against Allah . Our Lord, upon You we have relied, and to You we have returned, and to You is the destination.&quot;

Seriously. Does any other &quot;Holy Book&quot; contain a command to hate?

In addition to the Bible I&#039;ve read the Vedas and the Tipitaka. Never have I come across a command to hate in any other book. And note that Abraham is an excellent example until he prays for his father.

This, BTW, is why it&#039;s extremely stupid for politicians to praise Islam as &quot;One of the great Abrahamic faiths.&quot; Muslims don&#039;t know the Abraham of the Bible. When idiots like GWB praise Islam as one of the great Abrahamic faiths, Muslims think that he&#039;s praising the fact that Abraham is supposed to hate use.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Myth-Andalusian-Paradise-Christians-Medieval/dp/1610170954" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.amazon.com/Myth-Andalusian-Paradise-Christians-Medieval/dp/1610170954</a></p>
<p>I can highly recommend this book.</p>
<p>&#8220;The Myth of the Andalusian Paradise: Muslims, Christians, and Jews under Islamic Rule in Medieval Spain&#8221;</p>
<p>If you were not a Muslim in medieval Spain you were not living in any sort of paradise. There has never been anywhere that Muslims ruled that granted non-Muslims anything close to equal rights. Or really anything close to decency. Because while Christians follow the rule that it is God who repays, it&#8217;s the duty of Muslims to take revenge on the &#8220;unbelievers&#8221; in this life.</p>
<p>Quran (3:56) &#8211; &#8220;As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help.&#8221;</p>
<p>Quran (3:151) &#8211; &#8220;Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority&#8221;.</p>
<p>Quran (4:89) &#8211; &#8220;They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks.&#8221;</p>
<p>Quran (4:101) &#8211; &#8220;And when you (Muslims) travel in the land, there is no sin on you if you shorten your Salat (prayer) if you fear that the disbelievers may attack you, verily, the disbelievers are ever unto you open enemies.&#8221;</p>
<p>Quran (5:33) &#8211; &#8220;The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement&#8221;</p>
<p>Quran (8:12) &#8211; &#8220;(Remember) when your Lord inspired the angels&#8230; &#8220;I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them&#8221;</p>
<p>Quran (8:15) &#8211; &#8220;O ye who believe! When ye meet those who disbelieve in battle, turn not your backs to them. (16)Whoso on that day turneth his back to them, unless maneuvering for battle or intent to join a company, he truly hath incurred wrath from Allah, and his habitation will be hell, a hapless journey&#8217;s end.&#8221; </p>
<p>This is just a small sample of what the book of the Muslims has to say about the rest of us. There is nothing good in it. Which isn&#8217;t to say that all Muslims hate other people. There Quran commands them to hate.</p>
<p>Surah 60:4 &#8220;There has already been for you an excellent pattern in Abraham and those with him, when they said to their people, &#8220;Indeed, we are disassociated from you and from whatever you worship other than Allah . We have denied you, and there has appeared between us and you animosity and hatred forever until you believe in Allah alone&#8221; except for the saying of Abraham to his father, &#8220;I will surely ask forgiveness for you, but I have not [power to do] for you anything against Allah . Our Lord, upon You we have relied, and to You we have returned, and to You is the destination.&#8221;</p>
<p>Seriously. Does any other &#8220;Holy Book&#8221; contain a command to hate?</p>
<p>In addition to the Bible I&#8217;ve read the Vedas and the Tipitaka. Never have I come across a command to hate in any other book. And note that Abraham is an excellent example until he prays for his father.</p>
<p>This, BTW, is why it&#8217;s extremely stupid for politicians to praise Islam as &#8220;One of the great Abrahamic faiths.&#8221; Muslims don&#8217;t know the Abraham of the Bible. When idiots like GWB praise Islam as one of the great Abrahamic faiths, Muslims think that he&#8217;s praising the fact that Abraham is supposed to hate use.</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[AesopFan,

You have certainly expressed my opinions about this whole nauseating fracas most excellently well.  (Redundancy for extra oomph.) 

Thanks for the Steyn, by the way.  And, from a comment to his column:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Sol • Jan 22, 2019 at 22:53

GK Chesterton described Cardinal John Henry Newman&#039;s &quot;theory of development&quot;:

&quot;All conservatism is based upon the idea that if you leave things alone you leave them as they are.

&quot;But you do not. If you leave a thing alone you leave it to a torrent of change. If you leave a white post alone it will soon be a black post. If you particularly want it to be white you must be always painting it again; that is, you must be always having a revolution. Briefly, if you want the old white post you must have a new white post.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Thanks also for the mention of the Kundera book.  On the list.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AesopFan,</p>
<p>You have certainly expressed my opinions about this whole nauseating fracas most excellently well.  (Redundancy for extra oomph.) </p>
<p>Thanks for the Steyn, by the way.  And, from a comment to his column:</p>
<blockquote><p>Sol • Jan 22, 2019 at 22:53</p>
<p>GK Chesterton described Cardinal John Henry Newman&#8217;s &#8220;theory of development&#8221;:</p>
<p>&#8220;All conservatism is based upon the idea that if you leave things alone you leave them as they are.</p>
<p>&#8220;But you do not. If you leave a thing alone you leave it to a torrent of change. If you leave a white post alone it will soon be a black post. If you particularly want it to be white you must be always painting it again; that is, you must be always having a revolution. Briefly, if you want the old white post you must have a new white post.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Thanks also for the mention of the Kundera book.  On the list.</p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2019 00:31:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=3&#038;v=UmgMEu_9n1s

&quot;Islamic Holocaust of India (Part 1)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfxzFELB8To

&quot;Islamic Holocaust of India (Part 2)&quot;]]></description>
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<p>&#8220;Islamic Holocaust of India (Part 1)</p>
<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfxzFELB8To" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfxzFELB8To</a></p>
<p>&#8220;Islamic Holocaust of India (Part 2)&#8221;</p>
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