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		By: Douglas		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Douglas]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2019 23:46:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The problem in the Senate was not the potential for a Republican defection but, rather, a Democratic filibuster.  For this kind of bill, the filibuster still exists.  That means Trump needed 9 democrats.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem in the Senate was not the potential for a Republican defection but, rather, a Democratic filibuster.  For this kind of bill, the filibuster still exists.  That means Trump needed 9 democrats.</p>
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		By: Tom Grey		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom Grey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2019 13:36:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I hope Trump videotapes more negotiations with the Dems.  Showing that they refuse to &quot;compromise&quot; -- because of Dem principle.
The principle of Open Borders.

Trump focusing on how Open Borders hurts black workers and Latino workers is also excellent.  Too bad more conservative groups aren&#039;t out polling blacks in WI about their support for more illegal aliens coming to work in America.

But the longer the shutdown goes on, the more the Dems look bad -- and the employees &quot;most hurt&quot; will far more likely to be Dems.  It would be fine for Trump to NOT allow them to get paid, nor any back-pay, but I assume the Dems will require this as part of a deal.  Still, Trump could say &quot;no&quot; at first.

Remains interesting, and &lt;i&gt;The Art of the Deal&lt;/i&gt; doesn&#039;t help much in forecasting / speculating how it is resolved.  But my 90% guess says Trump gets enough to say &quot;he won&quot;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope Trump videotapes more negotiations with the Dems.  Showing that they refuse to &#8220;compromise&#8221; &#8212; because of Dem principle.<br />
The principle of Open Borders.</p>
<p>Trump focusing on how Open Borders hurts black workers and Latino workers is also excellent.  Too bad more conservative groups aren&#8217;t out polling blacks in WI about their support for more illegal aliens coming to work in America.</p>
<p>But the longer the shutdown goes on, the more the Dems look bad &#8212; and the employees &#8220;most hurt&#8221; will far more likely to be Dems.  It would be fine for Trump to NOT allow them to get paid, nor any back-pay, but I assume the Dems will require this as part of a deal.  Still, Trump could say &#8220;no&#8221; at first.</p>
<p>Remains interesting, and <i>The Art of the Deal</i> doesn&#8217;t help much in forecasting / speculating how it is resolved.  But my 90% guess says Trump gets enough to say &#8220;he won&#8221;.</p>
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		By: steve walsh		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[steve walsh]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2019 12:49:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I think the current situation and conflict is what Trump wanted. Not that he is playing some super clever game of multi-dimensional chess - I won&#039;t give him credit for that - rather that he knew, perhaps McConnell told him, that they didn&#039;t have the votes in the Senate and so he decided to allow this &quot;crisis&quot; of the government shutdown to occur which he now uses to highlight the disingenuous, and changing, arguments against funding the wall from the Democrats and the Republicans that agree with them. It&#039;s too early to tell how this will end, but public support for securing the border is very high, and as noted above garnering support from some previously unlikely groups.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the current situation and conflict is what Trump wanted. Not that he is playing some super clever game of multi-dimensional chess &#8211; I won&#8217;t give him credit for that &#8211; rather that he knew, perhaps McConnell told him, that they didn&#8217;t have the votes in the Senate and so he decided to allow this &#8220;crisis&#8221; of the government shutdown to occur which he now uses to highlight the disingenuous, and changing, arguments against funding the wall from the Democrats and the Republicans that agree with them. It&#8217;s too early to tell how this will end, but public support for securing the border is very high, and as noted above garnering support from some previously unlikely groups.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AesopFan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2019 06:46:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;he will need the Republicans in the Senate to hold strong. My suspicion is that they will stab him in the back &quot;
Sadly, I think you are correct.
It only takes a few back-stabbers with the majority as thin as it is.
Look at O&#039;BaMcCain on the PPACA repeals.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;he will need the Republicans in the Senate to hold strong. My suspicion is that they will stab him in the back &#8221;<br />
Sadly, I think you are correct.<br />
It only takes a few back-stabbers with the majority as thin as it is.<br />
Look at O&#8217;BaMcCain on the PPACA repeals.</p>
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		By: Yancey Ward		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Yancey Ward]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2019 05:52:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I think Trump can win this battle, but he will need the Republicans in the Senate to hold strong.  My suspicion is that they will stab him in the back and and pass the House bill at some point in the next two weeks.  Trump will then face the real choice- veto it, or sign it and declare the emergency.  A veto might not be sustained at that point.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Trump can win this battle, but he will need the Republicans in the Senate to hold strong.  My suspicion is that they will stab him in the back and and pass the House bill at some point in the next two weeks.  Trump will then face the real choice- veto it, or sign it and declare the emergency.  A veto might not be sustained at that point.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AesopFan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2019 03:53:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[On the real security question about the infiltration of terrorists among the economic migrants, the problem is that we have no way to even find out how many get across the border.

https://libertyunyielding.com/2019/01/08/why-chris-wallace-is-as-wrong-as-the-trump-administration-about-threat-border-crossings/

By J.E. Dyer  January 8, 2019

&quot;Do you know how many people tried to cross the U.S. southern border illegally last year?  Do you know how many succeeded?  Do you know how many were either special-interest aliens or on a terror watch list?

No, you don’t.

No one knows those numbers.  We don’t have them. We don’t know.
...
I hate to have to point it out, to people who are being honest and well-meaning, but the fact that we apprehend almost all of the special-interest aliens and known/suspected terrorists at airports is first of all a statistical artifact of the mode of travel.  Commercial air travel funnels everyone down physically into convenient counting chutes.

Crossing a 1,300-mile border doesn’t do that.  We don’t have the comprehensive information we’d need to proclaim that most terror suspects are trying to enter the United States via scheduled commercial air travel.  We only know that that’s how we catch most of the ones we catch.
...
But it’s possible the Trump administration is trying to advance a valid point (if doing so with really counterproductive ineptness).  The valid point would be that if we’re catching more than 3,000 potential threats a year coming in through airports, where they’re pretty much bound to be caught if we’ve already flagged them by category or identity, how many are we not catching at the border – where they are NOT bound to be caught, because they’re not bound to be seen and processed?

Until everyone acknowledges that we do not know the extent to which almost all potential threat individuals try to enter the U.S through airports, there’s no point in continuing to yammer at each other.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the real security question about the infiltration of terrorists among the economic migrants, the problem is that we have no way to even find out how many get across the border.</p>
<p><a href="https://libertyunyielding.com/2019/01/08/why-chris-wallace-is-as-wrong-as-the-trump-administration-about-threat-border-crossings/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://libertyunyielding.com/2019/01/08/why-chris-wallace-is-as-wrong-as-the-trump-administration-about-threat-border-crossings/</a></p>
<p>By J.E. Dyer  January 8, 2019</p>
<p>&#8220;Do you know how many people tried to cross the U.S. southern border illegally last year?  Do you know how many succeeded?  Do you know how many were either special-interest aliens or on a terror watch list?</p>
<p>No, you don’t.</p>
<p>No one knows those numbers.  We don’t have them. We don’t know.<br />
&#8230;<br />
I hate to have to point it out, to people who are being honest and well-meaning, but the fact that we apprehend almost all of the special-interest aliens and known/suspected terrorists at airports is first of all a statistical artifact of the mode of travel.  Commercial air travel funnels everyone down physically into convenient counting chutes.</p>
<p>Crossing a 1,300-mile border doesn’t do that.  We don’t have the comprehensive information we’d need to proclaim that most terror suspects are trying to enter the United States via scheduled commercial air travel.  We only know that that’s how we catch most of the ones we catch.<br />
&#8230;<br />
But it’s possible the Trump administration is trying to advance a valid point (if doing so with really counterproductive ineptness).  The valid point would be that if we’re catching more than 3,000 potential threats a year coming in through airports, where they’re pretty much bound to be caught if we’ve already flagged them by category or identity, how many are we not catching at the border – where they are NOT bound to be caught, because they’re not bound to be seen and processed?</p>
<p>Until everyone acknowledges that we do not know the extent to which almost all potential threat individuals try to enter the U.S through airports, there’s no point in continuing to yammer at each other.&#8221;</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AesopFan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2019 03:50:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Nancy&#039;s not going to like this:
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/01/09/voice-of-hispanic-america-salinas-many-latinos-buying-trumps-arguments-against-illegal-immigration/

&quot;Former longtime Univision anchor María Elena Salinas revealed on Tuesday evening that many Latinos are buying the arguments President Donald Trump is making about illegal immigration.
Salinas, whom the New York Times once described as the “voice of Hispanic America,” told CNN host Don Lemon after Trump’s Tuesday evening Oval Office address that she is saddened that Latinos “are buying some of these arguments against undocumented immigrants” that Trump has been making.

“And it’s very sad to see that our own people, who are immigrants themselves, are attacking these immigrants that are trying to come in, knowing themselves how difficult the situation is in a lot of these Latin American countries,” she continued. “And, you know, they’re buying it, and some people, just like some other Trump supporters, are saying, well, you know, so what if he tells lies, as long as we have lower unemployment among the Latino community.”

In his Oval Office address, Trump specifically mentioned that illegal immigration hurts African-Americans and Hispanic Americans.

“It strains public resources and drives down jobs and wages,” Trump said of illegal immigration. “Among those hardest hit are African-Americans and Hispanic Americans.”

During the 2016 presidential campaign, Trump, in addition to making the economic case for fewer illegal immigrants, also explicitly pointed out that the media often ignore Latino families who have been victimized by illegal immigrant crimes.

Trump ended up shocking the political and media establishments by doing better among Hispanic voters than Mitt Romney did four years before. And though the media have tried to vilify Trump as a “racist” who hates brown people, Trump’s support among Latinos has remained steady.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nancy&#8217;s not going to like this:<br />
<a href="https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/01/09/voice-of-hispanic-america-salinas-many-latinos-buying-trumps-arguments-against-illegal-immigration/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/01/09/voice-of-hispanic-america-salinas-many-latinos-buying-trumps-arguments-against-illegal-immigration/</a></p>
<p>&#8220;Former longtime Univision anchor María Elena Salinas revealed on Tuesday evening that many Latinos are buying the arguments President Donald Trump is making about illegal immigration.<br />
Salinas, whom the New York Times once described as the “voice of Hispanic America,” told CNN host Don Lemon after Trump’s Tuesday evening Oval Office address that she is saddened that Latinos “are buying some of these arguments against undocumented immigrants” that Trump has been making.</p>
<p>“And it’s very sad to see that our own people, who are immigrants themselves, are attacking these immigrants that are trying to come in, knowing themselves how difficult the situation is in a lot of these Latin American countries,” she continued. “And, you know, they’re buying it, and some people, just like some other Trump supporters, are saying, well, you know, so what if he tells lies, as long as we have lower unemployment among the Latino community.”</p>
<p>In his Oval Office address, Trump specifically mentioned that illegal immigration hurts African-Americans and Hispanic Americans.</p>
<p>“It strains public resources and drives down jobs and wages,” Trump said of illegal immigration. “Among those hardest hit are African-Americans and Hispanic Americans.”</p>
<p>During the 2016 presidential campaign, Trump, in addition to making the economic case for fewer illegal immigrants, also explicitly pointed out that the media often ignore Latino families who have been victimized by illegal immigrant crimes.</p>
<p>Trump ended up shocking the political and media establishments by doing better among Hispanic voters than Mitt Romney did four years before. And though the media have tried to vilify Trump as a “racist” who hates brown people, Trump’s support among Latinos has remained steady.&#8221;</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2019/01/09/why-didnt-the-gop-held-congress-fund-the-wall/#comment-2418675</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AesopFan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2019 03:48:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Some perspective on the Democrats&#039; border theater act:

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/01/09/pence-nancy-pelosi-a-no-on-border-security-even-if-trump-opens-government/

&quot;Pence detailed a moment during Wednesday’s White House shutdown meeting with Speaker Pelosi and Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer. President Donald Trump asked Speaker Pelosi if she would negotiate border security and wall funding if he opened up the government quickly. “The Speaker of the House said ‘no,’” Pence recounted.
...
Security Kirstjen Nielsen also offered details of the meeting.

“I think the president was very calm in trying to continue to put different options on the table to solve this serious crisis at our border,” Scalise told reporters outside the White House. “Last night [the president] laid out some of the problems and challenges we’re facing as a country and how we can get a solution.”

“Today what he did was start to offer some more ideas,” Scalise recounted. He said their teams worked over the weekend, “but at some point the other side has to put a counter offer on the table. ‘No’ is not a valid answer if you’re serious about solving this problem.”

Experts tasked with securing the nation have put the cost of moving toward securing the border at $5.7 billion, a number Scalise referenced. He then rebuked House Speaker Nancy Pelosi for jokingly offering just one dollar to address the problem of border security. He said her reaction and refusal to propose a counteroffer is not fair to those Americans missing a paycheck under the shutdown.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some perspective on the Democrats&#8217; border theater act:</p>
<p><a href="https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/01/09/pence-nancy-pelosi-a-no-on-border-security-even-if-trump-opens-government/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/01/09/pence-nancy-pelosi-a-no-on-border-security-even-if-trump-opens-government/</a></p>
<p>&#8220;Pence detailed a moment during Wednesday’s White House shutdown meeting with Speaker Pelosi and Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer. President Donald Trump asked Speaker Pelosi if she would negotiate border security and wall funding if he opened up the government quickly. “The Speaker of the House said ‘no,’” Pence recounted.<br />
&#8230;<br />
Security Kirstjen Nielsen also offered details of the meeting.</p>
<p>“I think the president was very calm in trying to continue to put different options on the table to solve this serious crisis at our border,” Scalise told reporters outside the White House. “Last night [the president] laid out some of the problems and challenges we’re facing as a country and how we can get a solution.”</p>
<p>“Today what he did was start to offer some more ideas,” Scalise recounted. He said their teams worked over the weekend, “but at some point the other side has to put a counter offer on the table. ‘No’ is not a valid answer if you’re serious about solving this problem.”</p>
<p>Experts tasked with securing the nation have put the cost of moving toward securing the border at $5.7 billion, a number Scalise referenced. He then rebuked House Speaker Nancy Pelosi for jokingly offering just one dollar to address the problem of border security. He said her reaction and refusal to propose a counteroffer is not fair to those Americans missing a paycheck under the shutdown.&#8221;</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AesopFan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2019 03:44:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[TommyJay on January 9, 2019 at 2:15 pm at 2:15 pm said:
… Also, the U.S. Chamber of Commerce is a huge GOP factor, and their position is made semi-clear by their recent public announcement.
* * *
Gee, I never thought I would have to call the CoC un-American.

&quot;Corporate interests and the big business lobby have the most to gain from granting an amensty to DACA illegal aliens, as legalizing millions of low-skilled foreign workers would drag down wages for Americans, drive up profit margins for corporations, and leave U.S. taxpayers with the costs.
...
A DACA amnesty would put more U.S.-born children of illegal aliens — commonly known as “anchor babies” — on federal welfare, as Breitbart News reported, while American taxpayers would be left with a $26 billion bill.

Additionally, about one in five DACA illegal aliens, after an amnesty, would end up on food stamps, while at least one in seven would go on Medicaid.

Any plan to give amnesty to DACA illegal aliens that does not also include provisions to halve legal immigration levels would give amnestied illegal aliens the opportunity to bring an unlimited number of foreign relatives to the country through the process known as “chain migration.”

The chain migration inflow from a DACA amnesty has the potential to reach nine million foreign nationals arriving in the country, as every two newly naturalized citizens bring about seven foreign relatives to the U.S. with them.

Despite major opposition from Trump’s base of supporters to for an amnesty-for-wall funding deal, the plan has been touted in White House discussions, as it is favored by the billionaire donor class.&quot;

I&#039;m not totally averse to legalizing really-truly-brought-here-as-a-baby people (with the usual good-character caveats), but doing it without FIRST securing the border and ending the chain migration, anchor babies, and  visa-equals-lifetime-visitor travesties is a firm &quot;no&quot; for me.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TommyJay on January 9, 2019 at 2:15 pm at 2:15 pm said:<br />
… Also, the U.S. Chamber of Commerce is a huge GOP factor, and their position is made semi-clear by their recent public announcement.<br />
* * *<br />
Gee, I never thought I would have to call the CoC un-American.</p>
<p>&#8220;Corporate interests and the big business lobby have the most to gain from granting an amensty to DACA illegal aliens, as legalizing millions of low-skilled foreign workers would drag down wages for Americans, drive up profit margins for corporations, and leave U.S. taxpayers with the costs.<br />
&#8230;<br />
A DACA amnesty would put more U.S.-born children of illegal aliens — commonly known as “anchor babies” — on federal welfare, as Breitbart News reported, while American taxpayers would be left with a $26 billion bill.</p>
<p>Additionally, about one in five DACA illegal aliens, after an amnesty, would end up on food stamps, while at least one in seven would go on Medicaid.</p>
<p>Any plan to give amnesty to DACA illegal aliens that does not also include provisions to halve legal immigration levels would give amnestied illegal aliens the opportunity to bring an unlimited number of foreign relatives to the country through the process known as “chain migration.”</p>
<p>The chain migration inflow from a DACA amnesty has the potential to reach nine million foreign nationals arriving in the country, as every two newly naturalized citizens bring about seven foreign relatives to the U.S. with them.</p>
<p>Despite major opposition from Trump’s base of supporters to for an amnesty-for-wall funding deal, the plan has been touted in White House discussions, as it is favored by the billionaire donor class.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not totally averse to legalizing really-truly-brought-here-as-a-baby people (with the usual good-character caveats), but doing it without FIRST securing the border and ending the chain migration, anchor babies, and  visa-equals-lifetime-visitor travesties is a firm &#8220;no&#8221; for me.</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AesopFan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2019 03:38:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[TommyJay on January 9, 2019 at 2:51 pm at 2:51 pm said:
 Way back when Schmidt was running Novell corp. and Microsoft was killing it, Schmidt and his lawyers were able to sic the Clinton anti-trust team on Microsoft to its detriment. Not that it helped Novell much.
* * *
Wow - talk about the Way-Back Machine!
I was among the first programmers hired by Novell as a start-up.
Loved working there, and did some good stuff, but they branched out into too many side-issues, retrenched, fired the VP I was under and all his team, forced out the founders who hired us, and re-invented their core business --- without my illustrious presence (but under the direction of a guy who was actually a neighbor and friend).
I didn&#039;t get any stock options either, drat it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TommyJay on January 9, 2019 at 2:51 pm at 2:51 pm said:<br />
 Way back when Schmidt was running Novell corp. and Microsoft was killing it, Schmidt and his lawyers were able to sic the Clinton anti-trust team on Microsoft to its detriment. Not that it helped Novell much.<br />
* * *<br />
Wow &#8211; talk about the Way-Back Machine!<br />
I was among the first programmers hired by Novell as a start-up.<br />
Loved working there, and did some good stuff, but they branched out into too many side-issues, retrenched, fired the VP I was under and all his team, forced out the founders who hired us, and re-invented their core business &#8212; without my illustrious presence (but under the direction of a guy who was actually a neighbor and friend).<br />
I didn&#8217;t get any stock options either, drat it.</p>
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