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		By: Richard Saunders		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Saunders]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2019 03:13:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[om is right on is his description of ArtDeco: &quot;arrogant and condescending. . .&quot;  It would be nice if he, she, or xie knew what he, she, or xie was talking about.  A question about whether a person running for President is a &quot;natural born citizen&quot; is different when it&#039;s George Romney (and you did manage to get that right!) or John McCain than when it&#039;s Barak Obama that is the subject.  Really?  Wrong on the book publicity, too Art, about which you obviously know nothing.  And since the blurb came out long before Obama&#039;s presidential run, it is clear that it was the source of the birth controversy.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>om is right on is his description of ArtDeco: &#8220;arrogant and condescending. . .&#8221;  It would be nice if he, she, or xie knew what he, she, or xie was talking about.  A question about whether a person running for President is a &#8220;natural born citizen&#8221; is different when it&#8217;s George Romney (and you did manage to get that right!) or John McCain than when it&#8217;s Barak Obama that is the subject.  Really?  Wrong on the book publicity, too Art, about which you obviously know nothing.  And since the blurb came out long before Obama&#8217;s presidential run, it is clear that it was the source of the birth controversy.</p>
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		By: Phoenix		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2019/01/03/the-growth-of-political-anger-and-the-idea-of-political-illegitimacy/#comment-2418035</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Phoenix]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2019 01:27:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I think part of the problem may be related to the ascendance of the Acela corridor and the coastal enclaves.  As a WASP female in the South a certain amount of decorum is expected.  Watching the news today it seems as if there are no standards of behavior at all...even for members of Congress.

I can&#039;t tell you how many times we have stopped watching shows because suddenly cursing and LBGTQ+ suddenly invaded a previously very much enjoyed show.  (The most recent of these is The Orville - very Star Trek-esq until last nights episode where one character has a porn addiction and his (also male) spouse tries to kill him.  Not to mention the last season where the same couple had a female child - which was politically incorrect in their society - and chose to change said child&#039;s gender.  Do we want to watch that with our pre-teen?  NO!).  
Modern Family is not included in that, as part of the premise of the show happens to be the gay couple and their adoption of Lily along with all the other weird family stuff that has to be dealt with.  I have gay relatives and friends.  Don&#039;t care who they choose to share their life with, just hate having the entertainment industry trying to shove acceptance of it down my throat.

We live in the country.  The kids are expected to say yes sir, no  ma&#039;am, please and thank you.  There is a year-round Christmas tree in the library at school.  It is a multi-ethnic community with plenty of mixed race marriages and children.  (Yes, majority white.)  I sometimes watch the news and wonder what world those other people live in, as I&#039;ve never encountered that particular world...except in Memphis on Beale St.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think part of the problem may be related to the ascendance of the Acela corridor and the coastal enclaves.  As a WASP female in the South a certain amount of decorum is expected.  Watching the news today it seems as if there are no standards of behavior at all&#8230;even for members of Congress.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t tell you how many times we have stopped watching shows because suddenly cursing and LBGTQ+ suddenly invaded a previously very much enjoyed show.  (The most recent of these is The Orville &#8211; very Star Trek-esq until last nights episode where one character has a porn addiction and his (also male) spouse tries to kill him.  Not to mention the last season where the same couple had a female child &#8211; which was politically incorrect in their society &#8211; and chose to change said child&#8217;s gender.  Do we want to watch that with our pre-teen?  NO!).<br />
Modern Family is not included in that, as part of the premise of the show happens to be the gay couple and their adoption of Lily along with all the other weird family stuff that has to be dealt with.  I have gay relatives and friends.  Don&#8217;t care who they choose to share their life with, just hate having the entertainment industry trying to shove acceptance of it down my throat.</p>
<p>We live in the country.  The kids are expected to say yes sir, no  ma&#8217;am, please and thank you.  There is a year-round Christmas tree in the library at school.  It is a multi-ethnic community with plenty of mixed race marriages and children.  (Yes, majority white.)  I sometimes watch the news and wonder what world those other people live in, as I&#8217;ve never encountered that particular world&#8230;except in Memphis on Beale St.</p>
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		By: Donkatsu		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Donkatsu]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2019 22:13:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[FWIW, I think a Neo is right. It goes back to Nixon. However, this is the earlier Alger Hiss business. As I as was told by one resident in a very NYC retirement community in Florida in the 1990s “ he (Hiss) could go on tv and admit he spied. I still wouldn’t believe him.”  This after a the  Venona intercepts were published clearly showing Hiss’s guilt.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FWIW, I think a Neo is right. It goes back to Nixon. However, this is the earlier Alger Hiss business. As I as was told by one resident in a very NYC retirement community in Florida in the 1990s “ he (Hiss) could go on tv and admit he spied. I still wouldn’t believe him.”  This after a the  Venona intercepts were published clearly showing Hiss’s guilt.</p>
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		By: neo		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2019/01/03/the-growth-of-political-anger-and-the-idea-of-political-illegitimacy/#comment-2417982</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2019 19:09:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Phoenix:

People generally used to be a bit more circumspect in their hatred back in the Reagan days.  Also, they didn&#039;t have to talk about how they wanted him assassinated---it had nearly happened.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phoenix:</p>
<p>People generally used to be a bit more circumspect in their hatred back in the Reagan days.  Also, they didn&#8217;t have to talk about how they wanted him assassinated&#8212;it had nearly happened.</p>
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		By: FOAF		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[FOAF]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2019 17:37:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Phoenix, there may not have been “virulent hatred” a la Trump directed at Reagan but there was a boatload of sneering contempt - “dimwitted senile failed B-movie actor” etc.  At the time I was voting Democrat and shared those sentiments to some degree but one of the things that started me “changing” was seeing Reagan actually carrying out what he said he was going to do.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phoenix, there may not have been “virulent hatred” a la Trump directed at Reagan but there was a boatload of sneering contempt &#8211; “dimwitted senile failed B-movie actor” etc.  At the time I was voting Democrat and shared those sentiments to some degree but one of the things that started me “changing” was seeing Reagan actually carrying out what he said he was going to do.</p>
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		By: om		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[om]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2019 17:32:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In ArtDeco we have found Artfldgrs&#039; doppelganger: just as arrogant and condescending but with more focus.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In ArtDeco we have found Artfldgrs&#8217; doppelganger: just as arrogant and condescending but with more focus.</p>
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		By: Art Deco		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2019/01/03/the-growth-of-political-anger-and-the-idea-of-political-illegitimacy/#comment-2417966</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Art Deco]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2019 16:58:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;I just don’t remember the virulent hatred directed at George W. and Trump being directed at Reagan the same way. Yes, they despised him and what he stood for, but I can’t recall any assassination porn like GW and T have been subjected to.&lt;/i&gt;

Not sure the three antagonisms were strictly comparable due to qualitative differences.  Reagan was challenging to the prevailing order in Washington in a way no other post-war Republican has been.  What was disconcerting about Bush Derangement Syndrome is that it was directed at a man whose policy preferences were familiar and banal and who was not confrontational in re domestic policy or, indeed, domestic discourse.  See, for example, Mitch Daniels on Bush&#039;s approach to budgetry.  It was during the Bush years we learned that the Democratic Party nexus thought they owned the government and that the opposition was engaging in criminal acts by winning elections.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I just don’t remember the virulent hatred directed at George W. and Trump being directed at Reagan the same way. Yes, they despised him and what he stood for, but I can’t recall any assassination porn like GW and T have been subjected to.</i></p>
<p>Not sure the three antagonisms were strictly comparable due to qualitative differences.  Reagan was challenging to the prevailing order in Washington in a way no other post-war Republican has been.  What was disconcerting about Bush Derangement Syndrome is that it was directed at a man whose policy preferences were familiar and banal and who was not confrontational in re domestic policy or, indeed, domestic discourse.  See, for example, Mitch Daniels on Bush&#8217;s approach to budgetry.  It was during the Bush years we learned that the Democratic Party nexus thought they owned the government and that the opposition was engaging in criminal acts by winning elections.</p>
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		By: Art Deco		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2019/01/03/the-growth-of-political-anger-and-the-idea-of-political-illegitimacy/#comment-2417965</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Art Deco]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2019 16:52:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;and him moving us off the gold standard for our currency (which, even as a child, I thought was one of the stupidest things our government could do). &lt;/i&gt;

Well, you were wrong.  And the Bretton Woods system was not a classical gold standard, while we&#039;re at it.  It was a currency peg.  We have a diversified economy with a large domestic market and we aren&#039;t intensely trade-dependent.  We can do quite well without a currency peg.  The period from 1966 to 1971 demonstrated that currency pegs weren&#039;t sufficient to contain inflation and the period since 1982 has demonstrated that they aren&#039;t necessary.  Milton Friedman was an inveterate advocate of floating exchange rates.

Our last experience with a classical gold standard was the period running from 1929 to 1933.  There&#039;s a reason we don&#039;t have one anymore.  Sir Alan Walters, monetarist extraordinaire and confidant of Margaret Thatcher, had this to say in 1984 about advocates of a return to gold: &#039;crackers&#039;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>and him moving us off the gold standard for our currency (which, even as a child, I thought was one of the stupidest things our government could do). </i></p>
<p>Well, you were wrong.  And the Bretton Woods system was not a classical gold standard, while we&#8217;re at it.  It was a currency peg.  We have a diversified economy with a large domestic market and we aren&#8217;t intensely trade-dependent.  We can do quite well without a currency peg.  The period from 1966 to 1971 demonstrated that currency pegs weren&#8217;t sufficient to contain inflation and the period since 1982 has demonstrated that they aren&#8217;t necessary.  Milton Friedman was an inveterate advocate of floating exchange rates.</p>
<p>Our last experience with a classical gold standard was the period running from 1929 to 1933.  There&#8217;s a reason we don&#8217;t have one anymore.  Sir Alan Walters, monetarist extraordinaire and confidant of Margaret Thatcher, had this to say in 1984 about advocates of a return to gold: &#8216;crackers&#8217;.</p>
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		By: Phoenix		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Phoenix]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2019 16:33:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t remember much about the Nixon Presidency except for the Watergate hearings on tv and him moving us off the gold standard for our currency (which, even as a child, I thought was one of the stupidest things our government could do).  My father was a Dem operative and union organizer, so I grew up around the Union Hall and spent election day handing out flyers with my parents at polling places.  Hated Carter (thought he was too weak) and gleefully voted for Reagan over Mondale (much to my parents&#039; dismay).  

When my father entered the corporate world he got a really sour taste re: both Dems and unions, coming to realize that they did NOT care about workers, just about gaining and maintaining power.  It was something I saw at twelve years old and we had frequent arguments about it.  

The media and the Democrats (but I repeat myself) hated Reagan and loved Clinton.  There was actually a time when I considered Clinton to be the best Republican on the Hill, as during his triangulation days he was doing things people wanted.

I just don&#039;t remember the virulent hatred directed at George W. and Trump being directed at Reagan the same way.  Yes, they despised him and what he stood for, but I can&#039;t recall any assassination porn like GW and T have been subjected to.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t remember much about the Nixon Presidency except for the Watergate hearings on tv and him moving us off the gold standard for our currency (which, even as a child, I thought was one of the stupidest things our government could do).  My father was a Dem operative and union organizer, so I grew up around the Union Hall and spent election day handing out flyers with my parents at polling places.  Hated Carter (thought he was too weak) and gleefully voted for Reagan over Mondale (much to my parents&#8217; dismay).  </p>
<p>When my father entered the corporate world he got a really sour taste re: both Dems and unions, coming to realize that they did NOT care about workers, just about gaining and maintaining power.  It was something I saw at twelve years old and we had frequent arguments about it.  </p>
<p>The media and the Democrats (but I repeat myself) hated Reagan and loved Clinton.  There was actually a time when I considered Clinton to be the best Republican on the Hill, as during his triangulation days he was doing things people wanted.</p>
<p>I just don&#8217;t remember the virulent hatred directed at George W. and Trump being directed at Reagan the same way.  Yes, they despised him and what he stood for, but I can&#8217;t recall any assassination porn like GW and T have been subjected to.</p>
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		By: Art Deco		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Art Deco]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2019 13:55:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Don’t we all but some of use try to provide evidence to support our opinions.&lt;/i&gt;

I&#039;m happy to do that, but I&#039;m not going to give you footnotes constructed per the &lt;i&gt;Chicago Manual of Style&lt;/i&gt; unbidden. This is an idle hobby and I&#039;m not writing term papers for you.    I&#039;m sure your public library has a copy of Dean&#039;s memoir and Liddy&#039;s memoir.  &lt;i&gt;Readers&#039; Guide to Periodical Literature&lt;/i&gt; will take you to their magazine journalism.  

All of my references were to things which were common knowledge among those reading the papers with care at the time.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Don’t we all but some of use try to provide evidence to support our opinions.</i></p>
<p>I&#8217;m happy to do that, but I&#8217;m not going to give you footnotes constructed per the <i>Chicago Manual of Style</i> unbidden. This is an idle hobby and I&#8217;m not writing term papers for you.    I&#8217;m sure your public library has a copy of Dean&#8217;s memoir and Liddy&#8217;s memoir.  <i>Readers&#8217; Guide to Periodical Literature</i> will take you to their magazine journalism.  </p>
<p>All of my references were to things which were common knowledge among those reading the papers with care at the time.</p>
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