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		By: neo		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2018/12/22/to-life-and-to-cultural-appropriation/#comment-2416777</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Dec 2018 05:06:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[huxley:

The movie is easiest, but I don&#039;t like it and don&#039;t recommend it. 

The theater is the best way to see it.  If you can get to the Yiddish one I highly recommend it, but any good regional or college theater would work.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>huxley:</p>
<p>The movie is easiest, but I don&#8217;t like it and don&#8217;t recommend it. </p>
<p>The theater is the best way to see it.  If you can get to the Yiddish one I highly recommend it, but any good regional or college theater would work.</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2018/12/22/to-life-and-to-cultural-appropriation/#comment-2416764</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[huxley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Dec 2018 02:53:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Maybe the deplorables in the other hemisphere are more like ours than either group is like the global elite.&lt;/i&gt;

AesopFan: I suspect that&#039;s the case. Anyway, it was a trip to see dear Patsy Cline on an Irish jukebox.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Maybe the deplorables in the other hemisphere are more like ours than either group is like the global elite.</i></p>
<p>AesopFan: I suspect that&#8217;s the case. Anyway, it was a trip to see dear Patsy Cline on an Irish jukebox.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Dec 2018 02:10:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[huxley on December 24, 2018 at 1:37 am at 1:37 am said:
Tom: funny to hear that Country Roads is such a hit in Slovakia.

AesopFan, Tom: I was sure surprised when I got to a hotel in Wicklow, Ireland and discovered their bar jukebox was mostly American C&#038;W.

I mentioned it to my Irish friend and he laughed. He said that’s how it is everywhere outside the major cities.
* * *
It&#039;s kind of funny (this in juxtaposition to the downfall of Der Spiegel&#039;s serial fabulist; Baron Munchhausen lives!) that Europeans love to hate Americans, but they play our music, watch our movies, and wear our clothes (not to mention using our technology).
But why C&#038;W rather than R&#038;R or whatever the current favorite is?
Maybe the deplorables in the other hemisphere are more like ours than either group is like the global elite.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>huxley on December 24, 2018 at 1:37 am at 1:37 am said:<br />
Tom: funny to hear that Country Roads is such a hit in Slovakia.</p>
<p>AesopFan, Tom: I was sure surprised when I got to a hotel in Wicklow, Ireland and discovered their bar jukebox was mostly American C&amp;W.</p>
<p>I mentioned it to my Irish friend and he laughed. He said that’s how it is everywhere outside the major cities.<br />
* * *<br />
It&#8217;s kind of funny (this in juxtaposition to the downfall of Der Spiegel&#8217;s serial fabulist; Baron Munchhausen lives!) that Europeans love to hate Americans, but they play our music, watch our movies, and wear our clothes (not to mention using our technology).<br />
But why C&amp;W rather than R&amp;R or whatever the current favorite is?<br />
Maybe the deplorables in the other hemisphere are more like ours than either group is like the global elite.</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2018/12/22/to-life-and-to-cultural-appropriation/#comment-2416739</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Dec 2018 00:51:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[So what&#039;s a good starter &quot;Fiddler&quot; for those of us who know nothing beyond &quot;If I were a rich man...&quot;?

Rent the movie? Go to Broadway? Listen to the soundtrack? Make it to the Yiddish version?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So what&#8217;s a good starter &#8220;Fiddler&#8221; for those of us who know nothing beyond &#8220;If I were a rich man&#8230;&#8221;?</p>
<p>Rent the movie? Go to Broadway? Listen to the soundtrack? Make it to the Yiddish version?</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2018/12/22/to-life-and-to-cultural-appropriation/#comment-2416719</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Dec 2018 21:56:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The poignancy of Tevye&#039;s estrangement from Chava is much more understandable than the fissures opening between left and right in this era.
See KyndyllG&#039;s comment here.
https://www.thenewneo.com/2018/12/22/swedens-two-worlds/#comment-2416704]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The poignancy of Tevye&#8217;s estrangement from Chava is much more understandable than the fissures opening between left and right in this era.<br />
See KyndyllG&#8217;s comment here.<br />
<a href="https://www.thenewneo.com/2018/12/22/swedens-two-worlds/#comment-2416704" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.thenewneo.com/2018/12/22/swedens-two-worlds/#comment-2416704</a></p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Dec 2018 20:22:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Richard Saunders: Nice job! For me the lines about the north and south winds clinched it.

However, most of &quot;Dodi Li&quot; is rather generic. &quot;My beloved is mine&quot; is barely memorable. &quot;The shepherd [grazing his flock] among the lilies&quot; is in the vicinity of the English translations but doesn&#039;t line up. I find no lilies anywhere.

&quot;Song of Songs&quot; contains much bold, unmistakable imagery, almost none of which made it into &quot;Dodi Li.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard Saunders: Nice job! For me the lines about the north and south winds clinched it.</p>
<p>However, most of &#8220;Dodi Li&#8221; is rather generic. &#8220;My beloved is mine&#8221; is barely memorable. &#8220;The shepherd [grazing his flock] among the lilies&#8221; is in the vicinity of the English translations but doesn&#8217;t line up. I find no lilies anywhere.</p>
<p>&#8220;Song of Songs&#8221; contains much bold, unmistakable imagery, almost none of which made it into &#8220;Dodi Li.&#8221;</p>
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		By: neo		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Dec 2018 19:19:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[AVI:

In the version I reviewed here, the humor was downplayed and the depth and unseriousness was highlighted.  

I also saw a number of people do it on Broadway, including Mostel.  There were varying degrees of emphasis on the humor, with Mostel being the most clownish.  I wasn&#039;t especially keen on his version.

By the way, Judaism is keen on love.  Marriages were traditionally arranged a great deal of the time, and they were not based on initial attraction/love, but it was considered that a couple could and would grown into love and that that was a good thing.  That&#039;s what that song is about, by the way.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AVI:</p>
<p>In the version I reviewed here, the humor was downplayed and the depth and unseriousness was highlighted.  </p>
<p>I also saw a number of people do it on Broadway, including Mostel.  There were varying degrees of emphasis on the humor, with Mostel being the most clownish.  I wasn&#8217;t especially keen on his version.</p>
<p>By the way, Judaism is keen on love.  Marriages were traditionally arranged a great deal of the time, and they were not based on initial attraction/love, but it was considered that a couple could and would grown into love and that that was a good thing.  That&#8217;s what that song is about, by the way.</p>
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		By: Assistant Village Idiot		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Dec 2018 17:35:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I was in a production outside Boston in 1972 and have tended to insert Tevye into every role since - good thing I no longer do theater much.  I read the Sholem Aleichem (wonderful name!) stories the next year.  When we had children, I found myself becoming more like Tevye.  An adaptation of a line is even on my blog profile.

I come down between neo and LTEC on the good-bad assimilation question. It is foremost that Fiddler is a description of what did happen in that world and how people responded to that. It is portrayed as rather inevitable many traditions went away.  It also portrays Tevye&#039;s stance in a sympathetic light to an audience that might be dismissive.  Explaining the ways of Tevye to Broadway, to paraphrase Milton. The last three songs, &quot;Far from the home I love,&quot; &quot;Chavela,&quot; and &quot;Anatevka&quot; certainly portray what will be lost, and how high the price is. 

Yet right from the opening number there is an undercurrent of humor about these old ways that is not 100% respectful, and &quot;Do You Love Me?&quot; suggests that Tevye is correct to take on some new ways, even if on his own terms. Marriage for love is portrayed as good throughout the show. Interesting that it was not so in the Yiddish movie.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was in a production outside Boston in 1972 and have tended to insert Tevye into every role since &#8211; good thing I no longer do theater much.  I read the Sholem Aleichem (wonderful name!) stories the next year.  When we had children, I found myself becoming more like Tevye.  An adaptation of a line is even on my blog profile.</p>
<p>I come down between neo and LTEC on the good-bad assimilation question. It is foremost that Fiddler is a description of what did happen in that world and how people responded to that. It is portrayed as rather inevitable many traditions went away.  It also portrays Tevye&#8217;s stance in a sympathetic light to an audience that might be dismissive.  Explaining the ways of Tevye to Broadway, to paraphrase Milton. The last three songs, &#8220;Far from the home I love,&#8221; &#8220;Chavela,&#8221; and &#8220;Anatevka&#8221; certainly portray what will be lost, and how high the price is. </p>
<p>Yet right from the opening number there is an undercurrent of humor about these old ways that is not 100% respectful, and &#8220;Do You Love Me?&#8221; suggests that Tevye is correct to take on some new ways, even if on his own terms. Marriage for love is portrayed as good throughout the show. Interesting that it was not so in the Yiddish movie.</p>
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		By: Richard Saunders		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Dec 2018 16:03:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Huxley:

Here are identical or similar verses:

Dodi Li --                                                                          Song of Songs

My beloved is mine and I am his,                                         -- 2:16 
The shepherd [grazing his flock] among the lilies.     -- 1:7-8
Who is this, rising up from the desert
Who is she, rising up?                                                 -- 8:5
Perfumed with myrrh and frankincense                   -- 4:6
Myrrh and frankincense.
My beloved is mine and I am his,
The shepherd [grazing his flock] among the lilies.         
You have captured my heart, my sister, my bride.        -- 4:10
You have captured my heart, my bride.
My beloved is mine and I am his,
The shepherd [grazing his flock] among the lilies..
Awaken, north wind, and come, south wind.                 -- 4:16
My beloved is mine and I am his,
The shepherd [grazing his flock] among the lilies.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Huxley:</p>
<p>Here are identical or similar verses:</p>
<p>Dodi Li &#8212;                                                                          Song of Songs</p>
<p>My beloved is mine and I am his,                                         &#8212; 2:16<br />
The shepherd [grazing his flock] among the lilies.     &#8212; 1:7-8<br />
Who is this, rising up from the desert<br />
Who is she, rising up?                                                 &#8212; 8:5<br />
Perfumed with myrrh and frankincense                   &#8212; 4:6<br />
Myrrh and frankincense.<br />
My beloved is mine and I am his,<br />
The shepherd [grazing his flock] among the lilies.<br />
You have captured my heart, my sister, my bride.        &#8212; 4:10<br />
You have captured my heart, my bride.<br />
My beloved is mine and I am his,<br />
The shepherd [grazing his flock] among the lilies..<br />
Awaken, north wind, and come, south wind.                 &#8212; 4:16<br />
My beloved is mine and I am his,<br />
The shepherd [grazing his flock] among the lilies.</p>
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		By: Ed Bonderenka		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ed Bonderenka]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Dec 2018 15:20:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[My late good friend Nate Weiser married his Episcopalian wife Norah and had three kids and a few grandchildren.
Nate was the only practicing Jew in the crew.
The Nazis would have killed them all,]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My late good friend Nate Weiser married his Episcopalian wife Norah and had three kids and a few grandchildren.<br />
Nate was the only practicing Jew in the crew.<br />
The Nazis would have killed them all,</p>
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