it is just human crabs pulling each other down because they can’t lift themselves up.

To Marian B, psychologists and psychiatrists usually have a second observer looking over their behavior to tell them when they are going off the rails (from listening to people with problems, can result in integrating those problems). I am not merely assessing Jordan P’s life time, but his organization’s second generation progress. Usually a guru will come and while he is alive, everything runs well. When he dies and the second generation takes over, then it goes to hell.

Martin Luther died and Jackson/Sharpton took over as the heirs. Alexander the great produced a bunch of fractured generals fighting over each other and killing his heir.

You reminded me of a quote from Robert Hughes’ The Shock of the New from the 1970s-1980s (I’m paraphrasing from memory here):

It is now more important to have seen Michelangelo’s David than to see it.”

This is the same observation. We are dealing with a problem that is not new, but endemic to our modern times (again credentialed but not educated) but which is now amplified by the bullhorn of the twitterverse and the internet.

Here are two cases where the virtue-weighting is totally unbalanced, in that negatives in the past (in the view of the Left) totally cancel out any positives.

I can understand attacking Toby Young, who threatens their control over education (aka indoctrination) of children, but what do they have against Einstein?

Maybe it has something to do with the multiverse thing, because we all know that the Left dwells not in the same universe as the Sane.

What intrigues me most is that both of these authors reach pretty much the same conclusion about the neediness of the people pushing the attacks.

http://thefederalist.com/2018/06/19/calling-einstein-racist-perfect-cant-compete-accomplishments/

[Knights of Akshully is a word-play on the frequent use of claims like “Actually, George Washington and Thomas Jefferson owned slaves.” “Actually, Abraham Lincoln was racist.” ]

“Their goal is not to eliminate injustice. If it were, they’d spend their time fighting against the slavery, oppression, and racism that still run rampant in the world instead of attacking historical figures who were increasingly less guilty of perpetuating slavery, oppression, and racism.

Likewise, it’s hard to believe they’re seeking a genuine debate about how much a man’s moral failings ought to affect his legacy, since the answer is always the same: “Terminate with extreme prejudice the one with extreme (or modest) prejudice.” Rather, it seems the Knights of Akshully’s goal is to devise an ethical system that gives them bragging rights over the far more accomplished figures of history.

Self-righteousness, jealousy, and laziness is a bad combination, but it’s an increasingly popular one. It’s the official cocktail of those who want the favor of God and the world and are envious of those who appear to possess it, but are unwilling to do any real work to merit what others have. So, to gain righteousness without breaking a sweat, the Knights of Akshully have developed an ethical system rigged in their favor.

“If you hold very progressive views on race, that alone makes you righteous and you don’t need to do anything else,” the Knights of Akshully insist. “Likewise, if you don’t hold progressive views on race, you are unrighteous and nothing else you do matters. Ever so conveniently, we hold very progressive views on race, so, actually, we’re more righteous than all the great figures of history who didn’t, despite the fact that we’ve never done anything that warrants mentioning in a history book.” ”

https://www.nationalreview.com/magazine/2018/05/28/toby-young-comments-pc-mob-smears/

“In today’s world, actually doing things to aid the disadvantaged counts less than making dumb jokes. If you’ve done the latter, you’re no longer allowed to do the former. As Young puts it, “Virtue-signaling is more important than being virtuous.” “

JP talks with several people whose job it is to help him keep his head out of his nether regions. I trust they will help return him to his true path if he begins to stray.

I use my own personal customized methodology of triangulation: 3 sources that are independent, not reliant on each other, that confirms the validity and accuracy of each other source.

i didn’t realize until a few years ago that someone else had already come up with a similar system: The Bible’s 10 Commandments concerning number of witnesses.

Two independent witnesses were required to determine the guilt/innocence of people under Law, Divine or human. Of course the system can be gamed by creating false witnesses and testimonies.

I won’t listen to just one source. I’ll hear them and put it on the backburner, one of my reserve logical cores, for a later day. Sometimes it is years later that I find a secondary source that validates it. Then I can accept it as true. The accuracy rate of this process is about 100% give or take my own personal human flaws.

I almost never have needed a THIRD source however. That might take decades and centuries.

With computer software, it isn’t necessary to become fluent in Ancient Greek or Hebrew. In fact, translation is easier without certain language misconceptions. For example, Shakespeare’s Old English sounds and even looks, some spellings, like American or British English. But people kind of know after reading a few lines that they aren’t even talking about the same thing anymore. Different culture, different political system, etc.

To give an example, I learned to recognize much of spoken Japanese just by listening to it. Sometimes a word I thought I understood, would be used in an uncommon context and then I would realize that my perception was misconstrued and lacking the “Japanese cultural” context. The word x is translated as “forgive” 95% of the time into English, but the other connotations it had was “allow”, “permit”, and “tolerate”.

In English, idiomatic expressions have certain similar pitfalls. Why did Ford make a lemon? To someone that does not understand the context of which the word lemon is used, they might think Ford was making fruits. A lemon is normally not translated as “car”. Thus a minor misconception in the textual context and lack of knowledge about modern American culture, would lead to a translation issue.

The same problems exist with the Hebrew concept of “chasid”. How do we even know what they used it as? The most we can do is reverse engineer it from the text itself, but if we misunderstood any of the textual context, we would get the concept itself wrong. So when that context was translated into Greek in the New Testament, the word humans used at the time was “agape”, the Greek conception of intellectual love and respect, instead of bodily lust or brotherhood etc. It is why Jesus said “those that follow him should hate their mother and father”. Mistranslation!

I don’t want to look up what people thought hate meant back then, but the original context was something slightly different.

In order to re translate anything, one needs to have a system that knows the vocabulary and grammar. We have websites now for that. The person, though, still needs to think in ideally two parallel paths: English and the other language core. That way they can parallel think in two different languages at the same time and compare whether the concepts match the context and denotation/connotation definitions. Then, we can begin parsing out the “grammar” and writing style. Some people do it the reverse, which is fine. Isaiah has a certain “style” to it which does inform how one reads his wording.

It is much easier to be able to parallel process languages 3 at a time, 4 at a time, and 8 at a time. That is because each additional core allows you to run your own operating system independent of the cultural and modern misconceptions, allowing the possibility of the true definition of the wording to be exposed. I usually run 2 language cores at the same time, and sometimes 3 or 4 now. It helps to cross reference the meanings by comparing it to relevant practices and usage in other cultures as well. Hebrew to Greek was not merely a language issue, it was a philosophical and cultural issue as well.

Much of what we read and study about in what is called the Protestant Bible, is missing the cultural context clues of the ancients. It is like reading Shakespeare thinking the writer was a Roman centurion writing about Caesar. Oops, not the right timeline or culture, there.

and my few experiments learning Hebrew didn’t get far!

it is easier for me to read Hebrew since Japanese also writes from Right to Left. Although reading Hebrew isn’t necessary all the time, just at certain times when I read the English and it makes no sense. That’s usually a sign of a mistranslation or some other related issue. The real problem is reading Hebrew letters and then reading the English translation below. It’s one thing to read two language lines at the same time that writes from Left to Right, quite another thing when the top line must be read Right to Left and the bottom Line reads Left to Right but the sentence structures goes backwards…

I think it’s tragic that half the population can quote the hilarious Solipsism McNuggets of pseudo-wisdom that George Lucas put in the mouth of Yoda (“do, or do not; there is no try”); while probably only 1-in-20 university students can even recognize the 23rd Psalm, let alone say it from memory!

Hah, that reminds me of something. Somebody went to the boonies of Africa where they didn’t have electricity and asked them if they Knew what the Force and Star Wars was. They did. When asked if they knew about this book called the Bible… nope. It may not have been the Bible but some other spiritual work.

I was mainly trying to convey an openness Sacral English, and reference an earlier time when vastly more people could recognize a quote from the Bible as such.

Some things in the Western canon has been left alone because universities don’t want to deal with it. For example, Caves of Qumran validates the First Book of Enoch. Enoch was read as scripture during the New Testament, but was later removed from the biblical canon by Ecumenical Councils and the Roman bureaucracy.

Even well read Westerners have lost a significant amount of classical readings, whether because they don’t understand Socrates’ or Plato’s Greek or their English translations, or somebody just decided that we shouldn’t need to read 1st Enoch and the other texts that was available. A literary generation like ours that have access to the internet, but we have not read even half of the things the Apostles in primitive World Era with no electricity had read? Ridiculous.

I would be satisfied if people read the original work in the original language. I wouldn’t even have a bias towards one religion or philosophy vs another. The Indian scriptures, the Sumerian histories, the Koran, read it in some other language and the benefit will be enormous. That’s how Westerners got smart to begin with, they forced themselves to become Renaissance by reading new languages, teachings themselves new skills, and so on. We have lost much of that with the public education system.

Just memorize this Greek Latin Grammar and vocabulary, and we will pass you. Hah, as if that actually makes people think in a language core. How about people study a puzzle written in English and then think of it from the Greek perspective, and then do it at the same time to solve the puzzle from both directions. How about people do what I do and read English and think in English, while listening to Japanese audio talking about the same or more complicated different topic. Humans don’t need to be limited by the Western concept of “liberal arts education”. It is why so many prodigies burn out when being educated by these so called smart people.

Marian Booker Says:
June 19th, 2018 at 1:17 pm
ymarsakar may feel better about the personality cult question after reading Peterson’s answer to that question.

The phenomenon I am thinking of was probably closer to the logical fallacy by believing in Authorities. That is part of a cult issue, but people can have problems without being bound by a human organization. Which is to mean, Hollywood’s problem is with their Authorities and their faith in them, not because they joined Scientology or Demoncracy or some other group that may or may not be a cult.

The problem is in the weakness of the person in finding credible Authorities to tell them what to do. As Aesop and others mentioned, this is on one hand rational, as a way to save time, but it can lead to very irrational results. The More J P is sucked into the demand, the more he will have to conform to a system that is cult orientated, simply because of the Sheer Demand. But of course, the same may be said of Hollywood celebrities and authors.

This is not his personal problem nor is it particularly a political problem. It’s just a human nature problem that can’t be gotten rid of. It can be ameliorated by rationalizations or rationality or planning, but that is not guaranteed. The FBi and the Park Rangers were our gods and servants and protectors… until people stopped believing in their Authorities.

Thanks for following the link. I think those who are on the fence or perhaps anti-Peterson probably haven’t impacted a person’s life so positively in so few words, ever.

So, there’s that.