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		By: lgude		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve worked with survivors and have a lot of compassion for them and until reading this thread my view has been  - at least the Democrats didn&#039;t make this all up like the Russian collusion hoax. My take has been that Kavanaugh was a GOPe pick with a exceptional judicial record and was picked to reward Mitch McConnell (if not actually picked by him) in reward for what he has done to get conservative judges appointed. A safe &#039;unimpeachable&#039; pick until Ford sent her letter to Feinstein. I would still see it as a gift from the political gods even if Ford felt Feinstein out through a lawyer. But the deep state connection certainly looks different after what we have seen from the DOJ, FBI etc.. It is no longer a bridge too far to think it. At the same time what I took away from Ford&#039;s testimony was that &#039;something&#039; happened to her - and probably a lot more than the alleged incident. I felt something close to Kavanaugh&#039;s daughter who was moved to pray for her also knowing that it might be one of those completely credible performances people sometimes put on. I&#039;ve know my share of psychopath&#039;s too. I also know that given what is at stake and the amount of money and passion motivating the left at this point it is very hard to even start to judge Ford&#039;s testimony accurately without knowing to what extent her testimony is  the result of all the money and legal skill behind her. For example, was her inability to supply a place, a date, or how she got home the result of her layers wanting to make it harder to disprove her story or genuine testimony? I&#039;m not a lawyer, but saying that she is 100% sure it was Kavanaugh is the silver bullet - the rest is optional - particularly if giving the particulars might just derail the main charge. Like if the person she might have testified brought her home didn&#039;t drive or was provably elsewhere. But I can do the same thing with Kavanaugh and wonder if he repressed the memory or was drunk enough not to remember. Pfui. The one thing I will add is that the three witnesses against him reminds me of the infamous three layered mortgage backed securities of the property bubble. The top layer is plausible (ie Ford) the middle layer is no good and the bottom layer is total nonsense. What I see mostly is a desperate MSM/Democrat establishment throwing mud and hoping something will stick, not the well orchestrated hoax of the Russia collusion which would have become part of reality if Trump had lost.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve worked with survivors and have a lot of compassion for them and until reading this thread my view has been  &#8211; at least the Democrats didn&#8217;t make this all up like the Russian collusion hoax. My take has been that Kavanaugh was a GOPe pick with a exceptional judicial record and was picked to reward Mitch McConnell (if not actually picked by him) in reward for what he has done to get conservative judges appointed. A safe &#8216;unimpeachable&#8217; pick until Ford sent her letter to Feinstein. I would still see it as a gift from the political gods even if Ford felt Feinstein out through a lawyer. But the deep state connection certainly looks different after what we have seen from the DOJ, FBI etc.. It is no longer a bridge too far to think it. At the same time what I took away from Ford&#8217;s testimony was that &#8216;something&#8217; happened to her &#8211; and probably a lot more than the alleged incident. I felt something close to Kavanaugh&#8217;s daughter who was moved to pray for her also knowing that it might be one of those completely credible performances people sometimes put on. I&#8217;ve know my share of psychopath&#8217;s too. I also know that given what is at stake and the amount of money and passion motivating the left at this point it is very hard to even start to judge Ford&#8217;s testimony accurately without knowing to what extent her testimony is  the result of all the money and legal skill behind her. For example, was her inability to supply a place, a date, or how she got home the result of her layers wanting to make it harder to disprove her story or genuine testimony? I&#8217;m not a lawyer, but saying that she is 100% sure it was Kavanaugh is the silver bullet &#8211; the rest is optional &#8211; particularly if giving the particulars might just derail the main charge. Like if the person she might have testified brought her home didn&#8217;t drive or was provably elsewhere. But I can do the same thing with Kavanaugh and wonder if he repressed the memory or was drunk enough not to remember. Pfui. The one thing I will add is that the three witnesses against him reminds me of the infamous three layered mortgage backed securities of the property bubble. The top layer is plausible (ie Ford) the middle layer is no good and the bottom layer is total nonsense. What I see mostly is a desperate MSM/Democrat establishment throwing mud and hoping something will stick, not the well orchestrated hoax of the Russia collusion which would have become part of reality if Trump had lost.</p>
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		By: Dave		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2018 06:32:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Still believe Trump should have picked someone who was younger, when you want your side to hold the seat as long as possible you should choose someone who is really young, preferably someone in their early 40s like Thomas was.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Still believe Trump should have picked someone who was younger, when you want your side to hold the seat as long as possible you should choose someone who is really young, preferably someone in their early 40s like Thomas was.</p>
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		By: Molly Brown		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2018 06:24:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I couldn&#039;t get past the comment by Ford that &quot;PJ and Leland don&#039;t remember because nothing remarkable happened to them that night .&quot;
Whaaaaat?  Did anybody else notice how crazy that was?
I once climbed out a bathroom window and walked home to get away from a very &#039;persistent&#039; guy.  The friend I left behind (who was very happily  occupied with a friend of Mr. Persistent), most definitely considered my disappearance a &#039;remarkable&#039; happening.  Such that it was the main subject of discussion between us for days. 
I simply can&#039;t believe Leland would not remember her friend disappearing like that.  Not when they were the only girls at the party.  And &#039;Besties&#039;.  Not possible.  Obviously, it never happened.  
And anyway, what kind of person would leave a friend in a house with her attacker?  
That statement was just too screwy and contrived for words.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I couldn&#8217;t get past the comment by Ford that &#8220;PJ and Leland don&#8217;t remember because nothing remarkable happened to them that night .&#8221;<br />
Whaaaaat?  Did anybody else notice how crazy that was?<br />
I once climbed out a bathroom window and walked home to get away from a very &#8216;persistent&#8217; guy.  The friend I left behind (who was very happily  occupied with a friend of Mr. Persistent), most definitely considered my disappearance a &#8216;remarkable&#8217; happening.  Such that it was the main subject of discussion between us for days.<br />
I simply can&#8217;t believe Leland would not remember her friend disappearing like that.  Not when they were the only girls at the party.  And &#8216;Besties&#8217;.  Not possible.  Obviously, it never happened.<br />
And anyway, what kind of person would leave a friend in a house with her attacker?<br />
That statement was just too screwy and contrived for words.</p>
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		By: Dave		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2018 06:19:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This travesty made Anita hill seemed like child play.  I guess this time democrats didn’t feel the need to hold punches since Kavanuagh is white.  This time around there is no need to worry about bad optics among their base, since when it comes to getting even with the evil white men the liberals base allows democrats to go as low as necessary.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This travesty made Anita hill seemed like child play.  I guess this time democrats didn’t feel the need to hold punches since Kavanuagh is white.  This time around there is no need to worry about bad optics among their base, since when it comes to getting even with the evil white men the liberals base allows democrats to go as low as necessary.</p>
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		By: FOAF		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2018 03:17:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Would *love* to see Sarah P. in the Senate.  Not only for herself which would already be great but it would drive the Dems stark raving mad.  OK, madder.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would *love* to see Sarah P. in the Senate.  Not only for herself which would already be great but it would drive the Dems stark raving mad.  OK, madder.</p>
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		By: om		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2018 03:14:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It seems to me that Judge Kavanaugh gave the rest of the republicans backbone transplants.  He would not back down. He showed what courage and character looks like in Washington, D.C.

The democrats may rue this day.  The mask fell off.  All who looked saw into their black evil hearts.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems to me that Judge Kavanaugh gave the rest of the republicans backbone transplants.  He would not back down. He showed what courage and character looks like in Washington, D.C.</p>
<p>The democrats may rue this day.  The mask fell off.  All who looked saw into their black evil hearts.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2018 02:11:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[MikeK on October 5, 2018 at 8:44 pm at 8:44 pm said:
Sarah Palin is threatening to primary Murkowski.

That would be interesting. Maybe that’s why she sold her Phoenix house. I was hoping she would be a possible replacement for McCain.
* * *
I would support her in either state.
Would vote for her if I could.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MikeK on October 5, 2018 at 8:44 pm at 8:44 pm said:<br />
Sarah Palin is threatening to primary Murkowski.</p>
<p>That would be interesting. Maybe that’s why she sold her Phoenix house. I was hoping she would be a possible replacement for McCain.<br />
* * *<br />
I would support her in either state.<br />
Would vote for her if I could.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2018 01:58:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[John Guilfoyle on October 5, 2018 at 3:30 pm at 3:30 pm said:
You know Kate…in the last 24 hours I’ve changed my mind too. I appreciate you opening that side of things.

I’ve always thought she was straight up lying, but I thought it was to cover her tracks on some infidelity against her own marriage…”I’m sorry I cheated darling but it was that Kavanaugh kid that messed me up!”

But now…total set up. She was cultivated from the inside &#038; “handled” like a spy or mole would be. The intersecting lawyers &#038; friends with Deep State links are the “tell.” &lt;b&gt;The cascade of lies &#038; inconsistencies simply indicate that the Left was counting on the “believe the woman &#038; rage” narrative to make Kavanaugh or enough Rs fold to win this one. &lt;/b&gt;They underestimated the Judge, his wife &#038; the rest of the country, and the investigation poked holes in all their balloons.

I really hope someone loses their bar license or goes to jail on this one. Anita Hill was bad enough. This is so far beyond the pale that I’m not convinced tar &#038; feathers would fix it.
* * *
And we didn&#039;t even get the tar and feathers with Hill.
(I would not wish that hellish torture on anyone however, so --- metaphor only.)

Besides underestimating Judge (Justice!) Kavanaugh, they (and we) also underestimated Grassley, Graham, and possibly Collins (you go, girl !!), but I think if Kavanaugh or Trump had backed off even a little bit, the GOP would have folded (we need &lt;em&gt;more &lt;/em&gt; such intemperate judges, in my opinion, when the intemperance is in pursuit of justice -- or even of mercy).

The other thing they did wrong was &lt;em&gt;assume&lt;/em&gt; that Ford&#039;s &quot;witnesses&quot; would either waffle or pile on, most likely the former, under the belief that all of them had some &quot;defect&quot; that the lawyers / handlers could exploit.

As many people supporting Kavanaugh have suggested, Judge was the first &quot;witness&quot; solely because of his book: it was a not-unreasonable speculation that he would hem and haw and admit that he was so soused most of the time that he just didn&#039;t remember.  BUT that speculation depended on their conviction that Kavanaugh was, in fact, very often a roving-hand play-boy drunkard, so that Judge would  just guess that even if he personally didn&#039;t remember that &lt;em&gt;one &lt;/em&gt;time Ford alleged, well, good ol&#039; Bart O&#039;K &lt;em&gt;might&lt;/em&gt; have done it anyway.  Any such hedging would be all the &quot;corroboration&quot; the target Senators &#038; the public needed (the mob clearly doesn&#039;t&#039; care).

But because Kavanaugh wasn&#039;t a RHPBD at all, there was no &quot;pool&quot; of incidents which Judge might assume held this one particular fish.  Hence the unequivocal NO.

Not sewing up Keyser&#039;s testimony from the beginning was also a mistake.  She could easily, it seems to me, have been cajoled into &quot;remembering&quot; the event that Ford alleged, but they forgot to bring her in at the beginning (an oversight that Ramirez tried, and failed, to avoid). Apparently she is a woman of very strong moral fiber, unwilling to swear to something that she has no memory or knowledge of, whether true or false, or else (like Judge) simply doesn&#039;t believe Brett K was made in the same mold as the &quot;attackers&quot; that Ford described.

PJ Smyth is kind of an anomaly: why include him at all? I don&#039;t really remember all the specualtions about him.  Ford, deprived of his corroboration, dismissed him (and Keyser) as simply &quot;not being aware&quot; of the awful ordeal she had endured.  But why was he expected to support her in the first place?
However, she also didn&#039;t get him signed on before dragging him in, so see the argument for Mark Judge again.

Did something really happen to Ford that she tried to fasten on Kavanaugh?
Short of a real recovered memory or a confession, I doubt we will ever know.
There are reams written about &quot;why&quot; people make false accusations, and some broad categories, but everyone puts their own unique spin on the origin of their stories.

In the fictionalized thriller that I intend to write, thinly disguising all the names (or, alternatively, writing a factual expose and making up the conversations, as that seems to be the mode du jour), the scenario would include the fact that her parents and siblings did not sign onto the letter of support from her in-laws (if that changed, I haven&#039;t seen anything), and thus know something about her history and character that no one else has revealed.

Or she&#039;s just lying, start to finish.

And I would be supremely disappointed if there are not some expulsions from the associated attorney&#039;s bar associations over this.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John Guilfoyle on October 5, 2018 at 3:30 pm at 3:30 pm said:<br />
You know Kate…in the last 24 hours I’ve changed my mind too. I appreciate you opening that side of things.</p>
<p>I’ve always thought she was straight up lying, but I thought it was to cover her tracks on some infidelity against her own marriage…”I’m sorry I cheated darling but it was that Kavanaugh kid that messed me up!”</p>
<p>But now…total set up. She was cultivated from the inside &amp; “handled” like a spy or mole would be. The intersecting lawyers &amp; friends with Deep State links are the “tell.” <b>The cascade of lies &amp; inconsistencies simply indicate that the Left was counting on the “believe the woman &amp; rage” narrative to make Kavanaugh or enough Rs fold to win this one. </b>They underestimated the Judge, his wife &amp; the rest of the country, and the investigation poked holes in all their balloons.</p>
<p>I really hope someone loses their bar license or goes to jail on this one. Anita Hill was bad enough. This is so far beyond the pale that I’m not convinced tar &amp; feathers would fix it.<br />
* * *<br />
And we didn&#8217;t even get the tar and feathers with Hill.<br />
(I would not wish that hellish torture on anyone however, so &#8212; metaphor only.)</p>
<p>Besides underestimating Judge (Justice!) Kavanaugh, they (and we) also underestimated Grassley, Graham, and possibly Collins (you go, girl !!), but I think if Kavanaugh or Trump had backed off even a little bit, the GOP would have folded (we need <em>more </em> such intemperate judges, in my opinion, when the intemperance is in pursuit of justice &#8212; or even of mercy).</p>
<p>The other thing they did wrong was <em>assume</em> that Ford&#8217;s &#8220;witnesses&#8221; would either waffle or pile on, most likely the former, under the belief that all of them had some &#8220;defect&#8221; that the lawyers / handlers could exploit.</p>
<p>As many people supporting Kavanaugh have suggested, Judge was the first &#8220;witness&#8221; solely because of his book: it was a not-unreasonable speculation that he would hem and haw and admit that he was so soused most of the time that he just didn&#8217;t remember.  BUT that speculation depended on their conviction that Kavanaugh was, in fact, very often a roving-hand play-boy drunkard, so that Judge would  just guess that even if he personally didn&#8217;t remember that <em>one </em>time Ford alleged, well, good ol&#8217; Bart O&#8217;K <em>might</em> have done it anyway.  Any such hedging would be all the &#8220;corroboration&#8221; the target Senators &amp; the public needed (the mob clearly doesn&#8217;t&#8217; care).</p>
<p>But because Kavanaugh wasn&#8217;t a RHPBD at all, there was no &#8220;pool&#8221; of incidents which Judge might assume held this one particular fish.  Hence the unequivocal NO.</p>
<p>Not sewing up Keyser&#8217;s testimony from the beginning was also a mistake.  She could easily, it seems to me, have been cajoled into &#8220;remembering&#8221; the event that Ford alleged, but they forgot to bring her in at the beginning (an oversight that Ramirez tried, and failed, to avoid). Apparently she is a woman of very strong moral fiber, unwilling to swear to something that she has no memory or knowledge of, whether true or false, or else (like Judge) simply doesn&#8217;t believe Brett K was made in the same mold as the &#8220;attackers&#8221; that Ford described.</p>
<p>PJ Smyth is kind of an anomaly: why include him at all? I don&#8217;t really remember all the specualtions about him.  Ford, deprived of his corroboration, dismissed him (and Keyser) as simply &#8220;not being aware&#8221; of the awful ordeal she had endured.  But why was he expected to support her in the first place?<br />
However, she also didn&#8217;t get him signed on before dragging him in, so see the argument for Mark Judge again.</p>
<p>Did something really happen to Ford that she tried to fasten on Kavanaugh?<br />
Short of a real recovered memory or a confession, I doubt we will ever know.<br />
There are reams written about &#8220;why&#8221; people make false accusations, and some broad categories, but everyone puts their own unique spin on the origin of their stories.</p>
<p>In the fictionalized thriller that I intend to write, thinly disguising all the names (or, alternatively, writing a factual expose and making up the conversations, as that seems to be the mode du jour), the scenario would include the fact that her parents and siblings did not sign onto the letter of support from her in-laws (if that changed, I haven&#8217;t seen anything), and thus know something about her history and character that no one else has revealed.</p>
<p>Or she&#8217;s just lying, start to finish.</p>
<p>And I would be supremely disappointed if there are not some expulsions from the associated attorney&#8217;s bar associations over this.</p>
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		By: Art Deco		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;even his Yale classmates showed they cared more about the politics than about his humanity.&lt;/i&gt;

Two of them, one of whom he was on bad terms with at the time.  About half of what Roche had to say has been discredited (and seemed out of place even absent new information about period slang in DC).  What&#039;s interesting about Roche is that since 1984, he&#039;s changed careers once, he&#039;s lived in at least three different cities, he&#039;s worked for four companies to which he admits (there are 13 years missing from his LinkedIn profile), and yet he goes out of his way to grass up a man with whom he had some petty disputes 34 years ago.  What sort of a person holds grudges that long?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>even his Yale classmates showed they cared more about the politics than about his humanity.</i></p>
<p>Two of them, one of whom he was on bad terms with at the time.  About half of what Roche had to say has been discredited (and seemed out of place even absent new information about period slang in DC).  What&#8217;s interesting about Roche is that since 1984, he&#8217;s changed careers once, he&#8217;s lived in at least three different cities, he&#8217;s worked for four companies to which he admits (there are 13 years missing from his LinkedIn profile), and yet he goes out of his way to grass up a man with whom he had some petty disputes 34 years ago.  What sort of a person holds grudges that long?</p>
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		By: MikeK		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Sarah Palin is threatening to primary Murkowski.&lt;/i&gt;

That would be interesting. Maybe that&#039;s why she sold her Phoenix house. I was hoping she would be a possible replacement for McCain.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Sarah Palin is threatening to primary Murkowski.</i></p>
<p>That would be interesting. Maybe that&#8217;s why she sold her Phoenix house. I was hoping she would be a possible replacement for McCain.</p>
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