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	Comments on: Trump&#8217;s executive order on family separation	</title>
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		By: ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2018/06/20/trumps-executive-order-on-family-separation/#comment-2390845</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ymarsakar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jun 2018 02:37:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;Bill Lawrence Says: 
June 21st, 2018 at 7:33 pm&lt;/b&gt;

Heh. They obviously haven&#039;t met me, if they think Parker is that. Quite innocent and childish of them.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Bill Lawrence Says:<br />
June 21st, 2018 at 7:33 pm</b></p>
<p>Heh. They obviously haven&#8217;t met me, if they think Parker is that. Quite innocent and childish of them.</p>
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		By: Bill Lawrence		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2018/06/20/trumps-executive-order-on-family-separation/#comment-2390844</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bill Lawrence]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2018 23:33:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Glad to see Parker is still insane. “Sending Americans to their grave…” what hog wash.&quot;

Kate Steinle unavailable for comment...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Glad to see Parker is still insane. “Sending Americans to their grave…” what hog wash.&#8221;</p>
<p>Kate Steinle unavailable for comment&#8230;</p>
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		By: Ruth Brown		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2018/06/20/trumps-executive-order-on-family-separation/#comment-2390843</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ruth Brown]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2018 18:58:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I love your point E, Neo. From the EO, when, oh, when has this comment ever been brought up: &quot;under present resource constraints&quot;?

I am impressed with how restricted this EO is. That is how we stop the slippery slope.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love your point E, Neo. From the EO, when, oh, when has this comment ever been brought up: &#8220;under present resource constraints&#8221;?</p>
<p>I am impressed with how restricted this EO is. That is how we stop the slippery slope.</p>
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		By: David Aitken		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2018/06/20/trumps-executive-order-on-family-separation/#comment-2390842</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Aitken]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2018 17:50:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The EO definition for &quot;alien child&quot; is someone who is under the age of 18 and  &quot;(iii) has a legal parent-child relationship to an alien who entered the United States with the alien child at or between designated ports of entry and who was detained.&quot; So I&#039;m guessing that a fairly high percentage of the &quot;children&quot; detained are not going to meet this definition and will fall under the old rules.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The EO definition for &#8220;alien child&#8221; is someone who is under the age of 18 and  &#8220;(iii) has a legal parent-child relationship to an alien who entered the United States with the alien child at or between designated ports of entry and who was detained.&#8221; So I&#8217;m guessing that a fairly high percentage of the &#8220;children&#8221; detained are not going to meet this definition and will fall under the old rules.</p>
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		By: Chuck		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2018/06/20/trumps-executive-order-on-family-separation/#comment-2390841</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chuck]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2018 16:51:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&#062; Except that’s not what they were doing- they were doing it to be cruel as a deterrent. Even when they knew they were family. It’s absolutely abhorrent.

They -- including the Obama administration -- were doing it on account of the Flores settlement entered into by the Obama administration.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; Except that’s not what they were doing- they were doing it to be cruel as a deterrent. Even when they knew they were family. It’s absolutely abhorrent.</p>
<p>They &#8212; including the Obama administration &#8212; were doing it on account of the Flores settlement entered into by the Obama administration.</p>
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		By: Jamie		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jamie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2018 16:04:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ann, I&#039;d like to address the issue of incentives, as others have done here. Can we generally agree that rewarding a type of behavior tends to cause people to exhibit it more often? (And punishing, less of it?) I hope we have at least this much common ground - otherwise we will disagree about education (grades and their equivalent are a reward intended not only to show a student where she stands, but to encourage her to do her best), law as a principle (fines and the threat of imprisonment are intended to incentivize people to behave in pro-social ways), any science that studies and seeks to influence animal or human behavior...

So. If we have this belief in common that incentives have at least some effect, can we also agree that creating perverse incentives is something to be avoided? And then, can we agree that it can be very hard to avoid creating such perverse incentives, especially when the situation activates our human compassion (which both sides of the political aisle possess; no matter how left you are - a question I don&#039;t know the answer to - surely you personally know at least one person as far to the right, and God willing, that person is not a monster - though of course those also exist on both sides)? In those cases, it&#039;s tempting to act on the basis of that compassion and then step away, ignoring the effects of any perverse incentives thus created by a lack of, or inaccurate, analysis. But that approach is irresponsible.

If we&#039;ve gotten this far with some degree of agreement, I most sincerely hope that, no matter what you feel compelled to say here, somewhere in your mind you can admit that this question of illegal immigration and how to handle it is a sticky wicket, particularly with regard to how to &quot;process&quot; families (taking for the moment the optimistic view that all these multi-age groupings are families with no intent but to escape bad conditions at home). Conditions are bad in many, many places around the world; global communications now give people in those places unprecedented amounts of information about how much better things are in the US, and global transportation (including long distance shipping, trucking, and even just paved roads) make the movement of people easier than ever before, such that even a family with several children might believe that the benefit to be gained outweighs the danger of life on the move. It&#039;s patent that we can&#039;t absorb ALL the tired, poor, huddled masses that there are. So we must have limits, some sort of screening, and processes for dealing with those who reach our borders. 

We differ on what those structures should be. But if we also share a belief that the US is a place worth coming to (else why would so many want to?) shouldn&#039;t Congressional Democrats be trying to solve the problem too, giving hard thought to avoiding perverse incentives, instead of just crying about how mean Congressional Republicans and the President are? This is why we on the right are so cynical about the tears being shed.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ann, I&#8217;d like to address the issue of incentives, as others have done here. Can we generally agree that rewarding a type of behavior tends to cause people to exhibit it more often? (And punishing, less of it?) I hope we have at least this much common ground &#8211; otherwise we will disagree about education (grades and their equivalent are a reward intended not only to show a student where she stands, but to encourage her to do her best), law as a principle (fines and the threat of imprisonment are intended to incentivize people to behave in pro-social ways), any science that studies and seeks to influence animal or human behavior&#8230;</p>
<p>So. If we have this belief in common that incentives have at least some effect, can we also agree that creating perverse incentives is something to be avoided? And then, can we agree that it can be very hard to avoid creating such perverse incentives, especially when the situation activates our human compassion (which both sides of the political aisle possess; no matter how left you are &#8211; a question I don&#8217;t know the answer to &#8211; surely you personally know at least one person as far to the right, and God willing, that person is not a monster &#8211; though of course those also exist on both sides)? In those cases, it&#8217;s tempting to act on the basis of that compassion and then step away, ignoring the effects of any perverse incentives thus created by a lack of, or inaccurate, analysis. But that approach is irresponsible.</p>
<p>If we&#8217;ve gotten this far with some degree of agreement, I most sincerely hope that, no matter what you feel compelled to say here, somewhere in your mind you can admit that this question of illegal immigration and how to handle it is a sticky wicket, particularly with regard to how to &#8220;process&#8221; families (taking for the moment the optimistic view that all these multi-age groupings are families with no intent but to escape bad conditions at home). Conditions are bad in many, many places around the world; global communications now give people in those places unprecedented amounts of information about how much better things are in the US, and global transportation (including long distance shipping, trucking, and even just paved roads) make the movement of people easier than ever before, such that even a family with several children might believe that the benefit to be gained outweighs the danger of life on the move. It&#8217;s patent that we can&#8217;t absorb ALL the tired, poor, huddled masses that there are. So we must have limits, some sort of screening, and processes for dealing with those who reach our borders. </p>
<p>We differ on what those structures should be. But if we also share a belief that the US is a place worth coming to (else why would so many want to?) shouldn&#8217;t Congressional Democrats be trying to solve the problem too, giving hard thought to avoiding perverse incentives, instead of just crying about how mean Congressional Republicans and the President are? This is why we on the right are so cynical about the tears being shed.</p>
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		By: parker		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[parker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2018 07:58:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Dear holmes,

I think you are still reading responses and seeking sympathy. Just to thrust the blade in a few millimeters deeper and vigourously twist, I remain relentless. Neo, and others, can be a bit &#039;soft&#039;. So can I when warranted. 

Perhaps it may be our paths will cross when it all comes down to dust, rest assured I will give you one sip of water. But one sip only.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear holmes,</p>
<p>I think you are still reading responses and seeking sympathy. Just to thrust the blade in a few millimeters deeper and vigourously twist, I remain relentless. Neo, and others, can be a bit &#8216;soft&#8217;. So can I when warranted. </p>
<p>Perhaps it may be our paths will cross when it all comes down to dust, rest assured I will give you one sip of water. But one sip only.</p>
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		By: Dave		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2018/06/20/trumps-executive-order-on-family-separation/#comment-2390837</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dave]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2018 06:27:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Were the children old enough to give consent to parents to smuggle them away from their birth places to a foreign country they have no right to be in?  knowingly forcing a kid to live a life as illegal immigrant in a foreign country not to mention the torturous journey kids were subjected to to enter this country constitutes child abuse to me, separating innocent victims from abusive parents before everything gets sorted out is the right thing to do.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Were the children old enough to give consent to parents to smuggle them away from their birth places to a foreign country they have no right to be in?  knowingly forcing a kid to live a life as illegal immigrant in a foreign country not to mention the torturous journey kids were subjected to to enter this country constitutes child abuse to me, separating innocent victims from abusive parents before everything gets sorted out is the right thing to do.</p>
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		By: Tim Turner		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2018/06/20/trumps-executive-order-on-family-separation/#comment-2390836</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tim Turner]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2018 06:24:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Holmes, if you&#039;ve really changed, surely you must be tolerant of people who thought as you once did.  A lesson for us all, in line with Neo&#039;s story of changing beliefs.

How would the current you judge the you of yesterday?  Would you talk to yourself the way you talk to others sharing their belief today?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Holmes, if you&#8217;ve really changed, surely you must be tolerant of people who thought as you once did.  A lesson for us all, in line with Neo&#8217;s story of changing beliefs.</p>
<p>How would the current you judge the you of yesterday?  Would you talk to yourself the way you talk to others sharing their belief today?</p>
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		By: FOAF		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2018/06/20/trumps-executive-order-on-family-separation/#comment-2390835</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[FOAF]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2018 06:17:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;I recommend not listening to the tone and emphasis of the MSM coverage. &quot;

I&quot;m way ahead of you, AF, I&#039;ve been doing that for years :^).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I recommend not listening to the tone and emphasis of the MSM coverage. &#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8221;m way ahead of you, AF, I&#8217;ve been doing that for years :^).</p>
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