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		By: T		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Neo,

With regard to &quot;hustler&quot; being a less-than-honest term (above August 1, 3:31 pm), I just ran across this today.  From a book review of Salena Zito and Brad Todd&#039;s book &lt;i&gt;The Great Revolt&lt;/i&gt;

&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;Perhaps the deepest common groove between Zito’s interviewees is work ethic. These Trump voters hustle, and come from families of hustlers. . . . they know and believe strongly in both sides of the equation of a day’s wages for a day’s work. &lt;/b&gt; &lt;/blockquote&gt;

So is Trump both a tactical &quot;Fast Eddie&quot; Felsen hustler as well as a results-driven Salena Zito hustler?

Link to Joy Pullman&#039;s review:

http://thefederalist.com/2018/08/03/8-insights-from-salena-zitos-book-about-trumps-america?

Furthermore, just some rhetorical questions for this discussion:  If Trump sees business dealings as essentially a war between opposing forces (military academy), then isn&#039;t he wise to not tip his hand (a Fast Eddie Felsen hustle)?  Isn&#039;t this what diplomats do all of the time (a la Kissinger&#039;s comment about diplomacy being a chess game played simultaneously on the table and under it)?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neo,</p>
<p>With regard to &#8220;hustler&#8221; being a less-than-honest term (above August 1, 3:31 pm), I just ran across this today.  From a book review of Salena Zito and Brad Todd&#8217;s book <i>The Great Revolt</i></p>
<blockquote cite=""><p><b>Perhaps the deepest common groove between Zito’s interviewees is work ethic. These Trump voters hustle, and come from families of hustlers. . . . they know and believe strongly in both sides of the equation of a day’s wages for a day’s work. </b> </p></blockquote>
<p>So is Trump both a tactical &#8220;Fast Eddie&#8221; Felsen hustler as well as a results-driven Salena Zito hustler?</p>
<p>Link to Joy Pullman&#8217;s review:</p>
<p><a href="http://thefederalist.com/2018/08/03/8-insights-from-salena-zitos-book-about-trumps-america" rel="nofollow ugc">http://thefederalist.com/2018/08/03/8-insights-from-salena-zitos-book-about-trumps-america</a>?</p>
<p>Furthermore, just some rhetorical questions for this discussion:  If Trump sees business dealings as essentially a war between opposing forces (military academy), then isn&#8217;t he wise to not tip his hand (a Fast Eddie Felsen hustle)?  Isn&#8217;t this what diplomats do all of the time (a la Kissinger&#8217;s comment about diplomacy being a chess game played simultaneously on the table and under it)?</p>
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		By: Richard Saunders		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2018 01:44:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Kristian Holvoet&lt;/i&gt;---  No, if Trump wants X, he asks for 2X or 3X. That&#039;s how you make deals.  If you make a &quot;reasonable offer,&quot; say X +.1X, you will end up with 1/2 X.  People who never had to make deals, like, oh, George Will, Hillary Clinton,  Barak Obama, or anyone working for CNN, are shocked, shocked, to see this way of negotiating.  They all probably pay retail.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Kristian Holvoet</i>&#8212;  No, if Trump wants X, he asks for 2X or 3X. That&#8217;s how you make deals.  If you make a &#8220;reasonable offer,&#8221; say X +.1X, you will end up with 1/2 X.  People who never had to make deals, like, oh, George Will, Hillary Clinton,  Barak Obama, or anyone working for CNN, are shocked, shocked, to see this way of negotiating.  They all probably pay retail.</p>
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		By: Mike K		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2018 15:36:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;I see him more as a Used Car Salesman myself.&quot;

I disagree. I learned in a decision theory course I took as part of a health policy MS that you never offer more than one choice to a customer. Car salesmen know this and, if you notice, they show you one car and avoid choices. There are actually a couple of medical journal articles showing that offering patients a choice of NSAID drugs for arthritis increases the probability that they will not buy any,

Trump is doing all sorts of things at once, unlike a car salesman. Taxes, border, the Norks, Iran, Russia, Ukraine, Obamacare. It&#039;s hard to keep up, especially with the outrage of the week dominating the news.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I see him more as a Used Car Salesman myself.&#8221;</p>
<p>I disagree. I learned in a decision theory course I took as part of a health policy MS that you never offer more than one choice to a customer. Car salesmen know this and, if you notice, they show you one car and avoid choices. There are actually a couple of medical journal articles showing that offering patients a choice of NSAID drugs for arthritis increases the probability that they will not buy any,</p>
<p>Trump is doing all sorts of things at once, unlike a car salesman. Taxes, border, the Norks, Iran, Russia, Ukraine, Obamacare. It&#8217;s hard to keep up, especially with the outrage of the week dominating the news.</p>
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		By: David Foster		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2018 15:20:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Continuing on my earlier thought about The College---here&#039;s Captain Beaufre (later to be a general) on his experience on the French General Staff in the late 1930s:

&quot;I saw very quickly that our seniors were primarily concerned with forms of drafting. Every memorandum had to be perfect, written in a concise, impersonal style, and conforming to a logical and faultless plan–but so abstract that it had to be read several times before one could find out what it was about…”I have the honour to inform you that I have decided…I envisage…I attach some importance to the fact that…” Actually no one decided more than the barest minimum, and what indeed was decided was pretty trivial.&quot;

This placing of great importance on the form of what is said, to the point of deemphasis on what is done, is characteristic of way too much of American society today.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Continuing on my earlier thought about The College&#8212;here&#8217;s Captain Beaufre (later to be a general) on his experience on the French General Staff in the late 1930s:</p>
<p>&#8220;I saw very quickly that our seniors were primarily concerned with forms of drafting. Every memorandum had to be perfect, written in a concise, impersonal style, and conforming to a logical and faultless plan–but so abstract that it had to be read several times before one could find out what it was about…”I have the honour to inform you that I have decided…I envisage…I attach some importance to the fact that…” Actually no one decided more than the barest minimum, and what indeed was decided was pretty trivial.&#8221;</p>
<p>This placing of great importance on the form of what is said, to the point of deemphasis on what is done, is characteristic of way too much of American society today.</p>
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		By: Phillipa Crawford		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2018 12:53:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[David Foster: &quot;I believe much of the hostility toward Trump stems from the fact that he is *not* from the “College”, and doesn’t pay it much regard, either.&quot;

Ding! Ding! Ding!

President Trump is doing what is best for America and isn&#039;t shy about saying so. Bully for the outsider showing the college how it&#039;s done.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David Foster: &#8220;I believe much of the hostility toward Trump stems from the fact that he is *not* from the “College”, and doesn’t pay it much regard, either.&#8221;</p>
<p>Ding! Ding! Ding!</p>
<p>President Trump is doing what is best for America and isn&#8217;t shy about saying so. Bully for the outsider showing the college how it&#8217;s done.</p>
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		By: david foster		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2018 12:38:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Regarding Trump&#039;s mode of operation, and the fervent hostility toward him, here is an analogy:

On the day in 1940 in which the Germans invaded France, Picasso met Matisse on the street: Matisse was on his way to his tailors. When Picasso reminded him that the Nazis might arrive in Paris any day, Matisse is said to have asked naively, &quot;But what about our generals, what are they doing?&quot; Picasso responded, &quot;Oh they&#039;re all from the College of Fine Arts.&quot;

By which Picasso meant that the generals had been inculcated with a standardized and rigid style of thinking.  It was a perceptive comment, entirely in line with what was observed by Andre Beaufre as a young Captain on the French General Staff.

I believe much of the hostility toward Trump stems from the fact that he is *not* from the &quot;College&quot;, and doesn&#039;t pay it much regard, either.

Think also of the hostility--an actual riot, apparently--that greeted the first performance of Stravinsky&#039;s &#039;Rite of Sprint&#039;, due to its disregard of musical conventions.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding Trump&#8217;s mode of operation, and the fervent hostility toward him, here is an analogy:</p>
<p>On the day in 1940 in which the Germans invaded France, Picasso met Matisse on the street: Matisse was on his way to his tailors. When Picasso reminded him that the Nazis might arrive in Paris any day, Matisse is said to have asked naively, &#8220;But what about our generals, what are they doing?&#8221; Picasso responded, &#8220;Oh they&#8217;re all from the College of Fine Arts.&#8221;</p>
<p>By which Picasso meant that the generals had been inculcated with a standardized and rigid style of thinking.  It was a perceptive comment, entirely in line with what was observed by Andre Beaufre as a young Captain on the French General Staff.</p>
<p>I believe much of the hostility toward Trump stems from the fact that he is *not* from the &#8220;College&#8221;, and doesn&#8217;t pay it much regard, either.</p>
<p>Think also of the hostility&#8211;an actual riot, apparently&#8211;that greeted the first performance of Stravinsky&#8217;s &#8216;Rite of Sprint&#8217;, due to its disregard of musical conventions.</p>
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		By: ymarsakar		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2018 12:32:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Trum said something interesting in his 2015 victory speech which I watched first time just now to see what he was like. He said that Secretary Hillary Clinton should be thanked for her service to the country and he meant it sincerely. I can take that at face value due to sources.

Trum and Clinton goes in the same New York social circles and they have a good relationship. It&#039;s why she isn&#039;t in jail until she is dead at least. It is also why Clinton suggested to Trum that he go make trouble in the Republican primary instead of the Democrat one, and Trum agreed. When Trum won, then he had to get serious, as he isn&#039;t the kind of person to throw a match this important.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trum said something interesting in his 2015 victory speech which I watched first time just now to see what he was like. He said that Secretary Hillary Clinton should be thanked for her service to the country and he meant it sincerely. I can take that at face value due to sources.</p>
<p>Trum and Clinton goes in the same New York social circles and they have a good relationship. It&#8217;s why she isn&#8217;t in jail until she is dead at least. It is also why Clinton suggested to Trum that he go make trouble in the Republican primary instead of the Democrat one, and Trum agreed. When Trum won, then he had to get serious, as he isn&#8217;t the kind of person to throw a match this important.</p>
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		By: ymarsakar		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2018 11:58:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Trum, Leo ascendant, Mars first house.

Power, persona, attention seeking. Mars is in Magha nixshatra. 

A lot of what Trum was doing in the 2015 campaign was due to his starry sky influences. His post victory speech was closer to his normal self. 

All humans live under the creation of the starry skies and all are influenced by it, whether they know it or not. This is called Divine Plan or fate or coincidence.

Jesus of Nazareth was born with his ascendant as Virgo, with the Sun and Moon covering and conjuncting the constellation. This is detailed in Revelations and is also why the 3 Magi could look in the sky and know that what Daniel talked about was here.

Btw, there is a difference between using the Tropical system and the Sidereal system. For some odd reason, astronomically the Tropical system is off by more than 20 degrees. No wonder it is inaccurate.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trum, Leo ascendant, Mars first house.</p>
<p>Power, persona, attention seeking. Mars is in Magha nixshatra. </p>
<p>A lot of what Trum was doing in the 2015 campaign was due to his starry sky influences. His post victory speech was closer to his normal self. </p>
<p>All humans live under the creation of the starry skies and all are influenced by it, whether they know it or not. This is called Divine Plan or fate or coincidence.</p>
<p>Jesus of Nazareth was born with his ascendant as Virgo, with the Sun and Moon covering and conjuncting the constellation. This is detailed in Revelations and is also why the 3 Magi could look in the sky and know that what Daniel talked about was here.</p>
<p>Btw, there is a difference between using the Tropical system and the Sidereal system. For some odd reason, astronomically the Tropical system is off by more than 20 degrees. No wonder it is inaccurate.</p>
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		By: Ariel		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[And AesopFan,

Whatever my opinion of Trump is, he isn&#039;t Mr. Trump. All us males are Mister, the President is addressed as either Mr. President or President XX. When we have our first woman President, we&#039;ll have to sort out whether Madam is appropriate.

When I attack the man I use &quot;Trump&quot;, when I attack his presidency I use &quot;Trump&quot;, when I speak of the President of the United States it&#039;s Mr. President.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And AesopFan,</p>
<p>Whatever my opinion of Trump is, he isn&#8217;t Mr. Trump. All us males are Mister, the President is addressed as either Mr. President or President XX. When we have our first woman President, we&#8217;ll have to sort out whether Madam is appropriate.</p>
<p>When I attack the man I use &#8220;Trump&#8221;, when I attack his presidency I use &#8220;Trump&#8221;, when I speak of the President of the United States it&#8217;s Mr. President.</p>
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		By: Ariel		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2018 08:28:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hi Neo,
If we must do the inscrutable Oriental playing chess well beyond what us poor Westerners can do then...
1. China has had a problem with NK impounding their fishing boats for five or ten years now, a thorn. Now they have a real problem with a realized NK nuclear program that is an even bigger threat to them than it is to the USA. Those missiles that can&#039;t quite reach the USA can hit the heartland of China all day long. Duh. The game change for China was when NK showed it had the capability of nukes. Wait, it was Trump&#039;s brilliance in tactics and strategy, not the Chinese doing 3D chess over NK using the nuclear threat against them. 
2. China can profit more from the shake up of the current order than the USA. The current order is Eurocentric (that includes North America) or Western centric which would include Japan and SK. It&#039;s stable trade agreements, stable treaties like NATO and the Pacific security treaties. Stability that doesn&#039;t include China, an instability that can only profit China in that long-term chess. Really, try taking the analysis from Australian newspapers rather than from Instapundit and American Thinker. 
3. The article from American Thinker created Trump as a master of Sun Tzu from a tweet and then from a link to Quora where they make all sorts of conjecture that Trump is a master of Sun Tzu and even Machiavelli because Trump seems to be following what they think Sun Tzu and Machiavelli meant. But what do we know about Trump? He&#039;s superficial, he has little understanding of history, and he has an ego that can&#039;t accept either. Hey, I can quote Miyamoto Musashi, I&#039;ve read Go Rin No Sho (The Five Rings), but I&#039;m still not an expert on what he meant. 

So the Chinese told Glenn Reynolds that Trump was a master tactician and that he was doing &#039;creative destruction&#039; that would so benefit the USA...I would just have to ask rhetorically why those oh so smart Chinese would think it was a good thing? Maybe they recognized it was only destructive for the USA but so creative for China? Maybe Glenn Reynolds is the best source cuz he spent like a week or a month?

And to Huxley, what Trump effectiveness? All of this is in flux, nothing is settled proving effectiveness. I did read that the Trump administration was giving 12 billion to farmers to make up for the losses caused by this mercantilist trade war, but that must be fake news cuz a trade war can only benefit America in the short or long term so no need.

An habitual liar.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Neo,<br />
If we must do the inscrutable Oriental playing chess well beyond what us poor Westerners can do then&#8230;<br />
1. China has had a problem with NK impounding their fishing boats for five or ten years now, a thorn. Now they have a real problem with a realized NK nuclear program that is an even bigger threat to them than it is to the USA. Those missiles that can&#8217;t quite reach the USA can hit the heartland of China all day long. Duh. The game change for China was when NK showed it had the capability of nukes. Wait, it was Trump&#8217;s brilliance in tactics and strategy, not the Chinese doing 3D chess over NK using the nuclear threat against them.<br />
2. China can profit more from the shake up of the current order than the USA. The current order is Eurocentric (that includes North America) or Western centric which would include Japan and SK. It&#8217;s stable trade agreements, stable treaties like NATO and the Pacific security treaties. Stability that doesn&#8217;t include China, an instability that can only profit China in that long-term chess. Really, try taking the analysis from Australian newspapers rather than from Instapundit and American Thinker.<br />
3. The article from American Thinker created Trump as a master of Sun Tzu from a tweet and then from a link to Quora where they make all sorts of conjecture that Trump is a master of Sun Tzu and even Machiavelli because Trump seems to be following what they think Sun Tzu and Machiavelli meant. But what do we know about Trump? He&#8217;s superficial, he has little understanding of history, and he has an ego that can&#8217;t accept either. Hey, I can quote Miyamoto Musashi, I&#8217;ve read Go Rin No Sho (The Five Rings), but I&#8217;m still not an expert on what he meant. </p>
<p>So the Chinese told Glenn Reynolds that Trump was a master tactician and that he was doing &#8216;creative destruction&#8217; that would so benefit the USA&#8230;I would just have to ask rhetorically why those oh so smart Chinese would think it was a good thing? Maybe they recognized it was only destructive for the USA but so creative for China? Maybe Glenn Reynolds is the best source cuz he spent like a week or a month?</p>
<p>And to Huxley, what Trump effectiveness? All of this is in flux, nothing is settled proving effectiveness. I did read that the Trump administration was giving 12 billion to farmers to make up for the losses caused by this mercantilist trade war, but that must be fake news cuz a trade war can only benefit America in the short or long term so no need.</p>
<p>An habitual liar.</p>
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