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		By: asdf		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Fact Checking&quot; is typically an exercise in missing the point of things.  Context.  Relevance.  Who needs them.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Fact Checking&#8221; is typically an exercise in missing the point of things.  Context.  Relevance.  Who needs them.</p>
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		By: W Krebs		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[The Wikipedia page for Jus Soli (e.g. Birthright Citizenship) reports that it does not apply in Canada to children where neither parent is a citizen or a permanent resident of Canada.  Assuming this is correct, John Cassidy turns out to be about as accurate as President Trump]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Wikipedia page for Jus Soli (e.g. Birthright Citizenship) reports that it does not apply in Canada to children where neither parent is a citizen or a permanent resident of Canada.  Assuming this is correct, John Cassidy turns out to be about as accurate as President Trump</p>
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		By: Molly Brown		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2018 03:47:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In this instance, &#039;Subject to the jurisdiction thereof&#039; does NOT mean traffic laws, etc.- as liberals would like us to believe.  Do foreign nationals register for the draft?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In this instance, &#8216;Subject to the jurisdiction thereof&#8217; does NOT mean traffic laws, etc.- as liberals would like us to believe.  Do foreign nationals register for the draft?</p>
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		By: Glen		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2018 20:29:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thank you Kate for unknown reason I could not get a link to work.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Kate for unknown reason I could not get a link to work.</p>
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		By: Kate		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kate]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2018 20:19:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Glen, I was just going to link to that article. Since you didn&#039;t provide the link, here it is.  Apparently, as is frequent with Trump, this executive order isn&#039;t as crazy as it initially sounded.

https://amgreatness.com/2018/11/02/how-progressives-killed-birthright-citizenship/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glen, I was just going to link to that article. Since you didn&#8217;t provide the link, here it is.  Apparently, as is frequent with Trump, this executive order isn&#8217;t as crazy as it initially sounded.</p>
<p><a href="https://amgreatness.com/2018/11/02/how-progressives-killed-birthright-citizenship/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://amgreatness.com/2018/11/02/how-progressives-killed-birthright-citizenship/</a></p>
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		By: Glen		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Glen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2018 19:05:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Best article on this seems to be

Birthright Citizenship and Its Allies
By Pedro Gonzalez  on American Greatness .

Explains what “jurisdiction” means in this context, no other allegiance but to the U.S.  Even American Indians were found to not be citizens under the 14th amendment because of their tribal allegiance which is to a sovereign nation.  Congress quickly passed a law making them citizens.  Other rulings such as diplomats children are not citizens exist.  However there is no ruling on illegals.  Therefore the matter needs to get before the Supreme Court where there is a good chance of a ruling that children of illegals are not citizens because they have an allegiance to the country of the parents.  

To get the matter before the court you need a vehicle, a case,  and an executive order seems like an excellent choice for such a vehicle.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Best article on this seems to be</p>
<p>Birthright Citizenship and Its Allies<br />
By Pedro Gonzalez  on American Greatness .</p>
<p>Explains what “jurisdiction” means in this context, no other allegiance but to the U.S.  Even American Indians were found to not be citizens under the 14th amendment because of their tribal allegiance which is to a sovereign nation.  Congress quickly passed a law making them citizens.  Other rulings such as diplomats children are not citizens exist.  However there is no ruling on illegals.  Therefore the matter needs to get before the Supreme Court where there is a good chance of a ruling that children of illegals are not citizens because they have an allegiance to the country of the parents.  </p>
<p>To get the matter before the court you need a vehicle, a case,  and an executive order seems like an excellent choice for such a vehicle.</p>
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		By: Ray		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ray]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2018 18:52:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Curious,
Two of my children were born in Germany and one in Korea. They have German and Korean birth certificates but they aren&#039;t German and Korean citizens. One of the first things I had to do was obtain pictures of the baby in the crib then go to the US Consulate and obtain a passport for it. The baby had to have a passport to enter the US. The children also have State Dept. birth certificates.
https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/international-travel/while-abroad/birth-abroad.html]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Curious,<br />
Two of my children were born in Germany and one in Korea. They have German and Korean birth certificates but they aren&#8217;t German and Korean citizens. One of the first things I had to do was obtain pictures of the baby in the crib then go to the US Consulate and obtain a passport for it. The baby had to have a passport to enter the US. The children also have State Dept. birth certificates.<br />
<a href="https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/international-travel/while-abroad/birth-abroad.html" rel="nofollow ugc">https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/international-travel/while-abroad/birth-abroad.html</a></p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AesopFan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2018 06:10:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Richard on November 1, 2018 at 3:54 pm at 3:54 pm said:
Esther, why don’t these liberals apply for citizenship in Cuba or Venezuela……..?
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Same reason Barbra Streisand isn&#039;t moving there if the GOP keeps the House this month.

Midterm elections 2018: How to move to Canada? Barbra Streisand ...
https://www.usatoday.com/story/...move-canada-barbra-streisand/1838909002/
9 hours ago - Barbra Streisand moving to Canada over midterms? ... Barbra Streisand told the New York Times she may move to Canada if Republicans keep their grip on the House. &lt;b&gt;But Americans rarely do after elections.&lt;/b&gt;
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Among the many promises Dems never keep....]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard on November 1, 2018 at 3:54 pm at 3:54 pm said:<br />
Esther, why don’t these liberals apply for citizenship in Cuba or Venezuela……..?<br />
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Same reason Barbra Streisand isn&#8217;t moving there if the GOP keeps the House this month.</p>
<p>Midterm elections 2018: How to move to Canada? Barbra Streisand &#8230;<br />
<a href="https://www.usatoday.com/story/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.usatoday.com/story/</a>&#8230;move-canada-barbra-streisand/1838909002/<br />
9 hours ago &#8211; Barbra Streisand moving to Canada over midterms? &#8230; Barbra Streisand told the New York Times she may move to Canada if Republicans keep their grip on the House. <b>But Americans rarely do after elections.</b><br />
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Among the many promises Dems never keep&#8230;.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2018 06:06:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[neo on November 1, 2018 at 6:15 pm at 6:15 pm said:
Curious:

As I wrote in the post, the proposal is not to “do away with birthright citizenship.” The proposal is to do away with it in certain situations.

But you are correct that a birth certificate saying a person was born in the US would therefore not be enough. I don’t know how other countries handle it, but I’m sure there’s a way.
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Other countries are much smaller and have a history of requiring their residents to carry and produce documentation about their status.  It&#039;s no accident that the Left started calling illegal immigrants &quot;undocumented&quot; -- 
However, if birth certificates had to be expanded to include the citizenship status of the parents, we could be in for a real can of worms: we can&#039;t even agree on how to list the children&#039;s or the putative parents&#039; sex on the forms now!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>neo on November 1, 2018 at 6:15 pm at 6:15 pm said:<br />
Curious:</p>
<p>As I wrote in the post, the proposal is not to “do away with birthright citizenship.” The proposal is to do away with it in certain situations.</p>
<p>But you are correct that a birth certificate saying a person was born in the US would therefore not be enough. I don’t know how other countries handle it, but I’m sure there’s a way.<br />
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Other countries are much smaller and have a history of requiring their residents to carry and produce documentation about their status.  It&#8217;s no accident that the Left started calling illegal immigrants &#8220;undocumented&#8221; &#8212;<br />
However, if birth certificates had to be expanded to include the citizenship status of the parents, we could be in for a real can of worms: we can&#8217;t even agree on how to list the children&#8217;s or the putative parents&#8217; sex on the forms now!</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2018 06:02:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[expat on November 1, 2018 at 8:46 pm at 8:46 pm said:
...Children of illegals should be considered citizens of their parents’ country. Birth tourism should not be allowed. When all the laws about birthright citizenship were passed, it was not possible to fly to another country in less than a day and stay on a tourist visa.&lt;b&gt;Sometimes laws do need to change to reflect drastically different situations. &lt;/b&gt;You didn’t need a drivers license to take a Conestoga wagon across the country.
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See &quot;changing the status quo&quot; above.
The open borders groups also try to conflate the immigration patterns of the 18th and early 19th century with today, especially claiming that &quot;legal restrictions&quot; are something new.  However, with many of the early colonies, the immigrants had to have some kind of permission from the British government or one of its authorized corporations to enter and/or reside in an established community, and they locked up the &quot;property rights&quot; pretty tightly before the Revolution.
After that, I don&#039;t really know what the legal situation was; but restrictions were certainly in place in the early 20th century. See the article below.  Note that it mentions Sen. Kennedy&#039;s reassuring promises about the effects of the 1965 immigration act, but not that he lied through his teeth.

This paragraph intrigued me, and pretty much tells you why our situation now is so fraught.

&quot;The U.S. Commission on Immigration Reform, led by former Rep. Barbara Jordan, ran from 1990 to 1997. &lt;b&gt;The Commission covered many facets of immigration policy, but started from the perception that the &quot;credibility of immigration policy can be measured by a simple yardstick: people who should get in, do get in; people who should not get in, are kept out; and people who are judged deportable are required to leave&quot;.[5] &lt;/b&gt;From there, in a series of four reports, the commission looked at all aspects of immigration policy.[6] In the first, it found that enforcement was lax and needed improvement on the border and internally. For internal enforcement, it recommended that an automated employment verification system be created to enable employers to distinguish between legal and illegal workers. The second report discussed legal immigration issues and suggested that immediate family members and skilled workers receive priority. The third report covered refugee and asylum issues. Finally, the fourth report reiterated the major points of the previous reports and the need for a new immigration policy. &lt;b&gt;Few of these suggestions were implemented.&quot;&lt;/b&gt;
 



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_laws_concerning_immigration_and_naturalization_in_the_United_States]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>expat on November 1, 2018 at 8:46 pm at 8:46 pm said:<br />
&#8230;Children of illegals should be considered citizens of their parents’ country. Birth tourism should not be allowed. When all the laws about birthright citizenship were passed, it was not possible to fly to another country in less than a day and stay on a tourist visa.<b>Sometimes laws do need to change to reflect drastically different situations. </b>You didn’t need a drivers license to take a Conestoga wagon across the country.<br />
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See &#8220;changing the status quo&#8221; above.<br />
The open borders groups also try to conflate the immigration patterns of the 18th and early 19th century with today, especially claiming that &#8220;legal restrictions&#8221; are something new.  However, with many of the early colonies, the immigrants had to have some kind of permission from the British government or one of its authorized corporations to enter and/or reside in an established community, and they locked up the &#8220;property rights&#8221; pretty tightly before the Revolution.<br />
After that, I don&#8217;t really know what the legal situation was; but restrictions were certainly in place in the early 20th century. See the article below.  Note that it mentions Sen. Kennedy&#8217;s reassuring promises about the effects of the 1965 immigration act, but not that he lied through his teeth.</p>
<p>This paragraph intrigued me, and pretty much tells you why our situation now is so fraught.</p>
<p>&#8220;The U.S. Commission on Immigration Reform, led by former Rep. Barbara Jordan, ran from 1990 to 1997. <b>The Commission covered many facets of immigration policy, but started from the perception that the &#8220;credibility of immigration policy can be measured by a simple yardstick: people who should get in, do get in; people who should not get in, are kept out; and people who are judged deportable are required to leave&#8221;.[5] </b>From there, in a series of four reports, the commission looked at all aspects of immigration policy.[6] In the first, it found that enforcement was lax and needed improvement on the border and internally. For internal enforcement, it recommended that an automated employment verification system be created to enable employers to distinguish between legal and illegal workers. The second report discussed legal immigration issues and suggested that immediate family members and skilled workers receive priority. The third report covered refugee and asylum issues. Finally, the fourth report reiterated the major points of the previous reports and the need for a new immigration policy. <b>Few of these suggestions were implemented.&#8221;</b></p>
<p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_laws_concerning_immigration_and_naturalization_in_the_United_States" rel="nofollow ugc">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_laws_concerning_immigration_and_naturalization_in_the_United_States</a></p>
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