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		By: Manju		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2018/09/13/the-power-of-google/#comment-2398555</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Manju]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Sep 2018 12:05:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Frederick,

Looking into it a little further, I see that protection under the Act is not dependent on being a neutral party:

&lt;blockquote&gt;The intent of the safe harbor was to protect service providers &lt;strong&gt;who assumed an editorial role&lt;/strong&gt; with regard to customer speech or content, and who would have otherwise become publishers, and legally responsible for libel and other torts committed by customers&lt;/blockquote&gt;https://www.bna.com/insight-communications-decency-n73014482221/

Indeed, it appears the Act is designed to protect non-neutral platforms, like alleged International Socialists Facebook, even thought they claim to be neutral...like Finland during the Cold War or something. But I digress...

To make matter worse, the Trump admin has moved to eradicate Net-Neutrality.  So even ISP&#039;s can pick and choose who gets the top spot without worrying about the Government coming in to tell them to stop. 

So I don&#039;t see how Google gets wacked under your proposal.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frederick,</p>
<p>Looking into it a little further, I see that protection under the Act is not dependent on being a neutral party:</p>
<blockquote><p>The intent of the safe harbor was to protect service providers <strong>who assumed an editorial role</strong> with regard to customer speech or content, and who would have otherwise become publishers, and legally responsible for libel and other torts committed by customers</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="https://www.bna.com/insight-communications-decency-n73014482221/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.bna.com/insight-communications-decency-n73014482221/</a></p>
<p>Indeed, it appears the Act is designed to protect non-neutral platforms, like alleged International Socialists Facebook, even thought they claim to be neutral&#8230;like Finland during the Cold War or something. But I digress&#8230;</p>
<p>To make matter worse, the Trump admin has moved to eradicate Net-Neutrality.  So even ISP&#8217;s can pick and choose who gets the top spot without worrying about the Government coming in to tell them to stop. </p>
<p>So I don&#8217;t see how Google gets wacked under your proposal.</p>
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		By: Frederick		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2018/09/13/the-power-of-google/#comment-2398427</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Frederick]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2018 20:18:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Manju:&lt;i&gt;like Google Fiber.&lt;/i&gt;

Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act is not about Google Fiber, unless there is a Google Time Machine I haven&#039;t heard about.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Manju:<i>like Google Fiber.</i></p>
<p>Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act is not about Google Fiber, unless there is a Google Time Machine I haven&#8217;t heard about.</p>
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		By: Manju		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2018/09/13/the-power-of-google/#comment-2398425</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2018 20:14:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Frederick, I would assume that common carrier status refers to Google&#039;s actual internet infrastructure business, like Google Fiber.  

Either way, the Trump admin&#039;s repeal of net neutrality would make the point moot, no?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frederick, I would assume that common carrier status refers to Google&#8217;s actual internet infrastructure business, like Google Fiber.  </p>
<p>Either way, the Trump admin&#8217;s repeal of net neutrality would make the point moot, no?</p>
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		By: Frederick		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2018/09/13/the-power-of-google/#comment-2398354</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Frederick]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2018 13:28:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Manju:&lt;i&gt;Google doesn’t have to prove that they are entitled to constitutional protection. That’s assumed, once speech is demonstrated.&lt;/i&gt;

Google is NOT entitled to common carrier status under the FCC or the protections of Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act.  Those legal privileges were granted and can be rescinded, if they no longer behave in the way that they claimed they did when they sought those privileges.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Manju:<i>Google doesn’t have to prove that they are entitled to constitutional protection. That’s assumed, once speech is demonstrated.</i></p>
<p>Google is NOT entitled to common carrier status under the FCC or the protections of Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act.  Those legal privileges were granted and can be rescinded, if they no longer behave in the way that they claimed they did when they sought those privileges.</p>
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		By: Art Deco		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2018/09/13/the-power-of-google/#comment-2398352</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2018 12:56:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Conspiracies in restraint of trade - whether it be in the labor market or in the goods market - needs to be dealt with harshly by state and federal prosecutors.  That should mean prosecuting companies and persons.  The actions against Infowars were co-ordinated, and that should trigger prosecution.  

I doubt Google qualifies as a monopoly as an economist would understand the term (though Youtube might).  There are readily available alternatives.  

What&#039;s puzzling is why Zuckerberg, Brin, et al painted this target on their back.  It&#039;s another episode of &lt;i&gt;gleichschaltung&lt;/i&gt;.  

The other puzzling business is why companies like MasterCard and PayPal have elected to take orders from the $PLC.  Morris Dees is a scam artist and anyone who&#039;s done minimal research into his organization has not excuse not to know it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Conspiracies in restraint of trade &#8211; whether it be in the labor market or in the goods market &#8211; needs to be dealt with harshly by state and federal prosecutors.  That should mean prosecuting companies and persons.  The actions against Infowars were co-ordinated, and that should trigger prosecution.  </p>
<p>I doubt Google qualifies as a monopoly as an economist would understand the term (though Youtube might).  There are readily available alternatives.  </p>
<p>What&#8217;s puzzling is why Zuckerberg, Brin, et al painted this target on their back.  It&#8217;s another episode of <i>gleichschaltung</i>.  </p>
<p>The other puzzling business is why companies like MasterCard and PayPal have elected to take orders from the $PLC.  Morris Dees is a scam artist and anyone who&#8217;s done minimal research into his organization has not excuse not to know it.</p>
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		By: steve walsh		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2018/09/13/the-power-of-google/#comment-2398349</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2018 11:14:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;2. What’s up with adults wearing hats with propellers?&quot;

I thought the same thing Cornhead. It&#039;s a cult, they are cultists. I work at a big, successful tech company, have for a very long time. There are people here who are true believers in the company and its products and services, in a Catholics vs Baptists, mine is better than yours sort of way. They stay with the company until they no longer believe. For me this is a job that finances my life. I watch the cultists come and go. Fortunately I&#039;m never made to swear my fealty, by wearing a silly hat or any other gaudy way.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;2. What’s up with adults wearing hats with propellers?&#8221;</p>
<p>I thought the same thing Cornhead. It&#8217;s a cult, they are cultists. I work at a big, successful tech company, have for a very long time. There are people here who are true believers in the company and its products and services, in a Catholics vs Baptists, mine is better than yours sort of way. They stay with the company until they no longer believe. For me this is a job that finances my life. I watch the cultists come and go. Fortunately I&#8217;m never made to swear my fealty, by wearing a silly hat or any other gaudy way.</p>
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		By: Manju		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2018/09/13/the-power-of-google/#comment-2398346</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Manju]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2018 10:24:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[“Qualify for first amendment protections” is an odd framing. 
 
I mean, all you have to do to qualify is engage in speech. Once that’s established, the burden of proof is on the government.  They have to prove that their law or action is constitutional, and often that mean they must go thru “strict scrutiny”, the highest level of judicial review.  

Google doesn’t have to prove that they are entitled to constitutional protection. That’s assumed, once speech is demonstrated. 

The author of the article moves the goalposts. Now Google must demonstrate that they are like the NYTimes. Well, that’s not the standard. Worse still, even if they are assumed to be neutral platform like a public square, which they are not, this doesn’t mean they do not enjoy 1A protection. 

The cited precedent, Rumsfeld v Forum of Academic and Institutional Rights, involves government funding…or whether 1A protests expressive platforms from losing government funding is they refuse to allow certain viewpoints to use their platform (in this case, military recruiters on campus).

Scotus said the 1A doesn’t apply. But that’s a very long way from the 1A not allowing for viewpoint discrimination.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Qualify for first amendment protections” is an odd framing. </p>
<p>I mean, all you have to do to qualify is engage in speech. Once that’s established, the burden of proof is on the government.  They have to prove that their law or action is constitutional, and often that mean they must go thru “strict scrutiny”, the highest level of judicial review.  </p>
<p>Google doesn’t have to prove that they are entitled to constitutional protection. That’s assumed, once speech is demonstrated. </p>
<p>The author of the article moves the goalposts. Now Google must demonstrate that they are like the NYTimes. Well, that’s not the standard. Worse still, even if they are assumed to be neutral platform like a public square, which they are not, this doesn’t mean they do not enjoy 1A protection. </p>
<p>The cited precedent, Rumsfeld v Forum of Academic and Institutional Rights, involves government funding…or whether 1A protests expressive platforms from losing government funding is they refuse to allow certain viewpoints to use their platform (in this case, military recruiters on campus).</p>
<p>Scotus said the 1A doesn’t apply. But that’s a very long way from the 1A not allowing for viewpoint discrimination.</p>
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		By: Yann		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2018/09/13/the-power-of-google/#comment-2398344</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2018 10:09:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s extremely difficult to change that, since modern left behaves as a intolerant cult. That causes that they will take control and invade every company.

This social dynamic has been incredible well explained by Nassim Taleb (the author from The Black Swan).

&lt;b&gt;The Most Intolerant Wins: The Dictatorship of the Small Minority&lt;/b&gt;
https://medium.com/incerto/the-most-intolerant-wins-the-dictatorship-of-the-small-minority-3f1f83ce4e15]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s extremely difficult to change that, since modern left behaves as a intolerant cult. That causes that they will take control and invade every company.</p>
<p>This social dynamic has been incredible well explained by Nassim Taleb (the author from The Black Swan).</p>
<p><b>The Most Intolerant Wins: The Dictatorship of the Small Minority</b><br />
<a href="https://medium.com/incerto/the-most-intolerant-wins-the-dictatorship-of-the-small-minority-3f1f83ce4e15" rel="nofollow ugc">https://medium.com/incerto/the-most-intolerant-wins-the-dictatorship-of-the-small-minority-3f1f83ce4e15</a></p>
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		By: Cornhead		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2018/09/13/the-power-of-google/#comment-2398343</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2018 10:00:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[1. Make Google move to Omaha.

2. What’s up with adults wearing hats with propellers?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. Make Google move to Omaha.</p>
<p>2. What’s up with adults wearing hats with propellers?</p>
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		By: lgude		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2018/09/13/the-power-of-google/#comment-2398340</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2018 09:45:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I think Richard Fernandez described the situation succinctly yesterday in his Belmont Club post at PJ media in the context of Kuhn&#039;s description of the varying ways an established paradigm responds to the emergence of a dissenting paradigm.   &quot;Which way the crisis will develop is suggested by the institutional strength of the progressive paradigm. It will try to stay unchanged and is so powerful that suppression and coexistence are likely to be more likely than the acceptance of error as a response to dissidence. Suppression is already in evidence.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Richard Fernandez described the situation succinctly yesterday in his Belmont Club post at PJ media in the context of Kuhn&#8217;s description of the varying ways an established paradigm responds to the emergence of a dissenting paradigm.   &#8220;Which way the crisis will develop is suggested by the institutional strength of the progressive paradigm. It will try to stay unchanged and is so powerful that suppression and coexistence are likely to be more likely than the acceptance of error as a response to dissidence. Suppression is already in evidence.&#8221;</p>
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