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		By: Uncivil war: plenty of people must think the Red Guards were a really nifty idea… – The New Neo &#8211; Wince and Nod		</title>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2018 07:07:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Just for closure, the Annapolis case seems to be a non-political personal vendetta.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just for closure, the Annapolis case seems to be a non-political personal vendetta.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2018 03:59:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Given this scenario, what do you think is likely to happen?&quot; - Snow on Pine

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2018/jun/28/capital-gazette-shooting-annapolis-latest-live-news-updates-today-maryland

We will have to see what they find out about the shooter and his motives, but it could just as easily be another Scalise case as not.  From either side.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Given this scenario, what do you think is likely to happen?&#8221; &#8211; Snow on Pine</p>
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<p>We will have to see what they find out about the shooter and his motives, but it could just as easily be another Scalise case as not.  From either side.</p>
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		By: Snow on Pine		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2018 16:27:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The Left always lectures us about how we should not regard people who aren’t like us as alien beings, as the “Other,” outside our &quot;Tribe,&quot; someone who can be ignored, who can be treated as shabbily as we want, who is to be feared, and to whom anything can be done because, by definition, they are strangers, alien, they are not “us.”

Well, labeling your political opponents as “Nazis” is about as successful an “otherization” as you can pull off.  

As Tucker Carlson pointed out on his show the other night, if you convince yourself that your opponents really are ”Nazis,” just like WWII Nazis, and thus outside the norms of the “civilized world,” are, in fact, dedicated to destroying that ”civilized world” all it’s norms and, ultimately--if they succeed--likely you and all you hold dear, well, then, any and all tactics you might use against them—no matter how violent—would be justified and acceptable.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Left always lectures us about how we should not regard people who aren’t like us as alien beings, as the “Other,” outside our &#8220;Tribe,&#8221; someone who can be ignored, who can be treated as shabbily as we want, who is to be feared, and to whom anything can be done because, by definition, they are strangers, alien, they are not “us.”</p>
<p>Well, labeling your political opponents as “Nazis” is about as successful an “otherization” as you can pull off.  </p>
<p>As Tucker Carlson pointed out on his show the other night, if you convince yourself that your opponents really are ”Nazis,” just like WWII Nazis, and thus outside the norms of the “civilized world,” are, in fact, dedicated to destroying that ”civilized world” all it’s norms and, ultimately&#8211;if they succeed&#8211;likely you and all you hold dear, well, then, any and all tactics you might use against them—no matter how violent—would be justified and acceptable.</p>
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		By: Snow on Pine		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2018 15:48:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[There are a lot of people predicting that the Left/Democrat’s calls for angry, in your face  confrontation of Trump’s cabinet and Administration members and Trump supporters will eventually lead to serious violence, as someone in Trump’s Administration or family circle, in Congress or, more likely, a much less well protected average government employee, Trump supporter or supporters will get seriously hurt or killed. 

Note, too, that this rising tide of calls for and actual political violence has been met with little if any attempt to tamp it down, and to identify and punish those responsible by our police/political/judicial “authorities.”   

Thus,  it looks like—unchecked—this incipient violence is going to just keep rolling along and building in intensity. 

(When the almost inevitable attack happens, you can be sure that the Democrats and their MSM will try to their best to minimize this violent incident, and to almost immediately shove it down the memory hole, a la the very deliberate attempted assassination, by a Bernie supporter, of several Republican Members of Congress that almost killed and severely injured Congressman Steve Scalese a year ago.)

Quite likely, after this ‘triggering” event, unchecked copycat political violence by the Left will get more and more common and widespread, eventually leading to a violent reaction by someone on the Right that will be played up by the Left and the MSM and—there you go—incipient Civil War.  

Unfortunately, I think that these predictions are all too plausible. 

Just stand back and think a minute:

We have politicians on the Left trying their best to divide our country—the “rub(bing) raw of the wounds of discontent”—the manipulation of people that Saul Alinsky saw as the way to seize and accumulate political power.  

We have massive influxes—one might well call it a slow motion invasion—by illegal aliens—many hundreds of thousands each year, most from Mexico, Central and South America, where political violence is very commonplace. 

Leftist politicians and activists deliberately trying to destroy the absolutely essential social cohesion of our country by re-instituting the ethnic, linguistic,  and cultural chauvinism and tribalism that our traditional “Iron Triangle” melting pot system of School-Church-Family used to dissolve, turning immigrants into Americans,

Leftists trying very successfully to pit each group—divided up by race, or sex or sexuality, or ethnicity, or culture, or state of residence or place of birth, or language, or religion, or income, or education, or political belief—against each other.

All this in a nation that is increasingly saturated with all the bad example normalization and incitements to violence you could want in violent movies, TV shows, video games, and other “entertainment” and now, increasingly, on the Internet.  

Added to this, we have hundreds of thousands of mentally ill street people—who used to be hospitalized—camped out on our streets and wandering around the country—and many millions more people strung out on drugs.

Along come prominent political figures, activists, commentators, and celebrities on the Left who say, it’s now OK to physically get in the face of, to harass, and try to intimidate and drive from the public square and society your political opponents and their supporters, people who those on the Left increasingly say are  &quot;outside the Pale,&quot; are &quot;Nazis.&quot;   

Given this scenario, what do you think is likely to happen?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are a lot of people predicting that the Left/Democrat’s calls for angry, in your face  confrontation of Trump’s cabinet and Administration members and Trump supporters will eventually lead to serious violence, as someone in Trump’s Administration or family circle, in Congress or, more likely, a much less well protected average government employee, Trump supporter or supporters will get seriously hurt or killed. </p>
<p>Note, too, that this rising tide of calls for and actual political violence has been met with little if any attempt to tamp it down, and to identify and punish those responsible by our police/political/judicial “authorities.”   </p>
<p>Thus,  it looks like—unchecked—this incipient violence is going to just keep rolling along and building in intensity. </p>
<p>(When the almost inevitable attack happens, you can be sure that the Democrats and their MSM will try to their best to minimize this violent incident, and to almost immediately shove it down the memory hole, a la the very deliberate attempted assassination, by a Bernie supporter, of several Republican Members of Congress that almost killed and severely injured Congressman Steve Scalese a year ago.)</p>
<p>Quite likely, after this ‘triggering” event, unchecked copycat political violence by the Left will get more and more common and widespread, eventually leading to a violent reaction by someone on the Right that will be played up by the Left and the MSM and—there you go—incipient Civil War.  </p>
<p>Unfortunately, I think that these predictions are all too plausible. </p>
<p>Just stand back and think a minute:</p>
<p>We have politicians on the Left trying their best to divide our country—the “rub(bing) raw of the wounds of discontent”—the manipulation of people that Saul Alinsky saw as the way to seize and accumulate political power.  </p>
<p>We have massive influxes—one might well call it a slow motion invasion—by illegal aliens—many hundreds of thousands each year, most from Mexico, Central and South America, where political violence is very commonplace. </p>
<p>Leftist politicians and activists deliberately trying to destroy the absolutely essential social cohesion of our country by re-instituting the ethnic, linguistic,  and cultural chauvinism and tribalism that our traditional “Iron Triangle” melting pot system of School-Church-Family used to dissolve, turning immigrants into Americans,</p>
<p>Leftists trying very successfully to pit each group—divided up by race, or sex or sexuality, or ethnicity, or culture, or state of residence or place of birth, or language, or religion, or income, or education, or political belief—against each other.</p>
<p>All this in a nation that is increasingly saturated with all the bad example normalization and incitements to violence you could want in violent movies, TV shows, video games, and other “entertainment” and now, increasingly, on the Internet.  </p>
<p>Added to this, we have hundreds of thousands of mentally ill street people—who used to be hospitalized—camped out on our streets and wandering around the country—and many millions more people strung out on drugs.</p>
<p>Along come prominent political figures, activists, commentators, and celebrities on the Left who say, it’s now OK to physically get in the face of, to harass, and try to intimidate and drive from the public square and society your political opponents and their supporters, people who those on the Left increasingly say are  &#8220;outside the Pale,&#8221; are &#8220;Nazis.&#8221;   </p>
<p>Given this scenario, what do you think is likely to happen?</p>
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		By: ymarsakar		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2018 15:40:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Aesop, read what Brigham Young and Joseph Smith wrote about the future war and South Carolina in the US.

See what I did there.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aesop, read what Brigham Young and Joseph Smith wrote about the future war and South Carolina in the US.</p>
<p>See what I did there.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AesopFan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2018 01:54:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thoughts on the coming hot civil war, from someone who knows what Leftist despotism really looks like.

https://accordingtohoyt.com/2018/06/27/strange-days/

&quot;Unfortunately this has created their isolation.  You see, every song, every movie, ever history book, every fictional book, assures them they’ll win.  They know that “the people united shall never be defeated.”  They also know that though held back by patriarchy, racism, sexism and all the micro aggressions, the people really are with them.  HAVE TO BE, because they’re ideology of the future, and history’s arrow points to their paradise.  Every book, movie, etc. says so either subtly or openly.  So they KNOW.  Everybody knows.

Only lately they’ve been suffering injuries to their world view.  It started with Trump’s election.  Or rather it didn’t, but that was the one strong enough to hit them in the face.  The rest hadn’t made it past the faith.

They’ve tried to deny it and invalidate it by every means possible.  The crazy Russia thing is more an attempt to restore their certainty and peace of mind than anything else.

But reality keeps hitting them in the face. 
...
They’re going insane.  It’s not just their dominance (and it is that too.  All the celebrities went all in for Hillary and they still failed.)  It’s their world view, their sanity, their certainties about the world they live in.  They’re sure there’s some clever and dirty trick being pulled that makes their stuff not work and the “stupid” non Marxist stuff work.  There has to be.  Otherwise they’d be wrong.
...
Now it looks like the two sides have had enough of talking and that “the blood on the streets” will be impossible to avoid.

Will our side win?  Possibly.  Even likely, given that we have most veterans with us.  Will it be a good thing?

At this point the world of Starship Troopers is a best case scenario after the confrontation.  And it wasn’t … precisely… a free world.  Stable sure, but not the same way we’ve enjoyed it the last hundred years or so.

The worst case scenario looks like all those things that the left keeps accusing us of being:a world in which what you can do, think and be is determined by your circumstances at birth.  A world in which the eccentric, the Odd, the creative is very hemmed in.  A world none of us wants.

And possibly the most likely one, since the people who will get at the head of the movement have a good chance of being types attracted to absolute power, and also, frankly, not only they but us (those who survive) will emerge on the other side of this will be — justifiably — suspicious of the left and every cause and group they championed and sanctified.  And we’ll be angry.  Really angry.  Blinding fury doesn’t begin to describe it.

In this moment of silence, before we all go over the trench and the shooting starts, there’s time to stop.  My inner sensors tell me the conflagration is somewhere between two months and a year away (it’s unlikely to happen in winter.  But it could surprise me.  My guess is if their blue wave fizzles, they’ll go truly, bizarrely insane.)

There’s still time to turn back, to re-examine assumptions, to realize that maybe they don’t have the mass of the people with them, and that this will end badly for everyone, but particularly for them.

But of course, I can’t reach them, and the ones who do skim this blog only do it till offended.

So, here we are.  It could go off any minute.  Do we have any real coffee left, not that chicory stuff?  And does anyone want a last cigarette?

I can hear the cannons in the distance.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thoughts on the coming hot civil war, from someone who knows what Leftist despotism really looks like.</p>
<p><a href="https://accordingtohoyt.com/2018/06/27/strange-days/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://accordingtohoyt.com/2018/06/27/strange-days/</a></p>
<p>&#8220;Unfortunately this has created their isolation.  You see, every song, every movie, ever history book, every fictional book, assures them they’ll win.  They know that “the people united shall never be defeated.”  They also know that though held back by patriarchy, racism, sexism and all the micro aggressions, the people really are with them.  HAVE TO BE, because they’re ideology of the future, and history’s arrow points to their paradise.  Every book, movie, etc. says so either subtly or openly.  So they KNOW.  Everybody knows.</p>
<p>Only lately they’ve been suffering injuries to their world view.  It started with Trump’s election.  Or rather it didn’t, but that was the one strong enough to hit them in the face.  The rest hadn’t made it past the faith.</p>
<p>They’ve tried to deny it and invalidate it by every means possible.  The crazy Russia thing is more an attempt to restore their certainty and peace of mind than anything else.</p>
<p>But reality keeps hitting them in the face.<br />
&#8230;<br />
They’re going insane.  It’s not just their dominance (and it is that too.  All the celebrities went all in for Hillary and they still failed.)  It’s their world view, their sanity, their certainties about the world they live in.  They’re sure there’s some clever and dirty trick being pulled that makes their stuff not work and the “stupid” non Marxist stuff work.  There has to be.  Otherwise they’d be wrong.<br />
&#8230;<br />
Now it looks like the two sides have had enough of talking and that “the blood on the streets” will be impossible to avoid.</p>
<p>Will our side win?  Possibly.  Even likely, given that we have most veterans with us.  Will it be a good thing?</p>
<p>At this point the world of Starship Troopers is a best case scenario after the confrontation.  And it wasn’t … precisely… a free world.  Stable sure, but not the same way we’ve enjoyed it the last hundred years or so.</p>
<p>The worst case scenario looks like all those things that the left keeps accusing us of being:a world in which what you can do, think and be is determined by your circumstances at birth.  A world in which the eccentric, the Odd, the creative is very hemmed in.  A world none of us wants.</p>
<p>And possibly the most likely one, since the people who will get at the head of the movement have a good chance of being types attracted to absolute power, and also, frankly, not only they but us (those who survive) will emerge on the other side of this will be — justifiably — suspicious of the left and every cause and group they championed and sanctified.  And we’ll be angry.  Really angry.  Blinding fury doesn’t begin to describe it.</p>
<p>In this moment of silence, before we all go over the trench and the shooting starts, there’s time to stop.  My inner sensors tell me the conflagration is somewhere between two months and a year away (it’s unlikely to happen in winter.  But it could surprise me.  My guess is if their blue wave fizzles, they’ll go truly, bizarrely insane.)</p>
<p>There’s still time to turn back, to re-examine assumptions, to realize that maybe they don’t have the mass of the people with them, and that this will end badly for everyone, but particularly for them.</p>
<p>But of course, I can’t reach them, and the ones who do skim this blog only do it till offended.</p>
<p>So, here we are.  It could go off any minute.  Do we have any real coffee left, not that chicory stuff?  And does anyone want a last cigarette?</p>
<p>I can hear the cannons in the distance.&#8221;</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2018 00:41:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[See the comment I just posted on the Kennedy thread.

The Civil War is already being fought in the Senate and the courts.

As for &quot;when&quot; the tipping point into full-out war might come, and the hope that it is a long way off still, this suggests that it already happened.

http://www.neoneocon.com/2018/06/27/justice-kennedy-those-retirement-rumors-turn-out-to-have-been-correct/#comment-2390585]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See the comment I just posted on the Kennedy thread.</p>
<p>The Civil War is already being fought in the Senate and the courts.</p>
<p>As for &#8220;when&#8221; the tipping point into full-out war might come, and the hope that it is a long way off still, this suggests that it already happened.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.neoneocon.com/2018/06/27/justice-kennedy-those-retirement-rumors-turn-out-to-have-been-correct/#comment-2390585" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.neoneocon.com/2018/06/27/justice-kennedy-those-retirement-rumors-turn-out-to-have-been-correct/#comment-2390585</a></p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AesopFan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2018 00:23:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;We always found a way to justify our power lust.&quot;

Indeed.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;We always found a way to justify our power lust.&#8221;</p>
<p>Indeed.</p>
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		By: The Other Chuck		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Other Chuck]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2018 22:16:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[DNW:

Shorter version of Horowitz: &lt;i&gt;We always found a way to justify our power lust.&lt;/i&gt;]]></description>
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<p>Shorter version of Horowitz: <i>We always found a way to justify our power lust.</i></p>
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