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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2018/10/23/dershowitz-may-walkaway/#comment-2409275</link>

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					<description><![CDATA[MikeK on October 23, 2018 at 7:03 pm at 7:03 pm said:
 I had taken an economics class in college and it made me a Republican at 21. I’m not sure such a class would have the same effect on students as Marxism has pretty well taken over colleges.
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Today the colleges, tomorrow the kindergartens.

https://pjmedia.com/lifestyle/democratic-socialists-of-americas-plan-to-infiltrate-americas-public-schools/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MikeK on October 23, 2018 at 7:03 pm at 7:03 pm said:<br />
 I had taken an economics class in college and it made me a Republican at 21. I’m not sure such a class would have the same effect on students as Marxism has pretty well taken over colleges.<br />
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Today the colleges, tomorrow the kindergartens.</p>
<p><a href="https://pjmedia.com/lifestyle/democratic-socialists-of-americas-plan-to-infiltrate-americas-public-schools/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://pjmedia.com/lifestyle/democratic-socialists-of-americas-plan-to-infiltrate-americas-public-schools/</a></p>
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		By: Richard Saunders		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2018/10/23/dershowitz-may-walkaway/#comment-2409210</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2018 16:30:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The leftists who gained control of the Democratic party  are counting on their control of the universities and the schools to create a Democratic Socialist party.  Obviously, they felt that the old Democratic party of liberals and union workers wasn&#039;t getting them nearer their goal of turning the US into a European-style social welfare state.

Bye-bye Alan Dershowitz, Joe Lieberman, Sam Nunn, John F. Kennedy, Tip O&#039;Neill, Bill Bradley, Richard J. Dailey, even Jefferson and Jackson!   Hello Keith Ellison, Andrew Gillum, Gavin Newsom, Stacey Abrams, Cory Booker, Kamala Harris.

You could see that coming in Hillary&#039;s campaign when she threw under the bus the coal miners, the Fraternal Order of Police (and all the cops in the country!), the Border Patrol, and the entire Rust Belt.

As a veteran of the Goldwater campaign of 1964, I can testify that it&#039;s fairly easy for ideologues to seize control of a political party, but it isn&#039;t so easy to convince the American people that those ideologues should be governing.

Whether that still holds true remains to be seen -- we&#039;ll know in a couple of weeks.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The leftists who gained control of the Democratic party  are counting on their control of the universities and the schools to create a Democratic Socialist party.  Obviously, they felt that the old Democratic party of liberals and union workers wasn&#8217;t getting them nearer their goal of turning the US into a European-style social welfare state.</p>
<p>Bye-bye Alan Dershowitz, Joe Lieberman, Sam Nunn, John F. Kennedy, Tip O&#8217;Neill, Bill Bradley, Richard J. Dailey, even Jefferson and Jackson!   Hello Keith Ellison, Andrew Gillum, Gavin Newsom, Stacey Abrams, Cory Booker, Kamala Harris.</p>
<p>You could see that coming in Hillary&#8217;s campaign when she threw under the bus the coal miners, the Fraternal Order of Police (and all the cops in the country!), the Border Patrol, and the entire Rust Belt.</p>
<p>As a veteran of the Goldwater campaign of 1964, I can testify that it&#8217;s fairly easy for ideologues to seize control of a political party, but it isn&#8217;t so easy to convince the American people that those ideologues should be governing.</p>
<p>Whether that still holds true remains to be seen &#8212; we&#8217;ll know in a couple of weeks.</p>
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		By: Art Deco		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2018/10/23/dershowitz-may-walkaway/#comment-2409200</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2018 12:05:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt; I’m not sure such a class would have the same effect on students as Marxism has pretty well taken over colleges.&lt;/i&gt;

1. No it hasn&#039;t.  Faculty are astonishingly conformist and subscribe to a great many inane notions which are the mode in their social circle, but Marxism is unknown outside the sociology department.  

2. Economists of all stripes tend to respect markets.  Joseph Stiglitz is a major exception.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i> I’m not sure such a class would have the same effect on students as Marxism has pretty well taken over colleges.</i></p>
<p>1. No it hasn&#8217;t.  Faculty are astonishingly conformist and subscribe to a great many inane notions which are the mode in their social circle, but Marxism is unknown outside the sociology department.  </p>
<p>2. Economists of all stripes tend to respect markets.  Joseph Stiglitz is a major exception.</p>
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		By: wammo		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2018/10/23/dershowitz-may-walkaway/#comment-2409194</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2018 06:35:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[teaching time for conservatives again! 6 million 2012 obama voters did not vote in 2016. over a million voted for jill stein that cost clinton pennsylvaia, michigan. wisconsin and the election. trumps margin was less then jill stein vote in all three states. the 6 million democrats who didn&#039;t vote have been polled (3 million were black voters) asked why they didn&#039;t vote most (especially black voters) said clinton wasn&#039;t militant enough! as sun tzu said know your enemy and yourself. left is more upset then right that soros didn&#039;t get blown up. now they don&#039;t have an excuse to blow up the koch brothers. and bill ayres still knows how to build them too!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>teaching time for conservatives again! 6 million 2012 obama voters did not vote in 2016. over a million voted for jill stein that cost clinton pennsylvaia, michigan. wisconsin and the election. trumps margin was less then jill stein vote in all three states. the 6 million democrats who didn&#8217;t vote have been polled (3 million were black voters) asked why they didn&#8217;t vote most (especially black voters) said clinton wasn&#8217;t militant enough! as sun tzu said know your enemy and yourself. left is more upset then right that soros didn&#8217;t get blown up. now they don&#8217;t have an excuse to blow up the koch brothers. and bill ayres still knows how to build them too!</p>
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		By: neo		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2018/10/23/dershowitz-may-walkaway/#comment-2409183</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2018 03:59:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Julie:

Don&#039;t worry about it.  Not a big deal.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Julie:</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t worry about it.  Not a big deal.</p>
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		By: Julie near Chicago		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2018/10/23/dershowitz-may-walkaway/#comment-2409182</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Julie near Chicago]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2018 03:56:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Really, the  fault is mine first.  I didn&#039;t notice the date on the Hill piece when I sent the link to Neo.

:&#062;(

Julie]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really, the  fault is mine first.  I didn&#8217;t notice the date on the Hill piece when I sent the link to Neo.</p>
<p>:&gt;(</p>
<p>Julie</p>
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		By: neo		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2018 03:28:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Julie near Chicago:

See the correction at the head of the post.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Julie near Chicago:</p>
<p>See the correction at the head of the post.</p>
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		By: neo		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2018 03:18:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I want to call everyone&#039;s attention to a CORRECTION I posted at the top of the post. I&#039;m reproducing it here:

CORRECTION:  OOPS! I apologize for not checking the date of the article. I was assuming it was new because I just heard about it, but it&#039;s actually quite old (February, 2017).  So the original body of the post is old news.

However, interestingly, it turns out that Ellison was made &lt;i&gt;Deputy&lt;/i&gt; Chair rather than Chair in the results of that election.  I guess that was okay with Dershowitz, although it seems like it was a compromise that avoided the real issue---which is that he ascended that high in the Democratic Party at all, considering his history. In fact, it turns out that the &quot;Deputy&quot; position &lt;a href=&quot;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deputy_Chair_of_the_Democratic_National_Committee&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;was newly-revived&lt;/a&gt; in 2017, just for him:

&lt;blockquote&gt;The Deputy Chair of the Democratic National Committee is a position within the United States Democratic Party that was re-established by Tom Perez in February 2017 after the 2017 DNC Chair race, won by Perez.

After a close victory over Minnesota Congressman Keith Ellison, Perez appointed Ellison as Deputy Chair in an attempt to lessen the divide in the Democratic Party after the contentious 2016 Democratic presidential primaries, which saw conflicts between supporters of Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders. Perez was seen as being more in line with the Clinton wing, while Ellison was more in line with the Sanders wing.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

So back then (and I obviously missed the news at the time, although I knew that Ellison had &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; been elected Chair) it was an attempt to welcome the leftist wing of the party into the fold at the highest levels and appease it. Fascinating.  We know how much &quot;progress&quot; has been made since then.

Dershowitz may not have officially WalkedAway after that, but he&#039;s certainly alienated a great many of his fellow Democrats since then.]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I want to call everyone&#8217;s attention to a CORRECTION I posted at the top of the post. I&#8217;m reproducing it here:</p>
<p>CORRECTION:  OOPS! I apologize for not checking the date of the article. I was assuming it was new because I just heard about it, but it&#8217;s actually quite old (February, 2017).  So the original body of the post is old news.</p>
<p>However, interestingly, it turns out that Ellison was made <i>Deputy</i> Chair rather than Chair in the results of that election.  I guess that was okay with Dershowitz, although it seems like it was a compromise that avoided the real issue&#8212;which is that he ascended that high in the Democratic Party at all, considering his history. In fact, it turns out that the &#8220;Deputy&#8221; position <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deputy_Chair_of_the_Democratic_National_Committee" rel="nofollow">was newly-revived</a> in 2017, just for him:</p>
<blockquote><p>The Deputy Chair of the Democratic National Committee is a position within the United States Democratic Party that was re-established by Tom Perez in February 2017 after the 2017 DNC Chair race, won by Perez.</p>
<p>After a close victory over Minnesota Congressman Keith Ellison, Perez appointed Ellison as Deputy Chair in an attempt to lessen the divide in the Democratic Party after the contentious 2016 Democratic presidential primaries, which saw conflicts between supporters of Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders. Perez was seen as being more in line with the Clinton wing, while Ellison was more in line with the Sanders wing.</p></blockquote>
<p>So back then (and I obviously missed the news at the time, although I knew that Ellison had <i>not</i> been elected Chair) it was an attempt to welcome the leftist wing of the party into the fold at the highest levels and appease it. Fascinating.  We know how much &#8220;progress&#8221; has been made since then.</p>
<p>Dershowitz may not have officially WalkedAway after that, but he&#8217;s certainly alienated a great many of his fellow Democrats since then.]</p>
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		By: Julie near Chicago		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2018 01:56:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Dersh vowed at least once before -- 2016?  -- that he&#039;d leave the party if they even looked like doing X.  (So what was the issue?  I doona recall.)  In the end, they didn&#039;t, quite.  

I think Neo and the folks above are right.  It&#039;s interesting, because he&#039;s only  a year ± some months younger than David Horowitz.  

But David did leave,  twice -- first, left his family&#039;s Party, the Communists,  and later, the New Left;  and then he left the {Left,Dems,Libruls} altogether.  

To me he was, and remains, a hero for that.  Obviously there was something in him that required him to notice reality, and not to settle for less than the truth.

(There&#039;s more to David than that, but beside the present point.)

I agree;  Dersh seems to see things still through the lens of his &quot;clan,&quot; so to speak.  Or if not quite that, he seems to be held by clan loyalty at least.  Also, I imagine his mind holds the equation &quot;Democrat = Civil Rights Movement&quot; in quite a fixed way.  I wonder if it also holds &quot;Republican = Party of the Rich, who tread on the faces of the poor.&quot;  

David H. reminds us of Eric Hobsbawm, who, he says, did come to see that Communism/Leftism couldn&#039;t work ... but who said that even though he knew he&#039;d been wrong all those years, he could not leave the Left because he could not give up the dream.

Of course, that might be rather unfair to Dershowitz.  I do not, after all, know whether he already had to break some basic parts of his worldview to come to where he is today.   

Whatever else, both Dersh and David are loyal to their Jewishness, &quot;secular Jews&quot; though they may be.  (David says he&#039;s agnostic; Dersh, I haven&#039;t dated recently. *g*)  Strong anti-Anti-Semites, and good for them!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dersh vowed at least once before &#8212; 2016?  &#8212; that he&#8217;d leave the party if they even looked like doing X.  (So what was the issue?  I doona recall.)  In the end, they didn&#8217;t, quite.  </p>
<p>I think Neo and the folks above are right.  It&#8217;s interesting, because he&#8217;s only  a year ± some months younger than David Horowitz.  </p>
<p>But David did leave,  twice &#8212; first, left his family&#8217;s Party, the Communists,  and later, the New Left;  and then he left the {Left,Dems,Libruls} altogether.  </p>
<p>To me he was, and remains, a hero for that.  Obviously there was something in him that required him to notice reality, and not to settle for less than the truth.</p>
<p>(There&#8217;s more to David than that, but beside the present point.)</p>
<p>I agree;  Dersh seems to see things still through the lens of his &#8220;clan,&#8221; so to speak.  Or if not quite that, he seems to be held by clan loyalty at least.  Also, I imagine his mind holds the equation &#8220;Democrat = Civil Rights Movement&#8221; in quite a fixed way.  I wonder if it also holds &#8220;Republican = Party of the Rich, who tread on the faces of the poor.&#8221;  </p>
<p>David H. reminds us of Eric Hobsbawm, who, he says, did come to see that Communism/Leftism couldn&#8217;t work &#8230; but who said that even though he knew he&#8217;d been wrong all those years, he could not leave the Left because he could not give up the dream.</p>
<p>Of course, that might be rather unfair to Dershowitz.  I do not, after all, know whether he already had to break some basic parts of his worldview to come to where he is today.   </p>
<p>Whatever else, both Dersh and David are loyal to their Jewishness, &#8220;secular Jews&#8221; though they may be.  (David says he&#8217;s agnostic; Dersh, I haven&#8217;t dated recently. *g*)  Strong anti-Anti-Semites, and good for them!</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2018 23:04:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I remember my mom (a Latvian-born, true immigrant who believed in the American Dream, and lived it!) wondering why her best friend was always a Democrat.  

Mom always saw the Ds as being pro-abortion and anti-Catholic. Mom was Russian Orthodox and lost a few children to miscarriages, so life was very important to her. I thank her for trying .... I am here because of her determination.

Her best friend was very union/democratic/very Catholic, but still a Democratic voter and could not see the issue about abortion. It drove Mom nuts!

I still love Mrs C. but we do not talk politics.  She&#039;s 98 and I just say yes ma&#039;am.  

There are many people who are born to a political theory and cannot change for many reasons.  I think one reason is the feeling of going against their relatives.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember my mom (a Latvian-born, true immigrant who believed in the American Dream, and lived it!) wondering why her best friend was always a Democrat.  </p>
<p>Mom always saw the Ds as being pro-abortion and anti-Catholic. Mom was Russian Orthodox and lost a few children to miscarriages, so life was very important to her. I thank her for trying &#8230;. I am here because of her determination.</p>
<p>Her best friend was very union/democratic/very Catholic, but still a Democratic voter and could not see the issue about abortion. It drove Mom nuts!</p>
<p>I still love Mrs C. but we do not talk politics.  She&#8217;s 98 and I just say yes ma&#8217;am.  </p>
<p>There are many people who are born to a political theory and cannot change for many reasons.  I think one reason is the feeling of going against their relatives.</p>
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