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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2018/07/02/the-left-is-redefining-free-speech/#comment-2389852</link>

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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;That is how darkness converts light into darkness.&quot; - ymarsakar

Tuvea Says: 
July 3rd, 2018 at 7:46 am
It will take historians 100 years from now to determine what the exact tipping point was. When the vast middle class in the US collectively decided that they were fed up being lied to by the leftists.

parker Says: 
July 3rd, 2018 at 12:08 am
The ‘intellectuals’ may be as as smart as they dream, but they lack wisdom and common sense. ... Go ahead and start CW2, you will starve to death before it is over.

Dennis Says: 
July 2nd, 2018 at 8:40 pm
I’m not a lawyer, but long ago when I was working on a Master’s Degree in Public Administration, I was encouraged to take a number of pre-law courses, which I did and found very interesting. Somewhere along in there someone mentioned in passing that a Constitutional Law background did not teach about the Constitution, it’s background and value but rather about how to get around the precepts of the Constitution. Whenever I hear about someone being a “Constitutional Scholar” or “Professor” now I think of that and it is invariably true.

Fractal Rabbit Says: 
July 2nd, 2018 at 5:24 pm
As they say at Instapundit, “They will hate the new rules when applied to them.”


https://townhall.com/columnists/dennisprager/2018/07/03/if-were-nazis-expect-more-violence-n2496661?utm_campaign=rightrailsticky3

&quot;ecause of the ever-descending moral and intellectual state of the mainstream news media, there has been no outcry against the leftists who call President Donald Trump and all Americans who support him Nazis. Indeed, members of the media now regularly do so.

Without that outcry, this labeling will only increase; and this steadily increasing drumbeat of hysteria is likely to lead to one result: violence against conservatives.
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The New York Times recently reported that left-wing intellectuals regret the historic liberal defense of free speech. There is no question that if the left were to have its way, many, if not most, conservative opinions would be legally banned and those expressing them arrested.

I pray violence does not erupt in America. But if, God forbid, it does, let&#039;s be clear it was the left that started it, just as surely as the South&#039;s firing at Fort Sumter started the first Civil War.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;That is how darkness converts light into darkness.&#8221; &#8211; ymarsakar</p>
<p>Tuvea Says:<br />
July 3rd, 2018 at 7:46 am<br />
It will take historians 100 years from now to determine what the exact tipping point was. When the vast middle class in the US collectively decided that they were fed up being lied to by the leftists.</p>
<p>parker Says:<br />
July 3rd, 2018 at 12:08 am<br />
The ‘intellectuals’ may be as as smart as they dream, but they lack wisdom and common sense. &#8230; Go ahead and start CW2, you will starve to death before it is over.</p>
<p>Dennis Says:<br />
July 2nd, 2018 at 8:40 pm<br />
I’m not a lawyer, but long ago when I was working on a Master’s Degree in Public Administration, I was encouraged to take a number of pre-law courses, which I did and found very interesting. Somewhere along in there someone mentioned in passing that a Constitutional Law background did not teach about the Constitution, it’s background and value but rather about how to get around the precepts of the Constitution. Whenever I hear about someone being a “Constitutional Scholar” or “Professor” now I think of that and it is invariably true.</p>
<p>Fractal Rabbit Says:<br />
July 2nd, 2018 at 5:24 pm<br />
As they say at Instapundit, “They will hate the new rules when applied to them.”</p>
<p><a href="https://townhall.com/columnists/dennisprager/2018/07/03/if-were-nazis-expect-more-violence-n2496661?utm_campaign=rightrailsticky3" rel="nofollow ugc">https://townhall.com/columnists/dennisprager/2018/07/03/if-were-nazis-expect-more-violence-n2496661?utm_campaign=rightrailsticky3</a></p>
<p>&#8220;ecause of the ever-descending moral and intellectual state of the mainstream news media, there has been no outcry against the leftists who call President Donald Trump and all Americans who support him Nazis. Indeed, members of the media now regularly do so.</p>
<p>Without that outcry, this labeling will only increase; and this steadily increasing drumbeat of hysteria is likely to lead to one result: violence against conservatives.<br />
&#8230;<br />
The New York Times recently reported that left-wing intellectuals regret the historic liberal defense of free speech. There is no question that if the left were to have its way, many, if not most, conservative opinions would be legally banned and those expressing them arrested.</p>
<p>I pray violence does not erupt in America. But if, God forbid, it does, let&#8217;s be clear it was the left that started it, just as surely as the South&#8217;s firing at Fort Sumter started the first Civil War.&#8221;</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Fractal Rabbit Says: 
July 2nd, 2018 at 5:24 pm
As they say at Instapundit, “They will hate the new rules when applied to them.”
* * *
Instapundit attributes the saying to Kurt Schlichter here, but it doesn&#039;t really matter who said it first, because it is certainly true - and they have been warned about that for years.

https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/287236/

I couldn&#039;t find Kurt actually saying this in so many words, but this article is what he is talking about.

https://townhall.com/columnists/kurtschlichter/2017/02/13/shoving-alinskys-rules-for-radicals-right-back-in-the-lefts-ugly-face-n2284892]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fractal Rabbit Says:<br />
July 2nd, 2018 at 5:24 pm<br />
As they say at Instapundit, “They will hate the new rules when applied to them.”<br />
* * *<br />
Instapundit attributes the saying to Kurt Schlichter here, but it doesn&#8217;t really matter who said it first, because it is certainly true &#8211; and they have been warned about that for years.</p>
<p><a href="https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/287236/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/287236/</a></p>
<p>I couldn&#8217;t find Kurt actually saying this in so many words, but this article is what he is talking about.</p>
<p><a href="https://townhall.com/columnists/kurtschlichter/2017/02/13/shoving-alinskys-rules-for-radicals-right-back-in-the-lefts-ugly-face-n2284892" rel="nofollow ugc">https://townhall.com/columnists/kurtschlichter/2017/02/13/shoving-alinskys-rules-for-radicals-right-back-in-the-lefts-ugly-face-n2284892</a></p>
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		By: ymarsakar		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2018 21:32:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;That is why they turn so quickly on persons who agree with them, but who refuse to use mental compulsion (propaganda) or physical compulsion (lawfare or legislation) against others. Mere agreement with the “How Things Ought To Be” propositions is not enough for the left; they also require you to be anxious to compel others.&lt;/b&gt;

People will most likely be surprised that as more people fight these totalitarians, the more people will come to adopt the same methods just to survive.

They will be surprised but they will feel they have little choice but to learn from their enemies. That is how darkness converts light into darkness.

Mao and Stalin produced generations of slaves that thought Stalin pappa and chairman Mao were the good guys. Are we supposed to nuke all of them? Then what, whe nthe Left corrupts the heart of America. Nuke America too?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>That is why they turn so quickly on persons who agree with them, but who refuse to use mental compulsion (propaganda) or physical compulsion (lawfare or legislation) against others. Mere agreement with the “How Things Ought To Be” propositions is not enough for the left; they also require you to be anxious to compel others.</b></p>
<p>People will most likely be surprised that as more people fight these totalitarians, the more people will come to adopt the same methods just to survive.</p>
<p>They will be surprised but they will feel they have little choice but to learn from their enemies. That is how darkness converts light into darkness.</p>
<p>Mao and Stalin produced generations of slaves that thought Stalin pappa and chairman Mao were the good guys. Are we supposed to nuke all of them? Then what, whe nthe Left corrupts the heart of America. Nuke America too?</p>
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		By: Fractal Rabbit		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2018 20:52:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I wonder if unArtfldgr has a goatee like Evil Spock?]]></description>
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		By: Sam L.		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2018 19:59:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Redefining:  No Republicans or conservatives allowed.]]></description>
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		By: Beverly		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2018 19:39:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I recently went to a play in Greenwich Village, attended by a bunch of aging Commies/liberal asshats, and me: about a Russian poet who&#039;d been persecuted by Stalin [Akhamatova]. Husband shot by Bolshevik firing squad, son imprisoned in the Gulag for 18 years.... poet impoverished and in perpetual danger.

The old Lefties in the audience were thrilled and quivering, little gasps here and there, and I knew they were all huffing the glue of TDS, imaging themselves in her shoes, heroically resisting ... Donald Trump!

Sure enough, in the Q&#038;A afterwards, the playwright and audience all identified with Akhmatova: ENTIRELY MISSING the HUGE fact that Stalin was one of THEM. &quot;Deranged&quot; is not too strong a term for these folks. If Akhmatova were alive, she would scorn them and shout, &quot;YOU are the Bolsheviks, not the refuseniks!!!&quot;

Sheesh. It really is a species of insanity. The woman sitting next to me has a giant poster of Chairman Mao [50 million victims] in her son&#039;s room -- and she didn&#039;t get it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recently went to a play in Greenwich Village, attended by a bunch of aging Commies/liberal asshats, and me: about a Russian poet who&#8217;d been persecuted by Stalin [Akhamatova]. Husband shot by Bolshevik firing squad, son imprisoned in the Gulag for 18 years&#8230;. poet impoverished and in perpetual danger.</p>
<p>The old Lefties in the audience were thrilled and quivering, little gasps here and there, and I knew they were all huffing the glue of TDS, imaging themselves in her shoes, heroically resisting &#8230; Donald Trump!</p>
<p>Sure enough, in the Q&amp;A afterwards, the playwright and audience all identified with Akhmatova: ENTIRELY MISSING the HUGE fact that Stalin was one of THEM. &#8220;Deranged&#8221; is not too strong a term for these folks. If Akhmatova were alive, she would scorn them and shout, &#8220;YOU are the Bolsheviks, not the refuseniks!!!&#8221;</p>
<p>Sheesh. It really is a species of insanity. The woman sitting next to me has a giant poster of Chairman Mao [50 million victims] in her son&#8217;s room &#8212; and she didn&#8217;t get it.</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2018 18:43:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Extreme polarization of society beyond the ability of some leftists to tolerate it is at the root of their willingness to ditch the 1st Amendment.  In a marriage it would be called irreconcilable differences. 
Matt Damon moving his family to another country is a logical step. His motive appears to be strongly influenced by Howard Zinn&#039;s postmodern view of power struggles among groups, some of which Zinn saw as malicious.  Projecting malice exacerbates polarization.
On a deeper and personal level, polarization (especially the kind created by identity politics) results from identification with objects of perception.  Rabbi Ted Falcon suggests that perception (awareness itself) is a more appropriate center of identity. Moving to that center is done by meditating.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Extreme polarization of society beyond the ability of some leftists to tolerate it is at the root of their willingness to ditch the 1st Amendment.  In a marriage it would be called irreconcilable differences.<br />
Matt Damon moving his family to another country is a logical step. His motive appears to be strongly influenced by Howard Zinn&#8217;s postmodern view of power struggles among groups, some of which Zinn saw as malicious.  Projecting malice exacerbates polarization.<br />
On a deeper and personal level, polarization (especially the kind created by identity politics) results from identification with objects of perception.  Rabbi Ted Falcon suggests that perception (awareness itself) is a more appropriate center of identity. Moving to that center is done by meditating.</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2018 18:26:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s the usual thing with totalitarians.

Whether they are Islamist, or Leftist, the totalitarianism is what eventually comes out.

And their mantra is: &quot;Democracy is like a train. You ride it until you get where you want to be, then you hop off.&quot;

Now, being totalitarians, they are constantly confusing terms. &quot;Democracy&quot; is not what they are really talking about. They are talking about the American Experiment In Liberty, which is more properly termed &quot;Natural-Law-Based Constitutional Federal Democratic Republicanism.&quot;

(But, I suppose &quot;NLBCFDR&quot; doesn&#039;t have much of a ring to it.)

Anyway, the left today is finding out that &quot;Democracy,&quot; so-defined, isn&#039;t doing quite what they wanted, as fast as they wanted.

They think the train is rolling &quot;backwards,&quot; (by which they mean: away from 20th-century centralized authoritarianism coupled to sexual libertinism). So, naturally, they want to hop off, find a new ride.

But even if it were rolling &quot;forwards,&quot; they would want to hop off &lt;i&gt;eventually&lt;/i&gt;, just like Erdogan in Turkey. Elections got him &lt;i&gt;into&lt;/i&gt; office; now he&#039;s stacking the deck to make sure they can&#039;t remove him &lt;i&gt;from&lt;/i&gt; office. Democracy got him to his stop, then he hopped off.

All that loud support for &quot;Democracy&quot; (defined however), in the end, is pure sham. They don&#039;t want &quot;Democracy,&quot; whether American, Athenian, or otherwise.

No. What they most desire, at heart, is the power to &lt;i&gt;compel others&#039; behavior and minds&lt;/i&gt; to agree with whatever they happen to believe is just and true, today.

(It&#039;ll be different tomorrow. Tomorrow they&#039;ll compel everyone to believe some other damned thing.)

That is why they turn so quickly on persons who agree with them, but who refuse to use mental compulsion (propaganda) or physical compulsion (lawfare or legislation) against others. Mere agreement with the &quot;How Things Ought To Be&quot; propositions is not enough for the left; they also require you to be anxious to compel others.

Like I said: It&#039;s the usual thing with totalitarians.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s the usual thing with totalitarians.</p>
<p>Whether they are Islamist, or Leftist, the totalitarianism is what eventually comes out.</p>
<p>And their mantra is: &#8220;Democracy is like a train. You ride it until you get where you want to be, then you hop off.&#8221;</p>
<p>Now, being totalitarians, they are constantly confusing terms. &#8220;Democracy&#8221; is not what they are really talking about. They are talking about the American Experiment In Liberty, which is more properly termed &#8220;Natural-Law-Based Constitutional Federal Democratic Republicanism.&#8221;</p>
<p>(But, I suppose &#8220;NLBCFDR&#8221; doesn&#8217;t have much of a ring to it.)</p>
<p>Anyway, the left today is finding out that &#8220;Democracy,&#8221; so-defined, isn&#8217;t doing quite what they wanted, as fast as they wanted.</p>
<p>They think the train is rolling &#8220;backwards,&#8221; (by which they mean: away from 20th-century centralized authoritarianism coupled to sexual libertinism). So, naturally, they want to hop off, find a new ride.</p>
<p>But even if it were rolling &#8220;forwards,&#8221; they would want to hop off <i>eventually</i>, just like Erdogan in Turkey. Elections got him <i>into</i> office; now he&#8217;s stacking the deck to make sure they can&#8217;t remove him <i>from</i> office. Democracy got him to his stop, then he hopped off.</p>
<p>All that loud support for &#8220;Democracy&#8221; (defined however), in the end, is pure sham. They don&#8217;t want &#8220;Democracy,&#8221; whether American, Athenian, or otherwise.</p>
<p>No. What they most desire, at heart, is the power to <i>compel others&#8217; behavior and minds</i> to agree with whatever they happen to believe is just and true, today.</p>
<p>(It&#8217;ll be different tomorrow. Tomorrow they&#8217;ll compel everyone to believe some other damned thing.)</p>
<p>That is why they turn so quickly on persons who agree with them, but who refuse to use mental compulsion (propaganda) or physical compulsion (lawfare or legislation) against others. Mere agreement with the &#8220;How Things Ought To Be&#8221; propositions is not enough for the left; they also require you to be anxious to compel others.</p>
<p>Like I said: It&#8217;s the usual thing with totalitarians.</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2018 16:51:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Freedom of speech and religion, equal protection of the laws and protections against governmental deprivation of life, liberty or property are important, whether or not they are in the Constitution.&quot; -- Siedman December 2012

&quot;What I have come to see is that it’s a mistake to think of free speech as an effective means to accomplish a more just society.” -- Siedman July 2018

And this idiot &lt;i&gt;teaches&lt;/i&gt; Constitutional Law?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Freedom of speech and religion, equal protection of the laws and protections against governmental deprivation of life, liberty or property are important, whether or not they are in the Constitution.&#8221; &#8212; Siedman December 2012</p>
<p>&#8220;What I have come to see is that it’s a mistake to think of free speech as an effective means to accomplish a more just society.” &#8212; Siedman July 2018</p>
<p>And this idiot <i>teaches</i> Constitutional Law?</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2018 16:22:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The Left doesn&#039;t even like to see a sub community calling itself Flat Earthers, that had a recent convention in Raleigh South Carolina I think. And another one in Colorado soon enough.

There are also branches in Britain. This isn&#039;t the Flat Earth Society Hussein boy mentioned, but something that came out of the internet sub communities, similar to the Alt Right from PUA and Alpha Game and various other things (gaming).

So these people don&#039;t steal money from the public to fund themselves, unlike the Left&#039;s serial killer happy boys at Planned Profit. But they don&#039;t want to allow these people to do anything, because it is unsightly.

That is their version of free speech. You are only free to express yourself if the Left approves it. If the Sun God approves it, you can exist and be alive. Be grateful Slaves of America.

&lt;b&gt;UnArtfldgr Says: 
July 3rd, 2018 at 10:17 am&lt;/b&gt;

I don&#039;t know who that is whether it is Art or not, but the formatting is a nice touch. In other words, I must have changed world lines ala steins;gate.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Left doesn&#8217;t even like to see a sub community calling itself Flat Earthers, that had a recent convention in Raleigh South Carolina I think. And another one in Colorado soon enough.</p>
<p>There are also branches in Britain. This isn&#8217;t the Flat Earth Society Hussein boy mentioned, but something that came out of the internet sub communities, similar to the Alt Right from PUA and Alpha Game and various other things (gaming).</p>
<p>So these people don&#8217;t steal money from the public to fund themselves, unlike the Left&#8217;s serial killer happy boys at Planned Profit. But they don&#8217;t want to allow these people to do anything, because it is unsightly.</p>
<p>That is their version of free speech. You are only free to express yourself if the Left approves it. If the Sun God approves it, you can exist and be alive. Be grateful Slaves of America.</p>
<p><b>UnArtfldgr Says:<br />
July 3rd, 2018 at 10:17 am</b></p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know who that is whether it is Art or not, but the formatting is a nice touch. In other words, I must have changed world lines ala steins;gate.</p>
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