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		By: Julie near Chicago		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Julie near Chicago]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2019 04:05:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m an idiot.  Neo linked to that very article in her posting of that day.  Somehow I jumped into Ymarsakar&#039; comment with an excerpt, and tracked down the article from the excerpt.

Solly.   :&#062;(((

Well, Neo was quite right to link to it.  It&#039;s very good.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m an idiot.  Neo linked to that very article in her posting of that day.  Somehow I jumped into Ymarsakar&#8217; comment with an excerpt, and tracked down the article from the excerpt.</p>
<p>Solly.   :&gt;(((</p>
<p>Well, Neo was quite right to link to it.  It&#8217;s very good.</p>
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		By: Julie near Chicago		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Julie near Chicago]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2019 03:26:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve followed Neo&#039;s links to some of her earlier postings on this topic.  In one of them, Ymarsakar 

https://www.thenewneo.com/2013/10/16/the-day-the-university-died/#comment-673700

includes an excerpt from the 2009 &lt;em&gt;City Journal&lt;/em&gt; piece, entitled &quot;Cornell&#039;s Straight Flush,&quot; subtitled &quot;Forty years after the student center was occupied, the destructive effects linger.&quot; 

https://www.city-journal.org/html/cornell%E2%80%99s-straight-flush-10659.html

Fascinating article.  An overview of the events at Cornell, and mentions of the actions and reactions of many of today&#039;s well-known Names, such as Allan Bloom, Thomas Sowell, Alan Keyes.  

The destructive effects lingered, as in 1996 when Al Sharpton showed up....]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve followed Neo&#8217;s links to some of her earlier postings on this topic.  In one of them, Ymarsakar </p>
<p><a href="https://www.thenewneo.com/2013/10/16/the-day-the-university-died/#comment-673700" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.thenewneo.com/2013/10/16/the-day-the-university-died/#comment-673700</a></p>
<p>includes an excerpt from the 2009 <em>City Journal</em> piece, entitled &#8220;Cornell&#8217;s Straight Flush,&#8221; subtitled &#8220;Forty years after the student center was occupied, the destructive effects linger.&#8221; </p>
<p><a href="https://www.city-journal.org/html/cornell%E2%80%99s-straight-flush-10659.html" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.city-journal.org/html/cornell%E2%80%99s-straight-flush-10659.html</a></p>
<p>Fascinating article.  An overview of the events at Cornell, and mentions of the actions and reactions of many of today&#8217;s well-known Names, such as Allan Bloom, Thomas Sowell, Alan Keyes.  </p>
<p>The destructive effects lingered, as in 1996 when Al Sharpton showed up&#8230;.</p>
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		By: Art Deco		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Art Deco]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2019 11:23:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;What gave birth to that wretched limp-wristed spawn of highly placed administrators? Mind, this was all 22 or so years after WWII, when the “Greatest Generation” was in early middle age, not at all edentulous. It seems hard to lay this at the doors of Gramsci or communists. It is more like a very contagious virus limited to academia that obliterated common sense, judgment and morals. &lt;/i&gt;

Recall that George McGovern was a combat veteran, and, before entering electoral politics, a college teacher.  

Garry Wills made an attempt to explore the issue you&#039;ve raised in &lt;i&gt;Nixon Agonistes&lt;/i&gt;, but he didn&#039;t delineate any compelling conclusions.  He did note that academics live by their &#039;reputation&#039; and are ever rating theirs against others.  Its a trade that attracts other-directed people and inculcates an other-directed disposition.  Those who aren&#039;t other-directed often are people who&#039;ve got issues and were attracted to the weak labor discipline of faculty employment.  One of the principals in the Cornell surrender was Steven Mueller.  I crossed paths with the man a dozen years later.  A glad-hander, as far as I could tell.  My hypothesis would be that the self-concept of academics induced a grave inhibition about taking a stand.  Then you have wretched institutional leadership courtesy James Perkins.  On top of that, Cornell is a bulbous university (currently 20,000 students) located in a burgh with about 45,000 people living in it, a burgh which isn&#039;t served by either the Interstate system or the U.S. Route system.  Restoring order meant persuading Gov. Rockefeller to send in the state police or the National Guard, probably both.  I&#039;d wager Rockefeller&#039;d have been willing (he had a law-and-order bias), but, again, the faculty and administration would have to live with themselves afterward.  A normal person certainly could.  Faculty are not normal.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>What gave birth to that wretched limp-wristed spawn of highly placed administrators? Mind, this was all 22 or so years after WWII, when the “Greatest Generation” was in early middle age, not at all edentulous. It seems hard to lay this at the doors of Gramsci or communists. It is more like a very contagious virus limited to academia that obliterated common sense, judgment and morals. </i></p>
<p>Recall that George McGovern was a combat veteran, and, before entering electoral politics, a college teacher.  </p>
<p>Garry Wills made an attempt to explore the issue you&#8217;ve raised in <i>Nixon Agonistes</i>, but he didn&#8217;t delineate any compelling conclusions.  He did note that academics live by their &#8216;reputation&#8217; and are ever rating theirs against others.  Its a trade that attracts other-directed people and inculcates an other-directed disposition.  Those who aren&#8217;t other-directed often are people who&#8217;ve got issues and were attracted to the weak labor discipline of faculty employment.  One of the principals in the Cornell surrender was Steven Mueller.  I crossed paths with the man a dozen years later.  A glad-hander, as far as I could tell.  My hypothesis would be that the self-concept of academics induced a grave inhibition about taking a stand.  Then you have wretched institutional leadership courtesy James Perkins.  On top of that, Cornell is a bulbous university (currently 20,000 students) located in a burgh with about 45,000 people living in it, a burgh which isn&#8217;t served by either the Interstate system or the U.S. Route system.  Restoring order meant persuading Gov. Rockefeller to send in the state police or the National Guard, probably both.  I&#8217;d wager Rockefeller&#8217;d have been willing (he had a law-and-order bias), but, again, the faculty and administration would have to live with themselves afterward.  A normal person certainly could.  Faculty are not normal.</p>
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		By: Julie near Chicago		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Julie near Chicago]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2019 10:06:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I started college in 1961, when I was 18.  My school was Chicago, which escaped most of the actual violence.  But I do remember the student agitpropists, SDS, CORE, SNCC -- not sure about the NAACP; it seems to me they weren&#039;t much into violence or even rebellion at the time.  But those three alone were enough to make you weep and lose your lunch.

The New Left set the stage for a lot of this stuff beginning in the &#039;50s, I gather from David Horowitz&#039;s confessional autobiography &lt;em&gt;Radical Son&lt;/em&gt;.  Which is a page-turner and a Must Read.

And a lot of the New Left kiddies had Communist or Fellow-Traveller parents.  And not all the Communists had been particularly fastidious about observing the niceties of civility.  I remember reading somewhere on the Wonderful World-Wide Web some gentleman who attested to the strong-arm Mafia-like tactics of some of them, who would hold up shopkeepers for protection money;  he knew from personal experience, he said, because his father, like others in the area (of NYC, I think), had been among their prey.

Also, people like Marcuse and Hofstatder had captured the imagination of many of the faculties in the &#039;50s and &#039;60s.  And they came out of the Frankfurt School tradition.

And the Civil Rights Movement itself probably exhibited mayhem as a glamorous way to be recognized by the In Crowd, for those who were so inclined.

Remember, the New Left and even many of the children of that era were enchanted with the Black Panthers.  And &quot;Che.&quot;  And Mao.  

And what an adrenaline rush, to be an active Rebel out there &lt;em&gt;doing&lt;/em&gt; things!

I was very, very close to an older woman of considerable common sense who nevertheless fell for Rachel Carson (no shame in that, though, most laymen of the time did, if that sort of thing interested them).  And for the Berrigans.  I don&#039;t know how much farther her sympathies went down that path; I hope she came to her senses before she died.  She always felt for the underdog.  Horowitz has talked about the American romance with the Underdog....

I think that there were a lot of factors that went into &quot;that slum of a decade.&quot;  (As John Updike called it, I understand, though for reasons just about opposite to mine.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I started college in 1961, when I was 18.  My school was Chicago, which escaped most of the actual violence.  But I do remember the student agitpropists, SDS, CORE, SNCC &#8212; not sure about the NAACP; it seems to me they weren&#8217;t much into violence or even rebellion at the time.  But those three alone were enough to make you weep and lose your lunch.</p>
<p>The New Left set the stage for a lot of this stuff beginning in the &#8217;50s, I gather from David Horowitz&#8217;s confessional autobiography <em>Radical Son</em>.  Which is a page-turner and a Must Read.</p>
<p>And a lot of the New Left kiddies had Communist or Fellow-Traveller parents.  And not all the Communists had been particularly fastidious about observing the niceties of civility.  I remember reading somewhere on the Wonderful World-Wide Web some gentleman who attested to the strong-arm Mafia-like tactics of some of them, who would hold up shopkeepers for protection money;  he knew from personal experience, he said, because his father, like others in the area (of NYC, I think), had been among their prey.</p>
<p>Also, people like Marcuse and Hofstatder had captured the imagination of many of the faculties in the &#8217;50s and &#8217;60s.  And they came out of the Frankfurt School tradition.</p>
<p>And the Civil Rights Movement itself probably exhibited mayhem as a glamorous way to be recognized by the In Crowd, for those who were so inclined.</p>
<p>Remember, the New Left and even many of the children of that era were enchanted with the Black Panthers.  And &#8220;Che.&#8221;  And Mao.  </p>
<p>And what an adrenaline rush, to be an active Rebel out there <em>doing</em> things!</p>
<p>I was very, very close to an older woman of considerable common sense who nevertheless fell for Rachel Carson (no shame in that, though, most laymen of the time did, if that sort of thing interested them).  And for the Berrigans.  I don&#8217;t know how much farther her sympathies went down that path; I hope she came to her senses before she died.  She always felt for the underdog.  Horowitz has talked about the American romance with the Underdog&#8230;.</p>
<p>I think that there were a lot of factors that went into &#8220;that slum of a decade.&#8221;  (As John Updike called it, I understand, though for reasons just about opposite to mine.)</p>
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		By: Cicero		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cicero]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2019 04:26:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I finished college in &#039;63. I remember the 1960s very well, and on reading Neo&#039;s piece am as full of revulsion today as I was 50-odd years ago.
While I agree 100% with pst314 (&quot;A lot of our problems can be traced to cowardice. Many of the rest to treason.&quot;), I still remain perplexed by the spinelessness, the lack of moral fiber, by those in charge, like Kingman Brewster, Yale president. 

What gave birth to that wretched limp-wristed spawn of highly placed administrators? Mind, this was all 22 or so years after WWII, when the &quot;Greatest Generation&quot; was in early middle age, not at all edentulous. It seems hard to lay this at the doors of Gramsci or communists. It is more like a very contagious virus limited to academia that obliterated common sense, judgment and morals. 

That &#039;virus&#039; has since spread throughout the land, giving us Tlaibs, Ocasio-Cortezes, Betos and more. The common thread between the 1960s and now is the ignorant agitators with violent language (soon to be followed by violent acts) are young, and their vigorously encouraging enablers, the Pelosis and Schumers, are old.

If they succeed, the sun will set on our Republic, never to shine upon us again.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I finished college in &#8217;63. I remember the 1960s very well, and on reading Neo&#8217;s piece am as full of revulsion today as I was 50-odd years ago.<br />
While I agree 100% with pst314 (&#8220;A lot of our problems can be traced to cowardice. Many of the rest to treason.&#8221;), I still remain perplexed by the spinelessness, the lack of moral fiber, by those in charge, like Kingman Brewster, Yale president. </p>
<p>What gave birth to that wretched limp-wristed spawn of highly placed administrators? Mind, this was all 22 or so years after WWII, when the &#8220;Greatest Generation&#8221; was in early middle age, not at all edentulous. It seems hard to lay this at the doors of Gramsci or communists. It is more like a very contagious virus limited to academia that obliterated common sense, judgment and morals. </p>
<p>That &#8216;virus&#8217; has since spread throughout the land, giving us Tlaibs, Ocasio-Cortezes, Betos and more. The common thread between the 1960s and now is the ignorant agitators with violent language (soon to be followed by violent acts) are young, and their vigorously encouraging enablers, the Pelosis and Schumers, are old.</p>
<p>If they succeed, the sun will set on our Republic, never to shine upon us again.</p>
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		By: neo		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2019 03:43:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[pst314:

Bloodshed and standing up to them are not inextricably linked.  It&#039;s fortunate there was no bloodshed, compared to the bloodshed at UCLA.  But there could have been a courageous stand by administrators without shedding blood, I am almost sure of that.  I believe the guns were a bluff.  

Of course, that&#039;s easy for &lt;i&gt;me&lt;/i&gt; to say all these years later, when I&#039;m not in the position the administration was in.  But if you read the whole story you&#039;ll see that the entire situation developed slowly, and there was plenty of time prior to the guns when the administration probably could have done something effective and instead they caved and appeased.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>pst314:</p>
<p>Bloodshed and standing up to them are not inextricably linked.  It&#8217;s fortunate there was no bloodshed, compared to the bloodshed at UCLA.  But there could have been a courageous stand by administrators without shedding blood, I am almost sure of that.  I believe the guns were a bluff.  </p>
<p>Of course, that&#8217;s easy for <i>me</i> to say all these years later, when I&#8217;m not in the position the administration was in.  But if you read the whole story you&#8217;ll see that the entire situation developed slowly, and there was plenty of time prior to the guns when the administration probably could have done something effective and instead they caved and appeased.</p>
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		By: pst314		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[pst314]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2019 03:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;“If Blacks do not define the type of program set up within an institution that will be relevant to them, it will be worthless....&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

They did, and it is.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>“If Blacks do not define the type of program set up within an institution that will be relevant to them, it will be worthless&#8230;.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>They did, and it is.</p>
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		By: pst314		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[pst314]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2019 03:29:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Cornell was fortunate that there was no bloodshed.&lt;/i&gt;

Considering the actual outcome, I&#039;m not so sure. It would have been better to have confronted those armed radicals with lots of police and sharpshooters, and told them that if they did not immediately disarm they would be shot. And if they failed to comply, shot them until they were all either down or disarmed. A lot of our problems can be traced to cowardice. Many of the rest to treason.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Cornell was fortunate that there was no bloodshed.</i></p>
<p>Considering the actual outcome, I&#8217;m not so sure. It would have been better to have confronted those armed radicals with lots of police and sharpshooters, and told them that if they did not immediately disarm they would be shot. And if they failed to comply, shot them until they were all either down or disarmed. A lot of our problems can be traced to cowardice. Many of the rest to treason.</p>
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		By: Mike K		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike K]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2019 01:03:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s just another story like &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJAuVQlLxD0&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; the black lives matter protest in Baker Library at Dartmouth.&lt;/a&gt;

The white and Asian kids were studying as finals were next week.  Why do you think the black students saw no need to study?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s just another story like <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJAuVQlLxD0" rel="nofollow"> the black lives matter protest in Baker Library at Dartmouth.</a></p>
<p>The white and Asian kids were studying as finals were next week.  Why do you think the black students saw no need to study?</p>
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		By: expat		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[expat]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2019 00:10:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It worked. t#s bedtime here, but I did just order the Chavez book for  my Kindle.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It worked. t#s bedtime here, but I did just order the Chavez book for  my Kindle.</p>
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