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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Some more Goldwater - the first real GOP casualty of the Leftist collusion.
https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Barry_Goldwater

&quot;Those who seek absolute power, even though they seek it to do what they regard as good, a&lt;b&gt;re simply demanding the right to enforce their own version of heaven on earth. And let me remind you, they are the very ones who always create the most hellish tyrannies. &lt;/b&gt;Absolute power does corrupt, and those who seek it must be suspect and must be opposed. Their mistaken course stems from false notions of equality, ladies and gentlemen. Equality, rightly understood, as our founding fathers understood it, leads to liberty and to the emancipation of creative differences. Wrongly understood, as it has been so tragically in our time, it leads first to conformity and then to despotism.&quot;
Acceptance Speech as the Republican Presidential candidate, San Francisco (July 1964)

&quot;It is a fact that Lyndon Johnson and his curious crew seem to believe that progress in this country is best served simply and directly through the ever-expanding gift power of the everlastingly growing Federal Government.&lt;b&gt; One thing we all know, and I assure you I do: that&#039;s a much easier way to get votes than my way. It always has been. &lt;/b&gt;It&#039;s political Daddyism, and it&#039;s as old as demagogues and despotism.&quot;
As quoted in &quot;The Underdog Underdog&quot; in TIME magazine (6 November 1964)

&quot;I have little interest in streamlining government or in making it more efficient, for I mean to reduce its size. I do not undertake to promote welfare, for I propose to extend freedom. My aim is not to pass laws, but to repeal them. It is not to inaugurate new programs, but to cancel old ones that do violence to the Constitution, or that have failed their purpose, or that impose on the people an unwarranted financial burden. I will not attempt to discover whether legislation is &quot;needed&quot; before I have first determined whether it is constitutionally permissible. And if I should later be attacked for neglecting my constituents&#039; &quot;interests,&quot; I shall reply that I was informed that their main interest is liberty and that in that cause I am doing the very best I can.&quot;

However, he had some positions that probably caused him some grief from the social conservatives, and got no credit for supporting them from the Left.

&quot;You don&#039;t need to be &#039;straight&#039; to fight and die for your country. You just need to shoot straight.&quot;
Statement of 10 June 1993, as quoted in &quot;Goldwater Backs Gay Troops&quot; in The New York Times (11 June 1993); also quoted in Barry Goldwater (1995), by Robert Alan Goldberg, p. 332
&quot;Everyone knows that gays have served honorably in the military since at least the time of Julius Caesar.&quot;
Op-Ed essay &quot;Ban On Gays Is Senseless Attempt To Stall The Inevitable&quot; in The Washington Post and The Los Angeles Times (1994)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some more Goldwater &#8211; the first real GOP casualty of the Leftist collusion.<br />
<a href="https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Barry_Goldwater" rel="nofollow ugc">https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Barry_Goldwater</a></p>
<p>&#8220;Those who seek absolute power, even though they seek it to do what they regard as good, a<b>re simply demanding the right to enforce their own version of heaven on earth. And let me remind you, they are the very ones who always create the most hellish tyrannies. </b>Absolute power does corrupt, and those who seek it must be suspect and must be opposed. Their mistaken course stems from false notions of equality, ladies and gentlemen. Equality, rightly understood, as our founding fathers understood it, leads to liberty and to the emancipation of creative differences. Wrongly understood, as it has been so tragically in our time, it leads first to conformity and then to despotism.&#8221;<br />
Acceptance Speech as the Republican Presidential candidate, San Francisco (July 1964)</p>
<p>&#8220;It is a fact that Lyndon Johnson and his curious crew seem to believe that progress in this country is best served simply and directly through the ever-expanding gift power of the everlastingly growing Federal Government.<b> One thing we all know, and I assure you I do: that&#8217;s a much easier way to get votes than my way. It always has been. </b>It&#8217;s political Daddyism, and it&#8217;s as old as demagogues and despotism.&#8221;<br />
As quoted in &#8220;The Underdog Underdog&#8221; in TIME magazine (6 November 1964)</p>
<p>&#8220;I have little interest in streamlining government or in making it more efficient, for I mean to reduce its size. I do not undertake to promote welfare, for I propose to extend freedom. My aim is not to pass laws, but to repeal them. It is not to inaugurate new programs, but to cancel old ones that do violence to the Constitution, or that have failed their purpose, or that impose on the people an unwarranted financial burden. I will not attempt to discover whether legislation is &#8220;needed&#8221; before I have first determined whether it is constitutionally permissible. And if I should later be attacked for neglecting my constituents&#8217; &#8220;interests,&#8221; I shall reply that I was informed that their main interest is liberty and that in that cause I am doing the very best I can.&#8221;</p>
<p>However, he had some positions that probably caused him some grief from the social conservatives, and got no credit for supporting them from the Left.</p>
<p>&#8220;You don&#8217;t need to be &#8216;straight&#8217; to fight and die for your country. You just need to shoot straight.&#8221;<br />
Statement of 10 June 1993, as quoted in &#8220;Goldwater Backs Gay Troops&#8221; in The New York Times (11 June 1993); also quoted in Barry Goldwater (1995), by Robert Alan Goldberg, p. 332<br />
&#8220;Everyone knows that gays have served honorably in the military since at least the time of Julius Caesar.&#8221;<br />
Op-Ed essay &#8220;Ban On Gays Is Senseless Attempt To Stall The Inevitable&#8221; in The Washington Post and The Los Angeles Times (1994)</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2018 05:56:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[David Foster on August 26, 2018 at 11:01 am at 11:01 am said:
The excessive avoidance of risk can also carry its own risks. I am frequently reminded of a passage from Walter Miller’s great novel, ‘A Canticle for Leibowitz’

“To minimize suffering and to maximize security were natural and proper ends of society and Caesar. But then they became the only ends, somehow, and the only basis of law—a perversion. Inevitably, then, in seeking only them, we found only their opposites: maximum suffering and minimum security.”
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Great book.
Every virtue can be pushed past its limits to become a vice.
However, I have never really understood why &quot;Goldwater&#039;s Maxim&quot; attracted so many venomous rebukes.

&quot;I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice! And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue!&quot;

I guess it depends on what &quot;extremism&quot; encompasses: that the Left allows Antifa to be its public face pretty much cinches the implication that they were envisioning a Republican analog if Goldwater won.
The second phrase, I believe, is now demonstrably correct.
The FBI and DOJ were certainly &quot;moderate&quot; in their pursuit of justice in re Clinton Inc.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David Foster on August 26, 2018 at 11:01 am at 11:01 am said:<br />
The excessive avoidance of risk can also carry its own risks. I am frequently reminded of a passage from Walter Miller’s great novel, ‘A Canticle for Leibowitz’</p>
<p>“To minimize suffering and to maximize security were natural and proper ends of society and Caesar. But then they became the only ends, somehow, and the only basis of law—a perversion. Inevitably, then, in seeking only them, we found only their opposites: maximum suffering and minimum security.”<br />
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Great book.<br />
Every virtue can be pushed past its limits to become a vice.<br />
However, I have never really understood why &#8220;Goldwater&#8217;s Maxim&#8221; attracted so many venomous rebukes.</p>
<p>&#8220;I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice! And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue!&#8221;</p>
<p>I guess it depends on what &#8220;extremism&#8221; encompasses: that the Left allows Antifa to be its public face pretty much cinches the implication that they were envisioning a Republican analog if Goldwater won.<br />
The second phrase, I believe, is now demonstrably correct.<br />
The FBI and DOJ were certainly &#8220;moderate&#8221; in their pursuit of justice in re Clinton Inc.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2018 05:44:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[miklos000rosza on August 27, 2018 at 1:39 am at 1:39 am said:
Hermann Goering was an accomplished rock-climber, ...

Goering was praised by the Karlsrue Military Academy: “He is not afraid to take a risk.”
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You always have the most interesting tidbits of information!
He risked everything on supporting Hitler, and almost won.

A bit more from Wikipedia - 

&quot;A veteran World War I fighter pilot ace, he was a recipient of the Pour le Mérite (The Blue Max). He was the last commander of Jagdgeschwader 1 (Jasta 1), the fighter wing once led by Manfred von Richthofen.

An early member of the Nazi Party, Göring was among those wounded in Adolf Hitler&#039;s failed Beer Hall Putsch in 1923. While receiving treatment for his injuries, he developed an addiction to morphine which persisted until the last year of his life. &quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>miklos000rosza on August 27, 2018 at 1:39 am at 1:39 am said:<br />
Hermann Goering was an accomplished rock-climber, &#8230;</p>
<p>Goering was praised by the Karlsrue Military Academy: “He is not afraid to take a risk.”<br />
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You always have the most interesting tidbits of information!<br />
He risked everything on supporting Hitler, and almost won.</p>
<p>A bit more from Wikipedia &#8211; </p>
<p>&#8220;A veteran World War I fighter pilot ace, he was a recipient of the Pour le Mérite (The Blue Max). He was the last commander of Jagdgeschwader 1 (Jasta 1), the fighter wing once led by Manfred von Richthofen.</p>
<p>An early member of the Nazi Party, Göring was among those wounded in Adolf Hitler&#8217;s failed Beer Hall Putsch in 1923. While receiving treatment for his injuries, he developed an addiction to morphine which persisted until the last year of his life. &#8220;</p>
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		By: J.J.		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2018 17:06:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[For those interested in the progression of rock climbing since the 1930s, this article from Outside magazine is informative.  It explains how advances were made - better equipment, psychological barriers overcome, and ethical considerations (moving away from the use of pitons and bolts toward &quot;clean climbing,&quot; which requires more free style climbing.)  It also introduces the names of many of those who were in the vanguard of progress. It was a real tip toe through the tulips for me.

https://www.outsideonline.com/2075501/25-greatest-moments-yosemite-climbing-history]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For those interested in the progression of rock climbing since the 1930s, this article from Outside magazine is informative.  It explains how advances were made &#8211; better equipment, psychological barriers overcome, and ethical considerations (moving away from the use of pitons and bolts toward &#8220;clean climbing,&#8221; which requires more free style climbing.)  It also introduces the names of many of those who were in the vanguard of progress. It was a real tip toe through the tulips for me.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.outsideonline.com/2075501/25-greatest-moments-yosemite-climbing-history" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.outsideonline.com/2075501/25-greatest-moments-yosemite-climbing-history</a></p>
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		By: miklos000rosza		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2018 05:39:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hermann Goering was an accomplished rock-climber, and at age 13 made it to the top of the 12,000 foot Gross Glockner by way of the most hazardous route. He &quot;put his shoulder out&quot; while swinging around an outjutting rock, reset it while dangling from the rope, continuing the climb while disregarding the pain.

&quot;I have no fear of heights. They stimulate me.&quot; 

Goering was praised by the Karlsrue Military Academy: &quot;He is not afraid to take a risk.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hermann Goering was an accomplished rock-climber, and at age 13 made it to the top of the 12,000 foot Gross Glockner by way of the most hazardous route. He &#8220;put his shoulder out&#8221; while swinging around an outjutting rock, reset it while dangling from the rope, continuing the climb while disregarding the pain.</p>
<p>&#8220;I have no fear of heights. They stimulate me.&#8221; </p>
<p>Goering was praised by the Karlsrue Military Academy: &#8220;He is not afraid to take a risk.&#8221;</p>
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		By: Old Surfer		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2018 00:01:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I can testify to the social aspects of both hang-gliding and big wave surfing, but the actual act of flying or surfing is its own reward, and no doubt the endorphin rush is a big part of that. At some points in my life I could not imagine NOT flying or paddling out on the North Shore, but age among other things has removed the compulsion, if not the desire.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can testify to the social aspects of both hang-gliding and big wave surfing, but the actual act of flying or surfing is its own reward, and no doubt the endorphin rush is a big part of that. At some points in my life I could not imagine NOT flying or paddling out on the North Shore, but age among other things has removed the compulsion, if not the desire.</p>
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		By: Thomas		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Aug 2018 22:13:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[They probably have the right attitude to be soldiers IMO. No life without doing their duty.

Also; probably no ptsd. Rather they&#039;ll save some brass or enemy flag or something to stir the memory down the line. They&#039;ll want to remember it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They probably have the right attitude to be soldiers IMO. No life without doing their duty.</p>
<p>Also; probably no ptsd. Rather they&#8217;ll save some brass or enemy flag or something to stir the memory down the line. They&#8217;ll want to remember it.</p>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Aug 2018 19:55:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Those who pushed the envelope and found themselves on the wrong side of it don&#039;t get to pass on what they learned from the process.  It seems that you have to do so many things absolutely right to survive and doing any one of then wrong will kill you.  Not good odds in the long run.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those who pushed the envelope and found themselves on the wrong side of it don&#8217;t get to pass on what they learned from the process.  It seems that you have to do so many things absolutely right to survive and doing any one of then wrong will kill you.  Not good odds in the long run.</p>
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		By: Greg Taylor		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Aug 2018 19:52:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[My whitewater kayaking son told me, after attending the funeral of a friend who had drowned in the river, this is the life we have chosen to live and we all know that the next time out could be our last.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My whitewater kayaking son told me, after attending the funeral of a friend who had drowned in the river, this is the life we have chosen to live and we all know that the next time out could be our last.</p>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Aug 2018 19:42:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[My risky behavior was sailboat racing. Pretty tame but we did long races to Mexico and Hawaii. On one Mexican race we went through a small hurricane. Wind speed pegged at 60 all night.
That&#039;s enough for me. Going to Hawaii, we had some big squalls at night. Scary for the helmsman but exciting, too.  I did &lt;a href=&quot;http://abriefhistory.org/?p=4532&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; a video clip on my own blog a few years ago.&lt;/a&gt;
I was navigator and that is pretty stressful.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My risky behavior was sailboat racing. Pretty tame but we did long races to Mexico and Hawaii. On one Mexican race we went through a small hurricane. Wind speed pegged at 60 all night.<br />
That&#8217;s enough for me. Going to Hawaii, we had some big squalls at night. Scary for the helmsman but exciting, too.  I did <a href="http://abriefhistory.org/?p=4532" rel="nofollow"> a video clip on my own blog a few years ago.</a><br />
I was navigator and that is pretty stressful.</p>
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