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		By: John F. MacMichael		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John F. MacMichael]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;“Everything I know in life I learned from Robert Heinlein &#038; Rudyard Kipling” is starting to look like a functional ideology.&quot;

Personally, I admire both Heinlein and Kipling, not, however, unconditionally or uncritically.  That said, one could do a lot worse than live one&#039;s life in accordance with the examples and precepts in their works.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;“Everything I know in life I learned from Robert Heinlein &amp; Rudyard Kipling” is starting to look like a functional ideology.&#8221;</p>
<p>Personally, I admire both Heinlein and Kipling, not, however, unconditionally or uncritically.  That said, one could do a lot worse than live one&#8217;s life in accordance with the examples and precepts in their works.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AesopFan]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hi John - small world!

&quot;Everything I know in life I learned from Robert Heinlein &#038; Rudyard Kipling&quot; is starting to look like a functional ideology.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi John &#8211; small world!</p>
<p>&#8220;Everything I know in life I learned from Robert Heinlein &amp; Rudyard Kipling&#8221; is starting to look like a functional ideology.</p>
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		By: John F. MacMichael		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[AesopFan, above @1:06 AM, I was surprised and rather pleased to see my comment from a few days ago at Sgt. Mom&#039;s blog quoted (with approval) here.  I am glad you liked it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AesopFan, above @1:06 AM, I was surprised and rather pleased to see my comment from a few days ago at Sgt. Mom&#8217;s blog quoted (with approval) here.  I am glad you liked it.</p>
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		By: Blacque Jacques Shellacque		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Blacque Jacques Shellacque]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[Talking Points Memo...haahahahahhaaahahaaa

Idiots galore there.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Talking Points Memo&#8230;haahahahahhaaahahaaa</p>
<p>Idiots galore there.</p>
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		By: Pat Loudoun		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[It looks like Josh is a little nervous about his blew wave. Too bad he and his buddies are the equivalent of 12 year-olds on paddleboards, trying to kick those waves up a bit.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It looks like Josh is a little nervous about his blew wave. Too bad he and his buddies are the equivalent of 12 year-olds on paddleboards, trying to kick those waves up a bit.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2018 05:06:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Some more things Trump -
https://amgreatness.com/2018/08/19/trumps-character-and-trumps-presidency/

David Horowitz answers Jonah Goldberg - worth reading to see his POV on moral character vs policy &#038; performance:

&#039;I don’t know whether it was the snideness of this comment [by Jonah] or its absoluteness that triggered me, but it seemed so pigheadedly self-righteous, so oblivious of the complexities of human character, not to mention the nuclear dimensions of the Left’s war against Trump that I responded—and in doing so walked into a hornets’ nest.&quot;

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Kind of a summary of the entire conflict; very short, and the first of several good comments.

http://www.ncobrief.com/index.php/archives/the-dogs-dont-like-it/

04. August 2018 · 34 comments	· (from Celia Hayes aka Sgt Mom)

The title of this post is the punchline to an old, old story about the limits of advertising; a story which may or may not be based on fact. The story goes that a big food-manufacturing conglomerate came up with a brand new formulation for dog food, and advertised it with a huge, costly campaign: print ads, TV commercials, product placement in movies, TV shows, county fairs, giveaways and sponsorships; the whole ball of wax … and the product cratered. The CEO of the company is irate and demands answers from anyone who can give him a reason why. Didn’t they do everything possible to make their dog food brand the market leader? Image everyone at that meeting looking nervously at each other at this point – because they have done everything possible … except for one small thing. Finally, someone gets up sufficient nerve to answer. “But the dogs don’t like it.”

This is the point that I believe has been reached with regard to the establishment news and entertainment media with regard to a major segment of the American public: the final consumer is pushing the plate away and saying, essentially, “I don’t like it.” This is not going down well with the major purveyors of the news dog-food. Witness CNN’s Jim Acosta, getting all bent out of shape at being heckled, harassed, and having uncomplimentary signs held up in back of him as he tries to do a live stand-up. It’s not enough for the manufacturers of media dog-food to have been biased on the progressive side since the days of Kennedy and Nixon, to have carried water for Bill Clinton and John Kerry, worshipped adoringly at the feet of Obama and all but carried the juggernaut of his candidacy over the finishing line twice, then to have attempted the same with Hilary, only to have Her Inevitableness, the Dowager Empress of Chautauqua fumble an election that was already almost in the bag for her. The last two years have seen the establishment news hounds (and their fellow-travelers in government, entertainment and academia) go completely bug-nuts with fury. How dare those – those – those deplorables in Flyoverlandia, those ignorant, racist hicks vote for that – that – reality TV star!?

They were so certain that the arrow of history was only ever going to fly one way – their way, the correct way. They were so certain of this … but then to find out that a good half of the country didn’t agree send them into a spiral of angry, baffled, unthinking rage. You would have thought that the good progressive, socially conscientious producers of news, entertainment, education and government rules should have known better, even if only out of self-interest. You’d have assumed they would realize at the start that pouring vituperative contempt on potential customers, clients, and consumers would only end in tears. As it happens, they didn’t – and the contempt flowed as freely as Sarah Jeong’s twitter feed. That apparently unbalanced young person may or may not get to keep a cushy job at the New York Times, the so-called paper of record, given a demonstrated tendency to vent a reservoir of spleen the size of Lake Michigan. A reasonable person might ask why she should, given that Roseanne Barr got the sack from her television show for far less insulting materiel.

Uncomfortable things happen to establishments like the New York Times, Newsweek, CNN, the NFL, Evergreen College and cities like San Francisco when the dogs don’t like it. Are we now at the point where the dogs take their eyeballs, their subscriptions, their entertainment and educational budgets and go elsewhere … and those places and more start feeling the bite? Which hurts … and they have no one but themselves to blame for not pleasing the dogs. Discuss, if you are so inclined.

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John F. MacMichael
20180804 at 1452
The steady downward spiral of the prestige and power of the major media illustrates a truth I first encountered as a boy. In one of Robert A. Heinlein’s YA novels “Citizen of the Galaxy” (1957) the young hero is given some advice by his foster father. He tells the boy to beware of lying because “…once a man gets a reputation as a liar, he might as well be struck dumb because men will no more listen to him than they will listen to the wind.” (I quote from memory so that is not exact).

For the MSM we can see this truth in action. Too many people have caught them too many times; whether getting key facts wrong, slanting stories, ignoring news that would embarrass the people or causes they support or just plain flat out lying (Rathergate anyone?). More and more people are tuning them out.

They will, no doubt, continue preaching to the choir &lt;b&gt;but an awful lot of people who used to be sitting in the pews have gotten up and walked out.&lt;/b&gt;

* * *
Cue post on #WalkAway movement.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some more things Trump &#8211;<br />
<a href="https://amgreatness.com/2018/08/19/trumps-character-and-trumps-presidency/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://amgreatness.com/2018/08/19/trumps-character-and-trumps-presidency/</a></p>
<p>David Horowitz answers Jonah Goldberg &#8211; worth reading to see his POV on moral character vs policy &amp; performance:</p>
<p>&#8216;I don’t know whether it was the snideness of this comment [by Jonah] or its absoluteness that triggered me, but it seemed so pigheadedly self-righteous, so oblivious of the complexities of human character, not to mention the nuclear dimensions of the Left’s war against Trump that I responded—and in doing so walked into a hornets’ nest.&#8221;</p>
<p>* * *<br />
Kind of a summary of the entire conflict; very short, and the first of several good comments.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ncobrief.com/index.php/archives/the-dogs-dont-like-it/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.ncobrief.com/index.php/archives/the-dogs-dont-like-it/</a></p>
<p>04. August 2018 · 34 comments	· (from Celia Hayes aka Sgt Mom)</p>
<p>The title of this post is the punchline to an old, old story about the limits of advertising; a story which may or may not be based on fact. The story goes that a big food-manufacturing conglomerate came up with a brand new formulation for dog food, and advertised it with a huge, costly campaign: print ads, TV commercials, product placement in movies, TV shows, county fairs, giveaways and sponsorships; the whole ball of wax … and the product cratered. The CEO of the company is irate and demands answers from anyone who can give him a reason why. Didn’t they do everything possible to make their dog food brand the market leader? Image everyone at that meeting looking nervously at each other at this point – because they have done everything possible … except for one small thing. Finally, someone gets up sufficient nerve to answer. “But the dogs don’t like it.”</p>
<p>This is the point that I believe has been reached with regard to the establishment news and entertainment media with regard to a major segment of the American public: the final consumer is pushing the plate away and saying, essentially, “I don’t like it.” This is not going down well with the major purveyors of the news dog-food. Witness CNN’s Jim Acosta, getting all bent out of shape at being heckled, harassed, and having uncomplimentary signs held up in back of him as he tries to do a live stand-up. It’s not enough for the manufacturers of media dog-food to have been biased on the progressive side since the days of Kennedy and Nixon, to have carried water for Bill Clinton and John Kerry, worshipped adoringly at the feet of Obama and all but carried the juggernaut of his candidacy over the finishing line twice, then to have attempted the same with Hilary, only to have Her Inevitableness, the Dowager Empress of Chautauqua fumble an election that was already almost in the bag for her. The last two years have seen the establishment news hounds (and their fellow-travelers in government, entertainment and academia) go completely bug-nuts with fury. How dare those – those – those deplorables in Flyoverlandia, those ignorant, racist hicks vote for that – that – reality TV star!?</p>
<p>They were so certain that the arrow of history was only ever going to fly one way – their way, the correct way. They were so certain of this … but then to find out that a good half of the country didn’t agree send them into a spiral of angry, baffled, unthinking rage. You would have thought that the good progressive, socially conscientious producers of news, entertainment, education and government rules should have known better, even if only out of self-interest. You’d have assumed they would realize at the start that pouring vituperative contempt on potential customers, clients, and consumers would only end in tears. As it happens, they didn’t – and the contempt flowed as freely as Sarah Jeong’s twitter feed. That apparently unbalanced young person may or may not get to keep a cushy job at the New York Times, the so-called paper of record, given a demonstrated tendency to vent a reservoir of spleen the size of Lake Michigan. A reasonable person might ask why she should, given that Roseanne Barr got the sack from her television show for far less insulting materiel.</p>
<p>Uncomfortable things happen to establishments like the New York Times, Newsweek, CNN, the NFL, Evergreen College and cities like San Francisco when the dogs don’t like it. Are we now at the point where the dogs take their eyeballs, their subscriptions, their entertainment and educational budgets and go elsewhere … and those places and more start feeling the bite? Which hurts … and they have no one but themselves to blame for not pleasing the dogs. Discuss, if you are so inclined.</p>
<p>34 Comments</p>
<p>John F. MacMichael<br />
20180804 at 1452<br />
The steady downward spiral of the prestige and power of the major media illustrates a truth I first encountered as a boy. In one of Robert A. Heinlein’s YA novels “Citizen of the Galaxy” (1957) the young hero is given some advice by his foster father. He tells the boy to beware of lying because “…once a man gets a reputation as a liar, he might as well be struck dumb because men will no more listen to him than they will listen to the wind.” (I quote from memory so that is not exact).</p>
<p>For the MSM we can see this truth in action. Too many people have caught them too many times; whether getting key facts wrong, slanting stories, ignoring news that would embarrass the people or causes they support or just plain flat out lying (Rathergate anyone?). More and more people are tuning them out.</p>
<p>They will, no doubt, continue preaching to the choir <b>but an awful lot of people who used to be sitting in the pews have gotten up and walked out.</b></p>
<p>* * *<br />
Cue post on #WalkAway movement.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[eeyore on August 20, 2018 at 2:10 pm at 2:10 pm said:

I don’t know if they realize they created the Trump we have, where with a little cooperation and generosity they could have had the Trump that I feared.
* * *
Indeed.

A few interesting posts on topic:
https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2018/08/the_story_of_ohr_and_more.html

https://amgreatness.com/2018/08/20/manaforts-web-ensnares-nevertrumpers-democrats-everyone/

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1030528033411674112.html
Thread by @KimStrassel: &quot;It is never fun to tackle fact checkers, but this one is a case study in that modern art of omitting details, stating unsupportable assertions as fact, slipping things in, manipulating a narrative. Opinion as &quot;fact.&quot; So let&#039;s go through it. &quot;

Kim thorough fisks the WaPo articles &quot;Who is Bruce Ohr?&quot; and hands out a gazillian Alternative-Pinocchios for their word-smithing -- nothing they say is literally untrue, but what they don&#039;t say makes the entire article a lie.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>eeyore on August 20, 2018 at 2:10 pm at 2:10 pm said:</p>
<p>I don’t know if they realize they created the Trump we have, where with a little cooperation and generosity they could have had the Trump that I feared.<br />
* * *<br />
Indeed.</p>
<p>A few interesting posts on topic:<br />
<a href="https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2018/08/the_story_of_ohr_and_more.html" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2018/08/the_story_of_ohr_and_more.html</a></p>
<p><a href="https://amgreatness.com/2018/08/20/manaforts-web-ensnares-nevertrumpers-democrats-everyone/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://amgreatness.com/2018/08/20/manaforts-web-ensnares-nevertrumpers-democrats-everyone/</a></p>
<p><a href="https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1030528033411674112.html" rel="nofollow ugc">https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1030528033411674112.html</a><br />
Thread by @KimStrassel: &#8220;It is never fun to tackle fact checkers, but this one is a case study in that modern art of omitting details, stating unsupportable assertions as fact, slipping things in, manipulating a narrative. Opinion as &#8220;fact.&#8221; So let&#8217;s go through it. &#8221;</p>
<p>Kim thorough fisks the WaPo articles &#8220;Who is Bruce Ohr?&#8221; and hands out a gazillian Alternative-Pinocchios for their word-smithing &#8212; nothing they say is literally untrue, but what they don&#8217;t say makes the entire article a lie.</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;When Trump was running, I did have concerns of him being a Manchurian Candidate for the progressives.&quot;

I remember thinking he was a joke candidate running at least in part to trip up real candidates in order to help out his pals, the Clintons.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;When Trump was running, I did have concerns of him being a Manchurian Candidate for the progressives.&#8221;</p>
<p>I remember thinking he was a joke candidate running at least in part to trip up real candidates in order to help out his pals, the Clintons.</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[Who is this idiot and what the hell is TMP?  Did he manage to graduate elementary school?]]></description>
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