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		By: Julie near Chicago		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Julie near Chicago]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2019 21:17:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Speaking of JFK,   Joe Lieberman says that he was drawn to the Democratic Party by JFK and his agenda.  Not long, and I think quite interesting.

&quot;Lieberman: Ocasio-Cortez more socialist than Democrat &quot;:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iSujjGS074]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking of JFK,   Joe Lieberman says that he was drawn to the Democratic Party by JFK and his agenda.  Not long, and I think quite interesting.</p>
<p>&#8220;Lieberman: Ocasio-Cortez more socialist than Democrat &#8220;:</p>
<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iSujjGS074" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iSujjGS074</a></p>
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		By: Barry Meislin		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Barry Meislin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2019 09:30:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Well, he certainly drives like a Kennedy.

And seems to have a father who watches out for him.

Along with sources of &quot;sufficient&quot; funds.

All of which makes for a pretty good start, I guess.

Alas, not as much between the ears as Juan Fitzcarraldo or Roberto Francisco; but he&#039;s tall, lanky and has a terrific smile.

Which might well be enough to get him past the post.

On the other hand he is, alas, a White Male!! (Though not old, not old.)

Nonetheless the powers-that-be can massage that rather unfortunate (these days) feature...disguising it (journalistic Coppertone?...or maybe the real thing) so that truly, this mostly untested version of the enduring political legend could in fact be elected America&#039;s first Latin American president. 

Neo-Camelot Ho!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, he certainly drives like a Kennedy.</p>
<p>And seems to have a father who watches out for him.</p>
<p>Along with sources of &#8220;sufficient&#8221; funds.</p>
<p>All of which makes for a pretty good start, I guess.</p>
<p>Alas, not as much between the ears as Juan Fitzcarraldo or Roberto Francisco; but he&#8217;s tall, lanky and has a terrific smile.</p>
<p>Which might well be enough to get him past the post.</p>
<p>On the other hand he is, alas, a White Male!! (Though not old, not old.)</p>
<p>Nonetheless the powers-that-be can massage that rather unfortunate (these days) feature&#8230;disguising it (journalistic Coppertone?&#8230;or maybe the real thing) so that truly, this mostly untested version of the enduring political legend could in fact be elected America&#8217;s first Latin American president. </p>
<p>Neo-Camelot Ho!</p>
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		By: Mike K		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike K]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2019 03:20:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve got a candidate for Charisma for you. I&#039;ve begin a biography of Huey P Long.  It looks like it is going to be good.  

When, early in his career, he began to campaign in southern Louisiana, he was warned by the local boss that this part of the state was Catholic. Huey responded with a  story. He told how every Sunday he would hitch up a horse and drive his Catholic grandparents to church, after which he would drive his Baptist grandparents to their church.  The person listening to the story said, &quot;Huey, I didn&#039;t know you had Catholic grandparents.&quot; Huey responded, &quot;Hell, we didn&#039;t even have a horse.&quot;

It looks good.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve got a candidate for Charisma for you. I&#8217;ve begin a biography of Huey P Long.  It looks like it is going to be good.  </p>
<p>When, early in his career, he began to campaign in southern Louisiana, he was warned by the local boss that this part of the state was Catholic. Huey responded with a  story. He told how every Sunday he would hitch up a horse and drive his Catholic grandparents to church, after which he would drive his Baptist grandparents to their church.  The person listening to the story said, &#8220;Huey, I didn&#8217;t know you had Catholic grandparents.&#8221; Huey responded, &#8220;Hell, we didn&#8217;t even have a horse.&#8221;</p>
<p>It looks good.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AesopFan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2019 03:17:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[John Guilfoyle on January 9, 2019 at 2:49 pm at 2:49 pm said:
AesopFan…”So, did Christ have Charisma?” Good question…
* * *
Thanks for the observations. The point on the long dearth of true prophets in Israel is well-taken.

Neo: in my experience, giving money to my church is the easiest thing they ask me to do; getting &quot;down in the trenches&quot; with service, or accepting and living doctrines that force you out of your comfort zone is hard.

In re Jim Jones and other ersatz messiahs: the devout core that followed him in drinking the kool-aid were the ones who DID accept the hard things he preached.
Just because doctrines are hard doesn&#039;t make them right, but easy-peasy religions generally fall by the wayside pretty fast.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John Guilfoyle on January 9, 2019 at 2:49 pm at 2:49 pm said:<br />
AesopFan…”So, did Christ have Charisma?” Good question…<br />
* * *<br />
Thanks for the observations. The point on the long dearth of true prophets in Israel is well-taken.</p>
<p>Neo: in my experience, giving money to my church is the easiest thing they ask me to do; getting &#8220;down in the trenches&#8221; with service, or accepting and living doctrines that force you out of your comfort zone is hard.</p>
<p>In re Jim Jones and other ersatz messiahs: the devout core that followed him in drinking the kool-aid were the ones who DID accept the hard things he preached.<br />
Just because doctrines are hard doesn&#8217;t make them right, but easy-peasy religions generally fall by the wayside pretty fast.</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[huxley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2019 02:23:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Then there&#039;s Adi Da, an American New Age-y teacher who went under a dozen or so crazy names, and successfully sold himself as an incarnation of God. 

He put together a cult which revered him and paid his bills, which allowed him to buy an island in Fiji from Raymond Burr(!), where he lived the rest of his bizarre life hidden from normal society.

I don&#039;t have the words for how strange his books are and absurdly inflated in praise of himself.

He fooled a lot of people who should have known better, including transpersonal psychology authority, Ken Wilber, who is over-rated IMO but not crazy and taken seriously by many respectable authorities.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adi_Da]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Then there&#8217;s Adi Da, an American New Age-y teacher who went under a dozen or so crazy names, and successfully sold himself as an incarnation of God. </p>
<p>He put together a cult which revered him and paid his bills, which allowed him to buy an island in Fiji from Raymond Burr(!), where he lived the rest of his bizarre life hidden from normal society.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t have the words for how strange his books are and absurdly inflated in praise of himself.</p>
<p>He fooled a lot of people who should have known better, including transpersonal psychology authority, Ken Wilber, who is over-rated IMO but not crazy and taken seriously by many respectable authorities.</p>
<p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adi_Da" rel="nofollow ugc">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adi_Da</a></p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2019/01/08/charisma-in-politics-charisma-in-life/#comment-2418662</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[huxley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2019 02:04:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Jim Jones had “Charisma.” The pols believed in him. The real role he played in SF politics is still not discussed.&lt;/i&gt;

Mike K: It&#039;s starting to come out, but way too late. 
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&lt;i&gt;Flynn’s new book &quot;Cult City: Jim Jones, Harvey Milk, and 10 Days That Shook San Francisco (ISI Books)&quot; is a bold, at times shocking work of revisionist history that challenges what we think we know about both men and the murderous events that brought them to national prominence.

Flynn reveals that Jones was in fact a socialist fanatic who, far from the theological and cultural fringes, was a key player in left-wing San Francisco politics. Flynn also shows that Milk was an opportunist and a showboater who was willing to use extremist rhetoric — and in one case, indulge in outing — to advance his political career. His assassin was not a homicidal homophobe, but a hotheaded former political ally furious over Milk’s political betrayal.

And, most bizarrely of all, Milk and Jones were friends and allies.

https://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/jim-jones-harvey-milk-cult-city-secret-history/&lt;/i&gt;
______________________________________________

Jim Jones&#039;s &quot;People&#039;s Temple&quot; was the ACORN of its day. Whenever a liberal Bay Area candidate needed help in an election, Jones would put his people in buses for rallies and get out the vote efforts.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Jim Jones had “Charisma.” The pols believed in him. The real role he played in SF politics is still not discussed.</i></p>
<p>Mike K: It&#8217;s starting to come out, but way too late.<br />
__________________________________________</p>
<p><i>Flynn’s new book &#8220;Cult City: Jim Jones, Harvey Milk, and 10 Days That Shook San Francisco (ISI Books)&#8221; is a bold, at times shocking work of revisionist history that challenges what we think we know about both men and the murderous events that brought them to national prominence.</p>
<p>Flynn reveals that Jones was in fact a socialist fanatic who, far from the theological and cultural fringes, was a key player in left-wing San Francisco politics. Flynn also shows that Milk was an opportunist and a showboater who was willing to use extremist rhetoric — and in one case, indulge in outing — to advance his political career. His assassin was not a homicidal homophobe, but a hotheaded former political ally furious over Milk’s political betrayal.</p>
<p>And, most bizarrely of all, Milk and Jones were friends and allies.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/jim-jones-harvey-milk-cult-city-secret-history/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/jim-jones-harvey-milk-cult-city-secret-history/</a></i><br />
______________________________________________</p>
<p>Jim Jones&#8217;s &#8220;People&#8217;s Temple&#8221; was the ACORN of its day. Whenever a liberal Bay Area candidate needed help in an election, Jones would put his people in buses for rallies and get out the vote efforts.</p>
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		By: Mike K		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike K]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2019 01:49:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;I don’t think people have been taught a lesson on Obama at all. I think it he were able to run today he’d win again hands down.&lt;/i&gt;

I think a lot of people who voted for him out of goodwill and a desire to heal racial tension would not be fooled again.  The left wing Democrat base and the blacks would, of course, buy the same pig in a poke.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I don’t think people have been taught a lesson on Obama at all. I think it he were able to run today he’d win again hands down.</i></p>
<p>I think a lot of people who voted for him out of goodwill and a desire to heal racial tension would not be fooled again.  The left wing Democrat base and the blacks would, of course, buy the same pig in a poke.</p>
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		By: Mike K		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike K]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2019 01:47:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Mike mentions that Peterson and Bannon are, to him, impressive speakers. But that alone doesn’t mean that they have charisma, “charm.”&lt;/i&gt;

Maybe I am too cynical to believe in &quot;Charisma&quot; as anything but salesman talk.

Peterson and Bannon are at ease with others who disagree or even try to attack them. That takes something that I respect. 

Jim Jones had &quot;Charisma.&quot;  The pols believed in him. The real role he played in SF politics is still not discussed.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Mike mentions that Peterson and Bannon are, to him, impressive speakers. But that alone doesn’t mean that they have charisma, “charm.”</i></p>
<p>Maybe I am too cynical to believe in &#8220;Charisma&#8221; as anything but salesman talk.</p>
<p>Peterson and Bannon are at ease with others who disagree or even try to attack them. That takes something that I respect. </p>
<p>Jim Jones had &#8220;Charisma.&#8221;  The pols believed in him. The real role he played in SF politics is still not discussed.</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2019/01/08/charisma-in-politics-charisma-in-life/#comment-2418659</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[huxley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2019 01:44:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Correction: &lt;i&gt;--Steven Pressman, &quot;Outrageous Betrayal&quot; p.147&lt;/i&gt;

Interestingly, Erhard was able to train his trainers to recreate some of his charisma. In fact their explicit mission was to &quot;recreate Werner.&quot; They worked very hard to duplicate Werner&#039;s words, tone and physical mannerisms. 

The est trainers I saw were all very impressive people.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Correction: <i>&#8211;Steven Pressman, &#8220;Outrageous Betrayal&#8221; p.147</i></p>
<p>Interestingly, Erhard was able to train his trainers to recreate some of his charisma. In fact their explicit mission was to &#8220;recreate Werner.&#8221; They worked very hard to duplicate Werner&#8217;s words, tone and physical mannerisms. </p>
<p>The est trainers I saw were all very impressive people.</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[huxley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2019 01:34:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[By all accounts Werner Erhard, the founder of est, was charismatic. People gave up promising professional careers to follow him and preach his gospel. At a meeting of seminar leaders in 1977:

&lt;i&gt;...one seminar leader got to his feet and with a serious look on his face.

&quot;The question in the room that nobody is asking,&quot; the man told Erhard solemnly, &quot;is &#039;Are you the messiah?&#039;&quot;

The room grew silent as Erhard looked out to the curious faces of some of his most devoted disciples. After a few moments he replied, &quot;No, I am who sent him.&quot;

--Outrageous Betrayal&quot; p. 147&lt;/i&gt;

That&#039;s Biblical language. With that line Erhard announced he was God and the people in the room sat still for it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By all accounts Werner Erhard, the founder of est, was charismatic. People gave up promising professional careers to follow him and preach his gospel. At a meeting of seminar leaders in 1977:</p>
<p><i>&#8230;one seminar leader got to his feet and with a serious look on his face.</p>
<p>&#8220;The question in the room that nobody is asking,&#8221; the man told Erhard solemnly, &#8220;is &#8216;Are you the messiah?'&#8221;</p>
<p>The room grew silent as Erhard looked out to the curious faces of some of his most devoted disciples. After a few moments he replied, &#8220;No, I am who sent him.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8211;Outrageous Betrayal&#8221; p. 147</i></p>
<p>That&#8217;s Biblical language. With that line Erhard announced he was God and the people in the room sat still for it.</p>
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