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		By: Mike K		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2019/01/02/and-in-this-corner-theres-romney/#comment-2417848</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2019 19:33:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Art Deco, you are &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-2000-11-04-0011040245-story.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; correct about the date. &lt;/a&gt;  I remembered an earlier date but I think that was the date Connolly learned about it. He held the story until the last minute. I still blame Rove although Karen Hughes apparently had a role in covering it up, as well.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Art Deco, you are <a href="https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-2000-11-04-0011040245-story.html" rel="nofollow"> correct about the date. </a>  I remembered an earlier date but I think that was the date Connolly learned about it. He held the story until the last minute. I still blame Rove although Karen Hughes apparently had a role in covering it up, as well.</p>
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		By: Art Deco		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2019/01/02/and-in-this-corner-theres-romney/#comment-2417840</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Art Deco]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2019 18:27:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[If you say so.  The news articles I&#039;m locating have dates on them around 3 November 2000.  Here&#039;s one:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2000/nov/04/uselections2000.usa4]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you say so.  The news articles I&#8217;m locating have dates on them around 3 November 2000.  Here&#8217;s one:</p>
<p><a href="https://www.theguardian.com/world/2000/nov/04/uselections2000.usa4" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.theguardian.com/world/2000/nov/04/uselections2000.usa4</a></p>
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		By: Mike K		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2019/01/02/and-in-this-corner-theres-romney/#comment-2417838</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike K]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2019 18:09:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;It was a late October surprise, and I doubt it cost him 10 votes among politically-committed evangelicals.&lt;/i&gt;

The Democrat activist lawyer published the story in September.  You certainly have the right to your opinions.

A 2% shift would have avoided the Florida problem.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>It was a late October surprise, and I doubt it cost him 10 votes among politically-committed evangelicals.</i></p>
<p>The Democrat activist lawyer published the story in September.  You certainly have the right to your opinions.</p>
<p>A 2% shift would have avoided the Florida problem.</p>
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		By: Art Deco		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2019/01/02/and-in-this-corner-theres-romney/#comment-2417830</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Art Deco]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2019 17:38:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Coming as a September surprise, it hurt him badly with Evangelicals. &lt;/i&gt;

It was a late October surprise, and I doubt it cost him 10 votes among politically-committed evangelicals.  If it cost him, it was among a small corps of swing voters who hadn&#039;t made up their minds.  James Neuchterlein&#039;s take on these types:  they cast their vote based on observations like &#039;she reminds me of my first wife&#039;.  Lawrence Walsh was playing to the same corps of voters with his bogus indictment of Caspar Weinberger in 1992.  


I&#039;ve a family of partisan Democrats and I cannot remember one of them remarking on the November-December 2000 imbroglio after it was over.  The chairman of the local Democratic caucus in the small town where I was then living was a personal friend.  I cannot recall it was taking up space in his head, either.  I have a suspicion that at the source of the intense hostility to George W. Bush was a generational shift in the Democratic Party and the media, especially the media.  Gen-X cohorts are now replacing Boomer cohorts as organizational chieftains, but it hasn&#039;t had a discernible salutary effect; if anything, things are worse.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Coming as a September surprise, it hurt him badly with Evangelicals. </i></p>
<p>It was a late October surprise, and I doubt it cost him 10 votes among politically-committed evangelicals.  If it cost him, it was among a small corps of swing voters who hadn&#8217;t made up their minds.  James Neuchterlein&#8217;s take on these types:  they cast their vote based on observations like &#8216;she reminds me of my first wife&#8217;.  Lawrence Walsh was playing to the same corps of voters with his bogus indictment of Caspar Weinberger in 1992.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve a family of partisan Democrats and I cannot remember one of them remarking on the November-December 2000 imbroglio after it was over.  The chairman of the local Democratic caucus in the small town where I was then living was a personal friend.  I cannot recall it was taking up space in his head, either.  I have a suspicion that at the source of the intense hostility to George W. Bush was a generational shift in the Democratic Party and the media, especially the media.  Gen-X cohorts are now replacing Boomer cohorts as organizational chieftains, but it hasn&#8217;t had a discernible salutary effect; if anything, things are worse.</p>
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		By: John Dough		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2019/01/02/and-in-this-corner-theres-romney/#comment-2417828</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Dough]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2019 17:27:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Former Education Secretary William Bennett said it best when asked to describe the Trump Presidency. He said, &quot;sometimes we need Mother Teresa and other times we need Dirty Harry&quot;

Mitt..ens has always played the Mother Teresa part. Unfortunately the other side isn&#039;t, so in my opinion Dirty Harry (Trump) is appropriate at this time. 

&quot;Make my day&quot;....]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Former Education Secretary William Bennett said it best when asked to describe the Trump Presidency. He said, &#8220;sometimes we need Mother Teresa and other times we need Dirty Harry&#8221;</p>
<p>Mitt..ens has always played the Mother Teresa part. Unfortunately the other side isn&#8217;t, so in my opinion Dirty Harry (Trump) is appropriate at this time. </p>
<p>&#8220;Make my day&#8221;&#8230;.</p>
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		By: Fractal Rabbit		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2019 16:26:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Molly Brown said:

&quot;Ann is a troll.&quot;

That&#039;s giving her too much credit. Ann isn&#039;t an outright opponent. That takes, you know, guts. She&#039;s an &quot;ally&quot;. Nothing brings out Ann&#039;s monomania like Trump&#039;s tone and language.

And few things annoy me like the Concerned Gentle-people who refuse to face front and fire at the enemy. Or at least just get out of the damned way and keep their mouth shut. They are concerned about tone, about language, about fair play. Concerned about all of these things when the enemy arrayed against you wants to make you and yours extinct. Hell, if given the chance, they&#039;d make half of their own side&#039;s &#039;wrong thinkers&#039; extinct.

An enemy that doesn&#039;t give a damn about their tone or yours, unless its useful to them. An enemy that doesn&#039;t give a damn about language, unless its useful to them. An enemy that never plays fair but expects the rest of us to.


Here&#039;s a question Ann: Can you offer a constructive method for fighting an enemy like that in an existential fight-and make no mistake, this is existential-a method that is fighting fair and nice and polite?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Molly Brown said:</p>
<p>&#8220;Ann is a troll.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s giving her too much credit. Ann isn&#8217;t an outright opponent. That takes, you know, guts. She&#8217;s an &#8220;ally&#8221;. Nothing brings out Ann&#8217;s monomania like Trump&#8217;s tone and language.</p>
<p>And few things annoy me like the Concerned Gentle-people who refuse to face front and fire at the enemy. Or at least just get out of the damned way and keep their mouth shut. They are concerned about tone, about language, about fair play. Concerned about all of these things when the enemy arrayed against you wants to make you and yours extinct. Hell, if given the chance, they&#8217;d make half of their own side&#8217;s &#8216;wrong thinkers&#8217; extinct.</p>
<p>An enemy that doesn&#8217;t give a damn about their tone or yours, unless its useful to them. An enemy that doesn&#8217;t give a damn about language, unless its useful to them. An enemy that never plays fair but expects the rest of us to.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a question Ann: Can you offer a constructive method for fighting an enemy like that in an existential fight-and make no mistake, this is existential-a method that is fighting fair and nice and polite?</p>
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		By: Mike K		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2019/01/02/and-in-this-corner-theres-romney/#comment-2417820</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike K]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2019 16:00:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I agree that the anger and hate by Democrats began in 2001 when Bush was elected.  Some of this I blame on Karl Rove who should have advised Bush to disclose his drunk driving story early in the campaign. He could have spun it as the moment when he got religion.

Coming as a September surprise, it hurt him badly with Evangelicals. I did not like Bush in 2000 and volunteered for McCain in the primary. I voted for Bush but was not that concerned about Gore, who I thought was a sensible Democrat in spite of his loony ideas about global warming.  I think Gore went psychotic over losing.  The Democrats did, too.

They obstructed Bush&#039;s appointments until 9/11.  At the time of the attack, Rumsfeld had one appointment filled at DoD.  Bush was treated as badly as Trump but did not fight back like Trump.  I supported the Iraq invasion but now think it was a mistake. Most of the mistake was Bremer and State.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that the anger and hate by Democrats began in 2001 when Bush was elected.  Some of this I blame on Karl Rove who should have advised Bush to disclose his drunk driving story early in the campaign. He could have spun it as the moment when he got religion.</p>
<p>Coming as a September surprise, it hurt him badly with Evangelicals. I did not like Bush in 2000 and volunteered for McCain in the primary. I voted for Bush but was not that concerned about Gore, who I thought was a sensible Democrat in spite of his loony ideas about global warming.  I think Gore went psychotic over losing.  The Democrats did, too.</p>
<p>They obstructed Bush&#8217;s appointments until 9/11.  At the time of the attack, Rumsfeld had one appointment filled at DoD.  Bush was treated as badly as Trump but did not fight back like Trump.  I supported the Iraq invasion but now think it was a mistake. Most of the mistake was Bremer and State.</p>
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		By: Phoenix		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Phoenix]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2019 15:03:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I believe that Scott Adams is correct in saying that we are watching two movies - The one where the Orange Man is Bad, and the one where Our President Trump takes on the evil Powers that be.  And in my personal opinion that split occurred during the aftermath of the 2000 election when Al Gore refused to concede to George W.  There are still democrats who, to this very day, believe that the election was stolen from them.  This in spite of at least three audits by news organizations showing George W. having more votes than Al Gore.  They also ignore the fact that  if Al Gore had bothered to campaign in his &quot;home state&quot; of TN he may have been able to pull it out.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe that Scott Adams is correct in saying that we are watching two movies &#8211; The one where the Orange Man is Bad, and the one where Our President Trump takes on the evil Powers that be.  And in my personal opinion that split occurred during the aftermath of the 2000 election when Al Gore refused to concede to George W.  There are still democrats who, to this very day, believe that the election was stolen from them.  This in spite of at least three audits by news organizations showing George W. having more votes than Al Gore.  They also ignore the fact that  if Al Gore had bothered to campaign in his &#8220;home state&#8221; of TN he may have been able to pull it out.</p>
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		By: Mike K		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2019/01/02/and-in-this-corner-theres-romney/#comment-2417811</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike K]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2019 14:49:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;If he were ‘one of the most untalented politicians around’, he would not have performed so well in Republican primary and caucus donnybrooks, would not have been elected Governor of Massachusetts, and would not have been able to rescue the Olympic games. &lt;/i&gt;&#060;

Romney was a talented businessman and made a lot of money. His political skills were enhanced by a willingness to say what people wanted and a lack of commitment to principles.  In Mass he was pro-abortion and pro-single payer.

As a GOP nominee, he was the opposite although he never really made an argument about why Romneycare was not Obamacare.  I supported him but thought he took a TKO in the second debate.

He is now getting a lot of blowback from his op-ed, which will be seen by a lot more people than he realizes as treason to the party.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>If he were ‘one of the most untalented politicians around’, he would not have performed so well in Republican primary and caucus donnybrooks, would not have been elected Governor of Massachusetts, and would not have been able to rescue the Olympic games. </i>&lt;</p>
<p>Romney was a talented businessman and made a lot of money. His political skills were enhanced by a willingness to say what people wanted and a lack of commitment to principles.  In Mass he was pro-abortion and pro-single payer.</p>
<p>As a GOP nominee, he was the opposite although he never really made an argument about why Romneycare was not Obamacare.  I supported him but thought he took a TKO in the second debate.</p>
<p>He is now getting a lot of blowback from his op-ed, which will be seen by a lot more people than he realizes as treason to the party.</p>
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		By: Art Deco		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Art Deco]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2019 10:01:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;I’ve always regarded Romney as one of the most untalented politicians around. &lt;/i&gt;

If he were &#039;one of the most untalented politicians around&#039;, he would not have performed so well in Republican primary and caucus donnybrooks, would not have been elected Governor of Massachusetts, and would not have been able to rescue the Olympic games.   Unlike in re Obama, you can&#039;t make the argument Romney was spam-in-a-can marketed by the likes of David Plouffe.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I’ve always regarded Romney as one of the most untalented politicians around. </i></p>
<p>If he were &#8216;one of the most untalented politicians around&#8217;, he would not have performed so well in Republican primary and caucus donnybrooks, would not have been elected Governor of Massachusetts, and would not have been able to rescue the Olympic games.   Unlike in re Obama, you can&#8217;t make the argument Romney was spam-in-a-can marketed by the likes of David Plouffe.</p>
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