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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2018/11/28/old-wall-new-wall/#comment-2413793</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2018 03:25:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Snow on Pine on November 29, 2018 at 9:06 am at 9:06 am said:

To reply to the Pope: without national security, there is no such thing as personal safety.

In re the tunnels: the Israelis have no lack of will, but only recently have gotten the hang of finding the tunnels before they are put into action.
However, no matter how willing our Border Patrol is to find tunnels, there has to be back-up and support from other agencies in the government.
And finally: it is not impossible that the people tasked with finding tunnels have been paid off by the tunnelers.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Snow on Pine on November 29, 2018 at 9:06 am at 9:06 am said:</p>
<p>To reply to the Pope: without national security, there is no such thing as personal safety.</p>
<p>In re the tunnels: the Israelis have no lack of will, but only recently have gotten the hang of finding the tunnels before they are put into action.<br />
However, no matter how willing our Border Patrol is to find tunnels, there has to be back-up and support from other agencies in the government.<br />
And finally: it is not impossible that the people tasked with finding tunnels have been paid off by the tunnelers.</p>
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		By: Snow on Pine		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Snow on Pine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2018 20:20:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[There have been all sorts of stories about the dozens and dozens tunnels that have been dug in an effort to defeat border walls--for example, terrorist tunnels along borders with Israel, and narco-trafficker tunnels along the U.S. southern border. 

In the U.S. the usual MO is apparently to find a building on the Mexican side that is very close to the border, to buy a building on the U.S. side that is also very close to the border and, then, to dig a tunnel under the border itself that connects these two locations. 

From the pictures I&#039;ve seen, some of these smuggler&#039;s tunnels--in some cases many hundreds of feet long--can be quite elaborate--with air handling equipment, lighting, and even small gauge tracks on their floors, so that--in addition to people using these tunnels--heavily laden carts full of drugs, weapons, and explosives, or whatever can be pushed from one location to the other.  

The thing is, I thought that between ground penetrating radar, the capabilities and high resolution of satellite imagery, and electronic sensors for sound and vibration, it ought to be easy to detect such tunnels--especially when they were under construction--and to shut them down.  

It would also seem logical for authorities to monitor the sale, use, and modification of buildings along both sides of the border.

Apparently detecting such tunnels is not that easy because, in the stories I have seen about such tunnels, most of them have been described as being completely built and, apparently, to have been in operation for some time before they were &quot;discovered.&quot;  

On the other hand, perhaps rather than a lack of technology, it might be a lack of will, with detecting such tunnels given lower priority that other things.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There have been all sorts of stories about the dozens and dozens tunnels that have been dug in an effort to defeat border walls&#8211;for example, terrorist tunnels along borders with Israel, and narco-trafficker tunnels along the U.S. southern border. </p>
<p>In the U.S. the usual MO is apparently to find a building on the Mexican side that is very close to the border, to buy a building on the U.S. side that is also very close to the border and, then, to dig a tunnel under the border itself that connects these two locations. </p>
<p>From the pictures I&#8217;ve seen, some of these smuggler&#8217;s tunnels&#8211;in some cases many hundreds of feet long&#8211;can be quite elaborate&#8211;with air handling equipment, lighting, and even small gauge tracks on their floors, so that&#8211;in addition to people using these tunnels&#8211;heavily laden carts full of drugs, weapons, and explosives, or whatever can be pushed from one location to the other.  </p>
<p>The thing is, I thought that between ground penetrating radar, the capabilities and high resolution of satellite imagery, and electronic sensors for sound and vibration, it ought to be easy to detect such tunnels&#8211;especially when they were under construction&#8211;and to shut them down.  </p>
<p>It would also seem logical for authorities to monitor the sale, use, and modification of buildings along both sides of the border.</p>
<p>Apparently detecting such tunnels is not that easy because, in the stories I have seen about such tunnels, most of them have been described as being completely built and, apparently, to have been in operation for some time before they were &#8220;discovered.&#8221;  </p>
<p>On the other hand, perhaps rather than a lack of technology, it might be a lack of will, with detecting such tunnels given lower priority that other things.</p>
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		By: n.n		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2018 18:20:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Security systems are realized in layers, and evolve as their environments are characterized.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Security systems are realized in layers, and evolve as their environments are characterized.</p>
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		By: MikeK		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2018 17:07:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I prefer &lt;a href=&quot;http://abriefhistory.org/?page_id=1710&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; this column of Warren&#039;s &lt;/a&gt; which I copied to save it from the memory hole.

&lt;i&gt;Yes: a lot of people have entertained the idea, that Mikhail Gorbachev was to the late great Soviet Union, what Barack Obama is to the surviving United States — the leader who reforms so many things so quickly that his country suddenly disappears.&lt;/i&gt;

Interesting comparison.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I prefer <a href="http://abriefhistory.org/?page_id=1710" rel="nofollow"> this column of Warren&#8217;s </a> which I copied to save it from the memory hole.</p>
<p><i>Yes: a lot of people have entertained the idea, that Mikhail Gorbachev was to the late great Soviet Union, what Barack Obama is to the surviving United States — the leader who reforms so many things so quickly that his country suddenly disappears.</i></p>
<p>Interesting comparison.</p>
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		By: Barry Meislin		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Barry Meislin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2018 15:59:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;...bleating...&quot;

Several observations from a former Canadian journalist who&#039;s been around the block, and then some...:
https://www.davidwarrenonline.com/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;bleating&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Several observations from a former Canadian journalist who&#8217;s been around the block, and then some&#8230;:<br />
<a href="https://www.davidwarrenonline.com/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.davidwarrenonline.com/</a></p>
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		By: kevino		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2018/11/28/old-wall-new-wall/#comment-2413715</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2018 15:47:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Frederick: You are correct: locks on doors are just a first step. If I&#039;m not home, the alarm should deter the bad guy. If the alarm doesn&#039;t go off, it means that my wife or I are home. Expect casualties.

Snow on Pine: Yes, Pope Francis is big on protecting migrants, while he lives in a private city-state surrounded by walls and armed guards, and his minions sexually abuse children and cover it up.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frederick: You are correct: locks on doors are just a first step. If I&#8217;m not home, the alarm should deter the bad guy. If the alarm doesn&#8217;t go off, it means that my wife or I are home. Expect casualties.</p>
<p>Snow on Pine: Yes, Pope Francis is big on protecting migrants, while he lives in a private city-state surrounded by walls and armed guards, and his minions sexually abuse children and cover it up.</p>
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		By: kevino		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2018 15:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[RE: &quot;I assume there’s a way to climb or tunnel under any wall. But that’s no reason not to make it more difficult to do.&quot;
Indeed. It&#039;s just a first step, but we are unlikely to get even that. The Ruling Class wants open borders, and that&#039;s what they&#039;re going to get. That&#039;s why they&#039;re called a &quot;Ruling Class&quot;.

Personally, I&#039;d like to build two fences with a mile or two in between. I&#039;d fill the space between with a mine field or nuclear waste. The message is: &quot;This wall is for your protection. You can go over or under it, but it&#039;s a bad idea.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RE: &#8220;I assume there’s a way to climb or tunnel under any wall. But that’s no reason not to make it more difficult to do.&#8221;<br />
Indeed. It&#8217;s just a first step, but we are unlikely to get even that. The Ruling Class wants open borders, and that&#8217;s what they&#8217;re going to get. That&#8217;s why they&#8217;re called a &#8220;Ruling Class&#8221;.</p>
<p>Personally, I&#8217;d like to build two fences with a mile or two in between. I&#8217;d fill the space between with a mine field or nuclear waste. The message is: &#8220;This wall is for your protection. You can go over or under it, but it&#8217;s a bad idea.&#8221;</p>
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		By: Hangtown Bob		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2018/11/28/old-wall-new-wall/#comment-2413713</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hangtown Bob]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2018 15:29:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[National Security Emergency.........


Army Corp of Engineers]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>National Security Emergency&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>Army Corp of Engineers</p>
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		By: MikeK		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MikeK]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2018 14:39:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;I note that he current far Left Pope Francis is bleating about how “migrant rights” trump national rights,&lt;/i&gt;

I&#039;d still like too know what happened with Pope Benedict.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I note that he current far Left Pope Francis is bleating about how “migrant rights” trump national rights,</i></p>
<p>I&#8217;d still like too know what happened with Pope Benedict.</p>
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		By: Liz		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Liz]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2018 14:10:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Just heard a report on Fox Business - there are health issues which need to be considered with the group.  There are confirmed cases of TB, chicken pox, and HIV/AIDS.  

https://www.foxnews.com/world/caravan-migrants-suffer-from-respiratory-infections-tuberculosis-chickenpox-other-health-issues-tijuana-government-says]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just heard a report on Fox Business &#8211; there are health issues which need to be considered with the group.  There are confirmed cases of TB, chicken pox, and HIV/AIDS.  </p>
<p><a href="https://www.foxnews.com/world/caravan-migrants-suffer-from-respiratory-infections-tuberculosis-chickenpox-other-health-issues-tijuana-government-says" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.foxnews.com/world/caravan-migrants-suffer-from-respiratory-infections-tuberculosis-chickenpox-other-health-issues-tijuana-government-says</a></p>
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