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		By: Ben david		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ben david]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2019 12:01:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Roy lofquist:
Whatever you do, don&#039;t throw me into that briar patch.
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Bingo - and a great reference!

Everything Trump does brings more silenced normies and fence-sitters out of the woodwork. Every attempt by the Left to play the old slogans reminds people what Trump is fighting and what the Left will do to them. Same thing happened with Kavanaugh - every married woman or mother of a son got a completely different message than the Left intended.

This is how the Soviet union collapsed. Once Glasnost shattered  the illusion of widespread agreement with the Party line, more and more people defied their rulers.

Jiu jitsu.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Roy lofquist:<br />
Whatever you do, don&#8217;t throw me into that briar patch.<br />
&#8211; &#8211; &#8211; &#8211; &#8211;<br />
Bingo &#8211; and a great reference!</p>
<p>Everything Trump does brings more silenced normies and fence-sitters out of the woodwork. Every attempt by the Left to play the old slogans reminds people what Trump is fighting and what the Left will do to them. Same thing happened with Kavanaugh &#8211; every married woman or mother of a son got a completely different message than the Left intended.</p>
<p>This is how the Soviet union collapsed. Once Glasnost shattered  the illusion of widespread agreement with the Party line, more and more people defied their rulers.</p>
<p>Jiu jitsu.</p>
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		By: Roy Lofquist		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Roy Lofquist]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2019 05:59:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yeah, remember the last time the dastardly Republicans shut down the government? That was way back in 2013. The next election?  Senate R+9, House R+13.

Whatever you do, don&#039;t throw me into that briar patch.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, remember the last time the dastardly Republicans shut down the government? That was way back in 2013. The next election?  Senate R+9, House R+13.</p>
<p>Whatever you do, don&#8217;t throw me into that briar patch.</p>
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		By: parker		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[parker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2019 05:36:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[There is a solution, but it is not PC. This is an invasion, these invaders, like any other invasion must be cut down without remorse or mercy.  My give a damn about the conditions in Centeral America never existed.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a solution, but it is not PC. This is an invasion, these invaders, like any other invasion must be cut down without remorse or mercy.  My give a damn about the conditions in Centeral America never existed.</p>
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		By: J.J.		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2019/01/07/losing-the-shutdown-standoff-winning-the-blame-game/#comment-2418411</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[J.J.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2019 04:59:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[There are a lot of estimates of the cost to taxpayers of illegal immigration. The figures range from $15 billion/year on the low end to $135 billion on the high  end.   No one thinks  that illegal immigration doesn&#039;t cost our education, law enforcement, legal, welfare, and medical systems a lot of money that wouldn&#039;t be necessary if we didn&#039;t have millions of illegal immigrants in the country.  A Targeted wall system can reduce the flow of illegals to a manageable number. (In the months of October and November over 100,00 illegals were apprehended, processed, and released into the country to await their court hearings.  Most will stay for the rest of their lives. Not a manageable number.)  If we could reduce the costs to  our systems of $5 billion a year with a wall system, would it not be well worth spending $5 billion? 

But I&#039;m talking common sense.  Common sense has nothing to do with the shutdown. It is 100% politics. It  is as if we are watching two groups of gladiators in an arena. It is all about power and winning.  The progressives have chosen this issue to take Trump down. May he stay strong and may we, who believe in the principles of a sovereign nation with border controls, stand behind him and let the politicians of all parties know that we want the border under control.
Call them. Write them. Make your voices heard.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are a lot of estimates of the cost to taxpayers of illegal immigration. The figures range from $15 billion/year on the low end to $135 billion on the high  end.   No one thinks  that illegal immigration doesn&#8217;t cost our education, law enforcement, legal, welfare, and medical systems a lot of money that wouldn&#8217;t be necessary if we didn&#8217;t have millions of illegal immigrants in the country.  A Targeted wall system can reduce the flow of illegals to a manageable number. (In the months of October and November over 100,00 illegals were apprehended, processed, and released into the country to await their court hearings.  Most will stay for the rest of their lives. Not a manageable number.)  If we could reduce the costs to  our systems of $5 billion a year with a wall system, would it not be well worth spending $5 billion? </p>
<p>But I&#8217;m talking common sense.  Common sense has nothing to do with the shutdown. It is 100% politics. It  is as if we are watching two groups of gladiators in an arena. It is all about power and winning.  The progressives have chosen this issue to take Trump down. May he stay strong and may we, who believe in the principles of a sovereign nation with border controls, stand behind him and let the politicians of all parties know that we want the border under control.<br />
Call them. Write them. Make your voices heard.</p>
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		By: parker		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2019/01/07/losing-the-shutdown-standoff-winning-the-blame-game/#comment-2418366</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[parker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2019 22:20:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I see djt as the one holding the winning hand. Despite the msm, more people everyday realize the threat illegal &#039;immigration&#039; poses, and the costs to our criminal justice, education, welfare, and medical systems. Trump will not back down.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see djt as the one holding the winning hand. Despite the msm, more people everyday realize the threat illegal &#8216;immigration&#8217; poses, and the costs to our criminal justice, education, welfare, and medical systems. Trump will not back down.</p>
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		By: Geoffrey Britain		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Geoffrey Britain]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2019 22:19:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Art, 

China is not going to &lt;i&gt;start&lt;/i&gt; a nuclear war over the Paracel Islands. 

China has been establishing the conditions where to stop them we risk starting a conventional war that could easily escalate into a nuclear war. They&#039;re counting on the US backing down. 

What&#039;s at stake is freedom of navigation of the seas, one of the pillars upon which liberty itself rests, which is what we sacrifice if we back down. 

China wants de facto control over Asia. The nature of totalitarians is that they can only have enough... when they have control over everything. So China will not be permanently satisfied with regional dominance. 

&lt;i&gt;&quot;Si vis pacem, para bellum&quot;&lt;/i&gt; (&quot;If you want peace, prepare for war&quot;) 

Of course, being prepared for war is futile without the willingness to go to war. Which is what we have to impress upon the ChiComs. But given America&#039;s divide, an unlikely proposition. A condition that the ChiComs have to be aware of and why they&#039;re betting that when all is said and done, we&#039;ll roll over. 

No society can retain liberty, when that society is unwilling to fight for it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Art, </p>
<p>China is not going to <i>start</i> a nuclear war over the Paracel Islands. </p>
<p>China has been establishing the conditions where to stop them we risk starting a conventional war that could easily escalate into a nuclear war. They&#8217;re counting on the US backing down. </p>
<p>What&#8217;s at stake is freedom of navigation of the seas, one of the pillars upon which liberty itself rests, which is what we sacrifice if we back down. </p>
<p>China wants de facto control over Asia. The nature of totalitarians is that they can only have enough&#8230; when they have control over everything. So China will not be permanently satisfied with regional dominance. </p>
<p><i>&#8220;Si vis pacem, para bellum&#8221;</i> (&#8220;If you want peace, prepare for war&#8221;) </p>
<p>Of course, being prepared for war is futile without the willingness to go to war. Which is what we have to impress upon the ChiComs. But given America&#8217;s divide, an unlikely proposition. A condition that the ChiComs have to be aware of and why they&#8217;re betting that when all is said and done, we&#8217;ll roll over. </p>
<p>No society can retain liberty, when that society is unwilling to fight for it.</p>
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		By: Log of Web sites &#8211; Weblog &#124; Tom Grey - Freedom with Responsibility		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Log of Web sites &#8211; Weblog &#124; Tom Grey - Freedom with Responsibility]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2019 22:14:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] ideas, political economy, and politics.  I like that, and often comment, like on recent post: Losing the shutdown standoff, winning the blame game war  Where I [&#8230;]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] ideas, political economy, and politics.  I like that, and often comment, like on recent post: Losing the shutdown standoff, winning the blame game war  Where I [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Geoffrey Britain		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Geoffrey Britain]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2019 21:54:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Stay the course Mr. President. Full speed ahead and damn the torpedoes. Illegal immigration is being employed by the democrats to disenfranchise Americans. It has become a national security threat. Regain control of our borders or we will continue to be dragged down the path to &quot;politics by &#039;other&#039; means&quot;. 

&lt;i&gt;“the ascendant Extreme Leftists don&#039;t seem to realize that every day they are sawing through the branch upon which they sit.”&lt;/i&gt; commenter Kinuachdrach]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stay the course Mr. President. Full speed ahead and damn the torpedoes. Illegal immigration is being employed by the democrats to disenfranchise Americans. It has become a national security threat. Regain control of our borders or we will continue to be dragged down the path to &#8220;politics by &#8216;other&#8217; means&#8221;. </p>
<p><i>“the ascendant Extreme Leftists don&#8217;t seem to realize that every day they are sawing through the branch upon which they sit.”</i> commenter Kinuachdrach</p>
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		By: Artfldgr		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Artfldgr]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2019 21:47:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[personally you should check out the WWIII scenario around the paracel islands
when i warned about this to start discussion, they were empty
now they ahve military bases, and are threatening to shoot ships and nuclear war

why wait so long to discuss something till nuclear war is a fait accompli 
or ya think they gonna dismanle things, say sorry here japan your land back? 

vietnam, indonesia, japan, taiwan, singapore, brunai, and more... 
all are going to fight over it with the US being the leader on it

too bad we let the concrete set and did not use our place to discuss something in terms of prevention rather than reaction

NEWS: World ends today, details tomorrow...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>personally you should check out the WWIII scenario around the paracel islands<br />
when i warned about this to start discussion, they were empty<br />
now they ahve military bases, and are threatening to shoot ships and nuclear war</p>
<p>why wait so long to discuss something till nuclear war is a fait accompli<br />
or ya think they gonna dismanle things, say sorry here japan your land back? </p>
<p>vietnam, indonesia, japan, taiwan, singapore, brunai, and more&#8230;<br />
all are going to fight over it with the US being the leader on it</p>
<p>too bad we let the concrete set and did not use our place to discuss something in terms of prevention rather than reaction</p>
<p>NEWS: World ends today, details tomorrow&#8230;</p>
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		By: Artfldgr		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Artfldgr]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2019 21:44:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Trump took ownership of the shutdown, so all the other comments on this are totally wacko unreal...  

he is not trying to avoid it
he is taking the responsibility
he is not calling it a schumer anything

so why you guys even discussing the blame game? 
crazy distracted people...  

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/video/2018/dec/11/donald-trump-government-shut-down-chuck-schumer-white-house-video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=4&#038;v=-1q5vjuX_Bc 

&lt;b&gt;“I will take the mantle,” Mr. Trump told the two Democratic leaders in the Oval Office, saying he would proudly close parts of the executive branch if he did not get his way. “I’m not going to blame you for it,” he continued. “The last time you shut it down, it didn’t work. I will take the mantle of shutting down, and I’m going to shut it down for border security.”&lt;/b&gt;

sheesh.. 

here, entertain on this
Evolution Of Pete Burns - author of you spin me right round baby
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzunMOo9vS4]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trump took ownership of the shutdown, so all the other comments on this are totally wacko unreal&#8230;  </p>
<p>he is not trying to avoid it<br />
he is taking the responsibility<br />
he is not calling it a schumer anything</p>
<p>so why you guys even discussing the blame game?<br />
crazy distracted people&#8230;  </p>
<p><a href="https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/video/2018/dec/11/donald-trump-government-shut-down-chuck-schumer-white-house-video" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/video/2018/dec/11/donald-trump-government-shut-down-chuck-schumer-white-house-video</a></p>
<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=4&#038;v=-1q5vjuX_Bc" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=4&#038;v=-1q5vjuX_Bc</a> </p>
<p><b>“I will take the mantle,” Mr. Trump told the two Democratic leaders in the Oval Office, saying he would proudly close parts of the executive branch if he did not get his way. “I’m not going to blame you for it,” he continued. “The last time you shut it down, it didn’t work. I will take the mantle of shutting down, and I’m going to shut it down for border security.”</b></p>
<p>sheesh.. </p>
<p>here, entertain on this<br />
Evolution Of Pete Burns &#8211; author of you spin me right round baby<br />
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzunMOo9vS4" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzunMOo9vS4</a></p>
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