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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Richard Saunders on September 26, 2018 at 9:54 pm at 9:54 pm said:
This is bullshit, all the way down. The Republicans, except the squishy four, will all vote to confirm. The Democrats, except the red-staters, will all vote to deny. The aforesaid muddlers will vote based purely on their home-state political considerations. The result will be exactly what it would have been on the day of the nomination. This whole circus has been nothing but a complete joke.
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Agree about the joke part, but I think the Gang of Four-plus-Four would all have voted to confirm on the original date, because they didn&#039;t see any cover for voting no.
Feinstein hoped to introduce that reason with the Ford letter, and, had everything stopped right there, I think the Dems would all have gone to NO, as would some or all of the Reps.

With the flakiness (pun intended) of the denunciations now blindingly apparent, I can&#039;t predict what they will do, so I will go read Neo&#039;s new post and cogitate.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard Saunders on September 26, 2018 at 9:54 pm at 9:54 pm said:<br />
This is bullshit, all the way down. The Republicans, except the squishy four, will all vote to confirm. The Democrats, except the red-staters, will all vote to deny. The aforesaid muddlers will vote based purely on their home-state political considerations. The result will be exactly what it would have been on the day of the nomination. This whole circus has been nothing but a complete joke.<br />
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Agree about the joke part, but I think the Gang of Four-plus-Four would all have voted to confirm on the original date, because they didn&#8217;t see any cover for voting no.<br />
Feinstein hoped to introduce that reason with the Ford letter, and, had everything stopped right there, I think the Dems would all have gone to NO, as would some or all of the Reps.</p>
<p>With the flakiness (pun intended) of the denunciations now blindingly apparent, I can&#8217;t predict what they will do, so I will go read Neo&#8217;s new post and cogitate.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2018 03:19:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[neo on September 26, 2018 at 10:11 pm at 10:11 pm said:
&quot;But my point is that all three accusers went to school under the older rules, not the newer ones. So they don’t have the excuse offered in that quote you gave.&quot;

Thanks for the clarification on Title IX timing -  this is what the back-and-forth of debate is supposed to do.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>neo on September 26, 2018 at 10:11 pm at 10:11 pm said:<br />
&#8220;But my point is that all three accusers went to school under the older rules, not the newer ones. So they don’t have the excuse offered in that quote you gave.&#8221;</p>
<p>Thanks for the clarification on Title IX timing &#8211;  this is what the back-and-forth of debate is supposed to do.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2018 02:11:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[We are caught up in an internet frenzy of crowd-sourcing investigation, expert witnesses, prosecution &#038; defense statements, and the rest of the substance of a courtroom.  Can we possibly obtain justice under those conditions?
Given that there are people who NEVER accept the judgments in actual literal criminal trials, we can&#039;t expect that we will have 100% acceptance of a virtual-trial, so are we any worse off?
At least they run their course faster than the courts do.

https://www.redstate.com/streiff/2018/09/26/whoa.-christine-ford-julie-swetnick-direct-connection

&quot;Via the Wall Street Journal:

Roughly a decade ago, Ms. Swetnick was involved in a dispute with her former employer, New York Life Insurance Co., over a sexual-harassment complaint she filed, according to people familiar with the matter. Representing her in the complaint was the firm run by Debra Katz, the lawyer currently representing Dr. Ford. The company ultimately reached a financial settlement with Ms. Swetnick, the people said.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are caught up in an internet frenzy of crowd-sourcing investigation, expert witnesses, prosecution &amp; defense statements, and the rest of the substance of a courtroom.  Can we possibly obtain justice under those conditions?<br />
Given that there are people who NEVER accept the judgments in actual literal criminal trials, we can&#8217;t expect that we will have 100% acceptance of a virtual-trial, so are we any worse off?<br />
At least they run their course faster than the courts do.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.redstate.com/streiff/2018/09/26/whoa.-christine-ford-julie-swetnick-direct-connection" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.redstate.com/streiff/2018/09/26/whoa.-christine-ford-julie-swetnick-direct-connection</a></p>
<p>&#8220;Via the Wall Street Journal:</p>
<p>Roughly a decade ago, Ms. Swetnick was involved in a dispute with her former employer, New York Life Insurance Co., over a sexual-harassment complaint she filed, according to people familiar with the matter. Representing her in the complaint was the firm run by Debra Katz, the lawyer currently representing Dr. Ford. The company ultimately reached a financial settlement with Ms. Swetnick, the people said.&#8221;</p>
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		By: neo		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[AesopFan:

Ford went to college three decades ago.  When she was in school, Title IX operated mainly around student athletics.  It wasn&#039;t till the Supreme Court &lt;a href=&quot;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Title_IX#Sexual_harassment_and_sexual_violence&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;decided in the 1990s&lt;/a&gt; to extend it to sexual harassment that the current state of affairs began. Then it got even worse under Obama in 2011.  But my point is that all three accusers went to school under the older rules, not the newer ones.  So they don&#039;t have the excuse offered in that quote you gave.  

Nor do their lawyers, who know full well what sort of evidence is needed to make a real case, but are betting that real evidence won&#039;t be needed, with the help of their friends the propagandists of the MSM.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AesopFan:</p>
<p>Ford went to college three decades ago.  When she was in school, Title IX operated mainly around student athletics.  It wasn&#8217;t till the Supreme Court <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Title_IX#Sexual_harassment_and_sexual_violence" rel="nofollow">decided in the 1990s</a> to extend it to sexual harassment that the current state of affairs began. Then it got even worse under Obama in 2011.  But my point is that all three accusers went to school under the older rules, not the newer ones.  So they don&#8217;t have the excuse offered in that quote you gave.  </p>
<p>Nor do their lawyers, who know full well what sort of evidence is needed to make a real case, but are betting that real evidence won&#8217;t be needed, with the help of their friends the propagandists of the MSM.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2018 02:06:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Baklava on September 26, 2018 at 8:46 pm at 8:46 pm said:
https://althouse.blogspot.com/2018/09/metoo-depends-on-credibility-of.html

common sense
* * *
I laughed at this note (emphasis mine), but I really feel more like crying.

&quot;NOTE: This is the &lt;b&gt;fifth &lt;/b&gt;in a series of posts about Kavanaugh&lt;b&gt; this morning&lt;/b&gt;.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Baklava on September 26, 2018 at 8:46 pm at 8:46 pm said:<br />
<a href="https://althouse.blogspot.com/2018/09/metoo-depends-on-credibility-of.html" rel="nofollow ugc">https://althouse.blogspot.com/2018/09/metoo-depends-on-credibility-of.html</a></p>
<p>common sense<br />
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I laughed at this note (emphasis mine), but I really feel more like crying.</p>
<p>&#8220;NOTE: This is the <b>fifth </b>in a series of posts about Kavanaugh<b> this morning</b>.&#8221;</p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2018 02:04:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Some well-considered speculations from another blog comment thread.

https://accordingtohoyt.com/2018/09/26/the-creature-in-the-garden/#comment-558400

&quot;BobtheRegisterredFool &#124; September 26, 2018 at 2:41 pm &#124; Reply
..

Despite my questions yesterday, reversing suffrage is probably not a reasonable response to this.

There is an almost sound argument that Title IX has lead to some unreasonable expectations on the part of the accusers. &lt;b&gt;That they simply had not realized the level of proof that is appropriate to the venue.&lt;/b&gt; That in absence of these issues being decided on campus under the current implementation of Title IX, the accusers would have made their accusations and brought substantive evidence in a time frame that matches that of a normal legal proceeding.

Reversing women’s suffrage is the more effective trolling point, but repeal of Title IX is perhaps a more productive discussion. That said, in the current situation such a repeal would also be an ugly mess.&quot;

* * *
Ford may not have realized the difference in rules; would Feinstein &#038; the Congressional Dems be that naive?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some well-considered speculations from another blog comment thread.</p>
<p><a href="https://accordingtohoyt.com/2018/09/26/the-creature-in-the-garden/#comment-558400" rel="nofollow ugc">https://accordingtohoyt.com/2018/09/26/the-creature-in-the-garden/#comment-558400</a></p>
<p>&#8220;BobtheRegisterredFool | September 26, 2018 at 2:41 pm | Reply<br />
..</p>
<p>Despite my questions yesterday, reversing suffrage is probably not a reasonable response to this.</p>
<p>There is an almost sound argument that Title IX has lead to some unreasonable expectations on the part of the accusers. <b>That they simply had not realized the level of proof that is appropriate to the venue.</b> That in absence of these issues being decided on campus under the current implementation of Title IX, the accusers would have made their accusations and brought substantive evidence in a time frame that matches that of a normal legal proceeding.</p>
<p>Reversing women’s suffrage is the more effective trolling point, but repeal of Title IX is perhaps a more productive discussion. That said, in the current situation such a repeal would also be an ugly mess.&#8221;</p>
<p>* * *<br />
Ford may not have realized the difference in rules; would Feinstein &amp; the Congressional Dems be that naive?</p>
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		By: neo		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2018 02:00:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Richard Saunders:

Great minds thinking alike and all that.  Before I saw your comment about what will happen, I wrote the comment above, and even published it &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.thenewneo.com/2018/09/26/prediction-for-tomorrows-hearing/&quot;&gt;as a post&lt;/a&gt;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard Saunders:</p>
<p>Great minds thinking alike and all that.  Before I saw your comment about what will happen, I wrote the comment above, and even published it <a href="https://www.thenewneo.com/2018/09/26/prediction-for-tomorrows-hearing/">as a post</a>.</p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2018 02:00:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[FWIW, this post links to all of Red States articles on Kavanaugh-gate (no one else has called it that; I wonder why -- is it because Woodward is now persona non grata to both sides?)

https://www.redstate.com/streiff/2018/09/22/breaking.-kavanaugh-accusers-third-witnesse-located-testimony-game-changer

It seems like this has gone on forever, but it&#039;s only been 13 days since Feinstein dropped the letter in the hearing room (there is a colloquial idiom involving liquid refreshment serving dishes that might be relevant here).

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/09/13/dianne-feinstein-refers-letter-on-supreme-court-nominee-kavanaugh-to-feds.html]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FWIW, this post links to all of Red States articles on Kavanaugh-gate (no one else has called it that; I wonder why &#8212; is it because Woodward is now persona non grata to both sides?)</p>
<p><a href="https://www.redstate.com/streiff/2018/09/22/breaking.-kavanaugh-accusers-third-witnesse-located-testimony-game-changer" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.redstate.com/streiff/2018/09/22/breaking.-kavanaugh-accusers-third-witnesse-located-testimony-game-changer</a></p>
<p>It seems like this has gone on forever, but it&#8217;s only been 13 days since Feinstein dropped the letter in the hearing room (there is a colloquial idiom involving liquid refreshment serving dishes that might be relevant here).</p>
<p><a href="https://www.cnbc.com/2018/09/13/dianne-feinstein-refers-letter-on-supreme-court-nominee-kavanaugh-to-feds.html" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.cnbc.com/2018/09/13/dianne-feinstein-refers-letter-on-supreme-court-nominee-kavanaugh-to-feds.html</a></p>
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					<description><![CDATA[huxley:

I disagree somewhat. I don&#039;t think one single Senate vote depends on how she does, or even whether she shows up.  The voting will go entirely according to politics and party, and the few possible swing votes will vote on calculations of self-interest.  Ford is a MacGuffin at this point, as are the others. She has served her purpose even before she testifies.

Did you see &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.thenewneo.com/2018/09/26/you-call-that-a-polygraph/&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt;?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>huxley:</p>
<p>I disagree somewhat. I don&#8217;t think one single Senate vote depends on how she does, or even whether she shows up.  The voting will go entirely according to politics and party, and the few possible swing votes will vote on calculations of self-interest.  Ford is a MacGuffin at this point, as are the others. She has served her purpose even before she testifies.</p>
<p>Did you see <a href="https://www.thenewneo.com/2018/09/26/you-call-that-a-polygraph/">this</a>?</p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2018 01:54:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This is bullshit, all the way down.  The Republicans, except the squishy four, will all vote to confirm.  The Democrats, except the red-staters, will all vote to deny.  The aforesaid muddlers will vote based purely on their home-state political considerations.  The result will be exactly what it would have been on the day of the nomination.  This whole circus has been nothing but a complete joke.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is bullshit, all the way down.  The Republicans, except the squishy four, will all vote to confirm.  The Democrats, except the red-staters, will all vote to deny.  The aforesaid muddlers will vote based purely on their home-state political considerations.  The result will be exactly what it would have been on the day of the nomination.  This whole circus has been nothing but a complete joke.</p>
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