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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Manju, thanks for the extra information.  Always so much easier to discuss things with some documentation in sight.
&quot;Under US law…and you can see the law with your own two eyes here…”Any alien who is physically present in the United States or who arrives in the United States (whether or not at a designated port of arrival and including an alien who is brought to the United States after having been interdicted in international or United States waters), irrespective of such alien’s status, &lt;b&gt;may apply&lt;/b&gt; for asylum…&quot;

Kate on November 2, 2018 at 9:25 am at 9:25 am said:
Yes to what Art Deco says at 9:13 a.m. Plus, the law says “may apply” for asylum, &lt;b&gt;not that asylum must be granted. &lt;/b&gt;I see no bar to using illegal entry as a reason to refuse the asylum request.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Manju, thanks for the extra information.  Always so much easier to discuss things with some documentation in sight.<br />
&#8220;Under US law…and you can see the law with your own two eyes here…”Any alien who is physically present in the United States or who arrives in the United States (whether or not at a designated port of arrival and including an alien who is brought to the United States after having been interdicted in international or United States waters), irrespective of such alien’s status, <b>may apply</b> for asylum…&#8221;</p>
<p>Kate on November 2, 2018 at 9:25 am at 9:25 am said:<br />
Yes to what Art Deco says at 9:13 a.m. Plus, the law says “may apply” for asylum, <b>not that asylum must be granted. </b>I see no bar to using illegal entry as a reason to refuse the asylum request.<br />
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This.</p>
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		By: wammo		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2018 20:00:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[democrats making robo calls  saying to hispanics saying trump and republicans will take away your citizenship if you don&#039;t vote!]]></description>
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		By: MikeK		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MikeK]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2018 18:11:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In the era of Lincoln and the Civil War there were newspapers that were sponsored by political parties and which reliably presented that POV, Whig vs Democrat, for example. If you were a Whig you read the Whig newspaper. That did not change until World War II after which the old Republican oriented newspapers died off.  Frank Know was Roosevelt&#039;s Secretary of the Navy. &lt;a href=&quot;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Knox&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; He had been a newspaper owner and editor since 1912&lt;/a&gt; and the GOP VP candidate with Alf Landon in 1936.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the era of Lincoln and the Civil War there were newspapers that were sponsored by political parties and which reliably presented that POV, Whig vs Democrat, for example. If you were a Whig you read the Whig newspaper. That did not change until World War II after which the old Republican oriented newspapers died off.  Frank Know was Roosevelt&#8217;s Secretary of the Navy. <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Knox" rel="nofollow"> He had been a newspaper owner and editor since 1912</a> and the GOP VP candidate with Alf Landon in 1936.</p>
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		By: Art Deco		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2018 17:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Someone did a census of who &lt;i&gt;New York Times&lt;/i&gt; employees follow on Twitter.  It turned out they followed other people just like themselves.  There was one person the &lt;i&gt;Times&lt;/i&gt; staff couldn&#039;t be bothered with: Ross Douthat.  Only 10% of the staff followed his Twitter fee.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Someone did a census of who <i>New York Times</i> employees follow on Twitter.  It turned out they followed other people just like themselves.  There was one person the <i>Times</i> staff couldn&#8217;t be bothered with: Ross Douthat.  Only 10% of the staff followed his Twitter fee.</p>
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		By: Art Deco		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Art Deco]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2018 17:28:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Journalists were always corrupt and dishonest. &lt;/i&gt;

I think during the Newseum era (1955-95) there was a sense of professionalism which tended to contain the worst abuses.  Also, look at the Kilgallens, father and daughter, and what they had to say about their vocation.  Bennett Cerf said he and Arlene Francis never cared for Dorothy Kilgallen&#039;s politics (Hearst loyalist), but he did aver that she was a terrier as a &lt;i&gt;reporter&lt;/i&gt;, and when she got wind of a story, she would never let it go.  She wanted to tell stories.  Her father just &#039;ere his death listed all the sorts of stories he&#039;d covered in nearly 80 years in the reporter&#039;s trade, &quot;In what other line of work would I have seen such action?&quot;.  

I&#039;d note in this connection Fred Barnes recollection of his years working on opinion magazines during the period running from 1985 to 2000.  He said when he worked for &lt;i&gt;The New Republic&lt;/i&gt;, a dissenting liberal magazine, newspapers were calling all the time trying to recruit their interns and staff writers.  Barnes was always the odd man out there and when &lt;i&gt;The Weekly Standard&lt;/i&gt; was founded in 1995, he was hired there.  He said during his years at &lt;i&gt;The Standard&lt;/i&gt;, they had interns and staff writers of equal quality to those at &lt;i&gt;TNR&lt;/i&gt;, but there were no recruiting calls.  IIRC,  he could recall one person who&#039;d worked at &lt;i&gt;The Standard&lt;/i&gt; who had been hired by a provincial metropolitan newspaper during the period running from 1995 to 2000.  Newspapers were going out of their way to &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; hire people who had worked for the starboard press.  I note that at that time you could readily find print reporters who had worked at Pacifica and at &lt;i&gt;Out&lt;/i&gt;.  Jonah Goldberg offered that he discovered to hie surprise working at the defunct &lt;i&gt;Brill&#039;s Content&lt;/i&gt; (a media review) that the place was shot through with veterans of &lt;i&gt;Mother Jones&lt;/i&gt;.  

Barnes landed his first reporting job in 1965.  His frame of reference was there.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Journalists were always corrupt and dishonest. </i></p>
<p>I think during the Newseum era (1955-95) there was a sense of professionalism which tended to contain the worst abuses.  Also, look at the Kilgallens, father and daughter, and what they had to say about their vocation.  Bennett Cerf said he and Arlene Francis never cared for Dorothy Kilgallen&#8217;s politics (Hearst loyalist), but he did aver that she was a terrier as a <i>reporter</i>, and when she got wind of a story, she would never let it go.  She wanted to tell stories.  Her father just &#8216;ere his death listed all the sorts of stories he&#8217;d covered in nearly 80 years in the reporter&#8217;s trade, &#8220;In what other line of work would I have seen such action?&#8221;.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;d note in this connection Fred Barnes recollection of his years working on opinion magazines during the period running from 1985 to 2000.  He said when he worked for <i>The New Republic</i>, a dissenting liberal magazine, newspapers were calling all the time trying to recruit their interns and staff writers.  Barnes was always the odd man out there and when <i>The Weekly Standard</i> was founded in 1995, he was hired there.  He said during his years at <i>The Standard</i>, they had interns and staff writers of equal quality to those at <i>TNR</i>, but there were no recruiting calls.  IIRC,  he could recall one person who&#8217;d worked at <i>The Standard</i> who had been hired by a provincial metropolitan newspaper during the period running from 1995 to 2000.  Newspapers were going out of their way to <i>not</i> hire people who had worked for the starboard press.  I note that at that time you could readily find print reporters who had worked at Pacifica and at <i>Out</i>.  Jonah Goldberg offered that he discovered to hie surprise working at the defunct <i>Brill&#8217;s Content</i> (a media review) that the place was shot through with veterans of <i>Mother Jones</i>.  </p>
<p>Barnes landed his first reporting job in 1965.  His frame of reference was there.</p>
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		By: MikeK		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MikeK]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2018 15:37:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I noticed this cause:

&lt;i&gt;(2) Exceptions
(A) Safe third country
&lt;b&gt;Paragraph (1) shall not apply to an alien if the Attorney General determines that the alien may be removed, pursuant to a bilateral or multilateral agreement, &lt;/b&gt;to a country (other than the country of the alien’s nationality or, in the case of an alien having no nationality, the country of the alien’s last habitual residence) in which the alien’s life or freedom would not be threatened on account of race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group, or political opinion, and where the alien would have access to a full and fair procedure for determining a claim to asylum or equivalent temporary protection, unless the Attorney General finds that it is in the public interest for the alien to receive asylum in the United States.&lt;/i&gt;

I think this is coming quickly unless Mexico wants to see the border closed and all those Mexican trucks, that are now hauling &quot;Migrants&quot; north, barred from US highways.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I noticed this cause:</p>
<p><i>(2) Exceptions<br />
(A) Safe third country<br />
<b>Paragraph (1) shall not apply to an alien if the Attorney General determines that the alien may be removed, pursuant to a bilateral or multilateral agreement, </b>to a country (other than the country of the alien’s nationality or, in the case of an alien having no nationality, the country of the alien’s last habitual residence) in which the alien’s life or freedom would not be threatened on account of race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group, or political opinion, and where the alien would have access to a full and fair procedure for determining a claim to asylum or equivalent temporary protection, unless the Attorney General finds that it is in the public interest for the alien to receive asylum in the United States.</i></p>
<p>I think this is coming quickly unless Mexico wants to see the border closed and all those Mexican trucks, that are now hauling &#8220;Migrants&#8221; north, barred from US highways.</p>
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		By: Ray		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2018 14:57:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Journalists were always corrupt and dishonest. Remember Walter Duranty, the Pulitzer prize winning journalist? The journalists used to pretend they were objective but now they have stopped the pretense and are blatantly partisan.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Journalists were always corrupt and dishonest. Remember Walter Duranty, the Pulitzer prize winning journalist? The journalists used to pretend they were objective but now they have stopped the pretense and are blatantly partisan.</p>
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		By: windbag		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2018 13:28:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The rock throwing phrase caught my ear, because it will be interesting to see what happens if the army storming the gates decides to get violent.  Throwing rocks is something the Palestinian youths do to taunt Israeli troops, hoping to provoke a reaction that can be exploited by the press.  If the same tactics are used at our border, you can bet CNN is praying (whoever soulless halfwits pray to...Mother Gaia??...Lenin??) for a US soldier to even point a gun in the direction of the mob.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The rock throwing phrase caught my ear, because it will be interesting to see what happens if the army storming the gates decides to get violent.  Throwing rocks is something the Palestinian youths do to taunt Israeli troops, hoping to provoke a reaction that can be exploited by the press.  If the same tactics are used at our border, you can bet CNN is praying (whoever soulless halfwits pray to&#8230;Mother Gaia??&#8230;Lenin??) for a US soldier to even point a gun in the direction of the mob.</p>
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		By: Kate		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kate]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2018 13:25:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yes to what Art Deco says at 9:13 a.m.  Plus, the law says &quot;may apply&quot; for asylum, not that asylum must be granted.  I see no bar to using illegal entry as a reason to refuse the asylum request.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes to what Art Deco says at 9:13 a.m.  Plus, the law says &#8220;may apply&#8221; for asylum, not that asylum must be granted.  I see no bar to using illegal entry as a reason to refuse the asylum request.</p>
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		By: Art Deco		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Art Deco]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2018 13:13:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Almost none of them have a valid asylum claim.  Central America (and much of Mexico) suffer from wretched crime rates - worst in the world, nearly.  Guatemala and El Salvador are impecunious countries with household real income flows you might have seen in the industrial West in the early 20th century; Nicaragua and Honduras are poor countries with real income flows characteristic of the industrial West in the late 19th century.  Poor living conditions are unfortunate, but they are not a basis for asylum claims.   Bloc refugee flows (such as occur in the case of intramural warfare, are properly dealt with through camp construction and sustenance proximate to the violence, with a view to repatriating the refugees at the earliest opportunity.  That aside, asylum is properly granted only to people actively engaged in local politics or local labor disputes, or people who&#039;ve run afoul of some local Don Ciccio.  And the first question which needs to be asked is &quot;why are you here and not in [insert name of Spanish speaking country proximate to the country of origin of the applicant]?&quot;.  The answer to poor living conditions in Central America is institutional and economic development, not resettling Central Americans in Texas and California.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Almost none of them have a valid asylum claim.  Central America (and much of Mexico) suffer from wretched crime rates &#8211; worst in the world, nearly.  Guatemala and El Salvador are impecunious countries with household real income flows you might have seen in the industrial West in the early 20th century; Nicaragua and Honduras are poor countries with real income flows characteristic of the industrial West in the late 19th century.  Poor living conditions are unfortunate, but they are not a basis for asylum claims.   Bloc refugee flows (such as occur in the case of intramural warfare, are properly dealt with through camp construction and sustenance proximate to the violence, with a view to repatriating the refugees at the earliest opportunity.  That aside, asylum is properly granted only to people actively engaged in local politics or local labor disputes, or people who&#8217;ve run afoul of some local Don Ciccio.  And the first question which needs to be asked is &#8220;why are you here and not in [insert name of Spanish speaking country proximate to the country of origin of the applicant]?&#8221;.  The answer to poor living conditions in Central America is institutional and economic development, not resettling Central Americans in Texas and California.</p>
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