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		By: neo		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Art Deco:

&quot;Being discriminating&quot; and &quot;discrimination in the racial or ethnic sense&quot; are not the same thing, obviously.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Art Deco:</p>
<p>&#8220;Being discriminating&#8221; and &#8220;discrimination in the racial or ethnic sense&#8221; are not the same thing, obviously.</p>
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		By: Art Deco		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2018 13:07:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Jews intermarry a great deal these days, by the way.&lt;/i&gt;

I think the sweet spot for American Jewry was around 1971.  Irritating social barriers had faded away (at least in my town), but inter-marriage was still uncommon and fertility deficits not so pronounced.  


&lt;i&gt;Not wanting a child to marry outside your faith is NOT discrimination, &lt;/i&gt;

You&#039;re certainly being discriminating.  The trouble here is the notion that it&#039;s a bad thing to be discriminating.  It&#039;s a bad thing to be gratuitously rude to people, it&#039;s a bad thing to treat people as if they polluted you by the touch, and it is certainly an imprudent thing to run your business according to silly or vicious whims and to judge people by standards other than by the degree to which they make your business thrive within ethical norms.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Jews intermarry a great deal these days, by the way.</i></p>
<p>I think the sweet spot for American Jewry was around 1971.  Irritating social barriers had faded away (at least in my town), but inter-marriage was still uncommon and fertility deficits not so pronounced.  </p>
<p><i>Not wanting a child to marry outside your faith is NOT discrimination, </i></p>
<p>You&#8217;re certainly being discriminating.  The trouble here is the notion that it&#8217;s a bad thing to be discriminating.  It&#8217;s a bad thing to be gratuitously rude to people, it&#8217;s a bad thing to treat people as if they polluted you by the touch, and it is certainly an imprudent thing to run your business according to silly or vicious whims and to judge people by standards other than by the degree to which they make your business thrive within ethical norms.</p>
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		By: Snow on Pine		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Oct 2018 22:24:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Adding to my list of examples of Leftist/Democrat rhetoric that has ratcheted up the political climate and made violent attacks against Conservatives/Republicans much more likely, I quote ex-VP Joe Biden--that smarmy, &quot;handsy&quot; master of BS and &quot;malarky&quot;--who said (in reference to Trump&#039;s behavior as revealed by the Access Hollywood tapes) when he was campaigning for Hillary back in 2016, that if he could travel back to high school he&#039;d like to &quot;take Trump behind the gym &quot; [obviously to beat the hell out of him].

See  https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/10/21/biden-trump-comments/92541160/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adding to my list of examples of Leftist/Democrat rhetoric that has ratcheted up the political climate and made violent attacks against Conservatives/Republicans much more likely, I quote ex-VP Joe Biden&#8211;that smarmy, &#8220;handsy&#8221; master of BS and &#8220;malarky&#8221;&#8211;who said (in reference to Trump&#8217;s behavior as revealed by the Access Hollywood tapes) when he was campaigning for Hillary back in 2016, that if he could travel back to high school he&#8217;d like to &#8220;take Trump behind the gym &#8221; [obviously to beat the hell out of him].</p>
<p>See  <a href="https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/10/21/biden-trump-comments/92541160/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/10/21/biden-trump-comments/92541160/</a></p>
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		By: neo		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Oct 2018 21:29:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Tom G:

Not wanting a child to marry outside your faith is NOT discrimination, whether the group wanting in-faith marriage be Christian, Muslim, Jew, or any other group.  Marriage is marriage.  When you don&#039;t marry someone you are not discriminating against them as long as you don&#039;t forbid marriages by law.  You are making a choice to have in-group intimate relationships, and raise children in that faith.

Jews intermarry a great deal these days, by the way.

And discrimination against Jews throughout history, as well as Jew-hatred, has been for a lot of reasons. But historical Jew-hatred by Christians was NOT because Jews wouldn&#039;t marry Christians.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom G:</p>
<p>Not wanting a child to marry outside your faith is NOT discrimination, whether the group wanting in-faith marriage be Christian, Muslim, Jew, or any other group.  Marriage is marriage.  When you don&#8217;t marry someone you are not discriminating against them as long as you don&#8217;t forbid marriages by law.  You are making a choice to have in-group intimate relationships, and raise children in that faith.</p>
<p>Jews intermarry a great deal these days, by the way.</p>
<p>And discrimination against Jews throughout history, as well as Jew-hatred, has been for a lot of reasons. But historical Jew-hatred by Christians was NOT because Jews wouldn&#8217;t marry Christians.</p>
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		By: neo		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Oct 2018 21:26:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I know quite a few Jews who own guns.  In &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/hunting-in-judaism/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;a poll&lt;/a&gt; in 2005, 13% of Jewish households owned guns.  That&#039;s not a ton, but that&#039;s certainly not nothing.  It&#039;s about 1 in 7 households.

IMHO, the Holocaust experience should make Jews more likely to own guns, not less, by the way.  See &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.nationalreview.com/2013/12/how-nazis-used-gun-control-stephen-p-halbrook/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know quite a few Jews who own guns.  In <a href="https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/hunting-in-judaism/" rel="nofollow">a poll</a> in 2005, 13% of Jewish households owned guns.  That&#8217;s not a ton, but that&#8217;s certainly not nothing.  It&#8217;s about 1 in 7 households.</p>
<p>IMHO, the Holocaust experience should make Jews more likely to own guns, not less, by the way.  See <a href="https://www.nationalreview.com/2013/12/how-nazis-used-gun-control-stephen-p-halbrook/" rel="nofollow">this</a>.</p>
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		By: wammo		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Oct 2018 19:59:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[gab is being shutdown I believe in free speech ;but something has to be done about these racist gun nuts. we won&#039;t ban guns so what is to be done?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>gab is being shutdown I believe in free speech ;but something has to be done about these racist gun nuts. we won&#8217;t ban guns so what is to be done?</p>
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		By: Art Deco		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Oct 2018 17:55:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;See Fidler on the Roof, and the third daughter, exiled for loving a non-Jew. “… I wouldn’t want my daughter to marry one of THEM”.&lt;/i&gt;

Yes, people &#039;discriminate&#039; with a vengeance in marriage matters (and in their amatory life outside marriage matters).  &quot;Love&quot; ain&#039;t what it&#039;s cracked up to be.  Among Jews, who are no more than a single digit minority everywhere outide Israel, if a strong preference for endogamy is not maintained, the dimensions of the Jewish community will shrink and shrink as Jews are absorbed into the larger society.  The one thing that stops the demographic implosion is an irreducible corps who maintain that strong preference for endogamy (and a strong preference for a house full of children).  You have seen the future of American Jewry.  It&#039;s not on the Upper West Side.  It&#039;s in Kiryas Joel.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>See Fidler on the Roof, and the third daughter, exiled for loving a non-Jew. “… I wouldn’t want my daughter to marry one of THEM”.</i></p>
<p>Yes, people &#8216;discriminate&#8217; with a vengeance in marriage matters (and in their amatory life outside marriage matters).  &#8220;Love&#8221; ain&#8217;t what it&#8217;s cracked up to be.  Among Jews, who are no more than a single digit minority everywhere outide Israel, if a strong preference for endogamy is not maintained, the dimensions of the Jewish community will shrink and shrink as Jews are absorbed into the larger society.  The one thing that stops the demographic implosion is an irreducible corps who maintain that strong preference for endogamy (and a strong preference for a house full of children).  You have seen the future of American Jewry.  It&#8217;s not on the Upper West Side.  It&#8217;s in Kiryas Joel.</p>
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		By: Tom G		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Oct 2018 16:57:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This is terrible, but is more caused by anti-Trump extremism than by Trump.
Looking at Trump tweets, like Podhoretz seems to FAIL to do, shows Trump constantly trying to get all Americans to be unified and accepting all other Americans.

Jews are, have been, and will continue to be hated, by some.  Because of their success, especially relative success.  See Rwandan Hutu hate of Rwandan more successful Tutsi.  See Cambodian hate of peasants against Cambodians who had an education or met a foreigner.


These hate based genocides happened in my life, and have made me have a &quot;Holocaust fatigue&quot; at the Hollywood stupidity about how Hitler, and almost only Hitler, was the most and only Evil man.  Focus on Hitler today, even in great Schindler&#039;s List movies, distracts from the tribalist influences and causes of hate in today&#039;s world, including continued Jew-hate.

The single biggest reason is false demonization.   It&#039;s not fake, because the demonization is real, but the claims made by the demonizers are false.

Neo, again thank you looking so carefully and critically against false demonizers when you find them.


Finally, something I told one of my closest Jewish friends which he did not like, and claims to not believe, is a truth about discrimination.  Jews are not innocent of discriminating against non-Jews, so some level of resentment is inevitable. See Fidler on the Roof, and the third daughter, exiled for loving a non-Jew.  &quot;... I wouldn&#039;t want my daughter to marry one of THEM&quot;.

 This doesn&#039;t justify the Jew-hate, but is a small, real reason -- in contrast to those who dislike the anti-Semitism so many in the world have, and don&#039;t think there are any reasons for it.  Small real reasons for resentment don&#039;t justify killing, neither of Jews, nor an attempt to kill Reps at a baseball practice game, yet we should all be able to honestly state the small issues as real reasons.

Part of demonization involves ascribing terrible motives to anybody who tries to honestly say good points AND bad points, about the good side AND the bad side.  A huge advantage of Israel is that most Israeli Jews meet and deal with other Jews, so the discrimination issues don&#039;t come up.  That&#039;s true in most countries.

And it fails in multi-cultural countries, which the Trump-hating elites are pushing us towards.  Elite demonization of Trump along with fetishization of mult-culturalism is leading to far more violence than we&#039;d have with better elites -- including all the NeverTrumpers but more importantly more professors and administrators in Universities.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is terrible, but is more caused by anti-Trump extremism than by Trump.<br />
Looking at Trump tweets, like Podhoretz seems to FAIL to do, shows Trump constantly trying to get all Americans to be unified and accepting all other Americans.</p>
<p>Jews are, have been, and will continue to be hated, by some.  Because of their success, especially relative success.  See Rwandan Hutu hate of Rwandan more successful Tutsi.  See Cambodian hate of peasants against Cambodians who had an education or met a foreigner.</p>
<p>These hate based genocides happened in my life, and have made me have a &#8220;Holocaust fatigue&#8221; at the Hollywood stupidity about how Hitler, and almost only Hitler, was the most and only Evil man.  Focus on Hitler today, even in great Schindler&#8217;s List movies, distracts from the tribalist influences and causes of hate in today&#8217;s world, including continued Jew-hate.</p>
<p>The single biggest reason is false demonization.   It&#8217;s not fake, because the demonization is real, but the claims made by the demonizers are false.</p>
<p>Neo, again thank you looking so carefully and critically against false demonizers when you find them.</p>
<p>Finally, something I told one of my closest Jewish friends which he did not like, and claims to not believe, is a truth about discrimination.  Jews are not innocent of discriminating against non-Jews, so some level of resentment is inevitable. See Fidler on the Roof, and the third daughter, exiled for loving a non-Jew.  &#8220;&#8230; I wouldn&#8217;t want my daughter to marry one of THEM&#8221;.</p>
<p> This doesn&#8217;t justify the Jew-hate, but is a small, real reason &#8212; in contrast to those who dislike the anti-Semitism so many in the world have, and don&#8217;t think there are any reasons for it.  Small real reasons for resentment don&#8217;t justify killing, neither of Jews, nor an attempt to kill Reps at a baseball practice game, yet we should all be able to honestly state the small issues as real reasons.</p>
<p>Part of demonization involves ascribing terrible motives to anybody who tries to honestly say good points AND bad points, about the good side AND the bad side.  A huge advantage of Israel is that most Israeli Jews meet and deal with other Jews, so the discrimination issues don&#8217;t come up.  That&#8217;s true in most countries.</p>
<p>And it fails in multi-cultural countries, which the Trump-hating elites are pushing us towards.  Elite demonization of Trump along with fetishization of mult-culturalism is leading to far more violence than we&#8217;d have with better elites &#8212; including all the NeverTrumpers but more importantly more professors and administrators in Universities.</p>
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		By: KyndyllG		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Oct 2018 15:50:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Just to toss in my two cents on American Jews and guns … I am not Jewish but at one point, for reasons that I won&#039;t disclose in an Internet forum, most of the people in my everyday life were Jewish. And true, I suspect that none of them owned a gun. My belief at the time was that this was due entirely to the fact that they were all from giant coastal cities in blue states where cultural conditioning, particularly of the educated middle- and upper-class, was not one with a positive view of guns being in the hands of ordinary people.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to toss in my two cents on American Jews and guns … I am not Jewish but at one point, for reasons that I won&#8217;t disclose in an Internet forum, most of the people in my everyday life were Jewish. And true, I suspect that none of them owned a gun. My belief at the time was that this was due entirely to the fact that they were all from giant coastal cities in blue states where cultural conditioning, particularly of the educated middle- and upper-class, was not one with a positive view of guns being in the hands of ordinary people.</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[It is quite clear which side has 90% of the hate, including most of the mass murderers.
It is a profound error to look to one man, Trump, to single-handedly deliver us from the snowballing evil of the Left. He cannot do it. Why? Because the evil Leftist leaders have seduced so many moral relativists and Ignorati that the country stands divided. Those leaders include all of those who recently received the symbolic and possibly actually explosive mail bombs. Some of them are Jews; not exactly Israel-loving Jews. Liars, race-baiters, immoral Leftists all.

I do not hate anyone. Others, e.g. Never-Trumpers, disappoint me but I cannot feel hate for them. The Democrats, the hate-inspirers, are the worst in the disappoint department.

I mourn for the passing of the America of the 1950s, when the population was less than half its present size, and socially much more cohesive. What changed? In part, immigration &quot;reform&quot; to admit the shoeless from wretched countries, in part the rise of &quot;experts&quot; in all fields, the social workers (almost all Left) who are &quot;therapists&quot;, to whom we now uselessly defer...e.g. &quot;grief counselors&quot; for all pupils after the very rare school shooting. Psychology, in large part created by a cocaine-using liar, Freud, is at best semi-fraudulent, and is one of the top 5 undergraduate majors.

This will not end well. 

St. Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle. Be our protection against the wickedness and snares of the devil. May God rebuke him, we humbly pray. And do Thou, O Prince of the heavenly host, by the power of God, cast into hell  Satan and all the evil spirits who prowl the world seeking the ruin of souls. Amen.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is quite clear which side has 90% of the hate, including most of the mass murderers.<br />
It is a profound error to look to one man, Trump, to single-handedly deliver us from the snowballing evil of the Left. He cannot do it. Why? Because the evil Leftist leaders have seduced so many moral relativists and Ignorati that the country stands divided. Those leaders include all of those who recently received the symbolic and possibly actually explosive mail bombs. Some of them are Jews; not exactly Israel-loving Jews. Liars, race-baiters, immoral Leftists all.</p>
<p>I do not hate anyone. Others, e.g. Never-Trumpers, disappoint me but I cannot feel hate for them. The Democrats, the hate-inspirers, are the worst in the disappoint department.</p>
<p>I mourn for the passing of the America of the 1950s, when the population was less than half its present size, and socially much more cohesive. What changed? In part, immigration &#8220;reform&#8221; to admit the shoeless from wretched countries, in part the rise of &#8220;experts&#8221; in all fields, the social workers (almost all Left) who are &#8220;therapists&#8221;, to whom we now uselessly defer&#8230;e.g. &#8220;grief counselors&#8221; for all pupils after the very rare school shooting. Psychology, in large part created by a cocaine-using liar, Freud, is at best semi-fraudulent, and is one of the top 5 undergraduate majors.</p>
<p>This will not end well. </p>
<p>St. Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle. Be our protection against the wickedness and snares of the devil. May God rebuke him, we humbly pray. And do Thou, O Prince of the heavenly host, by the power of God, cast into hell  Satan and all the evil spirits who prowl the world seeking the ruin of souls. Amen.</p>
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