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		By: ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2018/06/15/the-lawyerly-conclusions-of-the-ig-report/#comment-2389485</link>

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					<description><![CDATA[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BplUD6kQYuU

To Aesop and others interested in the Deep State:

I think it is time, as people are ready for it.

Be prepared to see things outside this &quot;box&quot;.]]></description>
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<p>To Aesop and others interested in the Deep State:</p>
<p>I think it is time, as people are ready for it.</p>
<p>Be prepared to see things outside this &#8220;box&#8221;.</p>
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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jun 2018 18:42:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Manju:

You&#039;re not succeeding, but for some reason you keep trying.

Waste of time, as I said.

But if anyone wants to read things that aren&#039;t a waste of time, I suggest &lt;a href=&quot;http://thefederalist.com/2018/06/15/11-quick-things-know-inspector-generals-report/#disqus_thread
&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;https://amgreatness.com/2018/06/15/tying-hillarys-emails-to-the-russian-collusion-probe/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/byron-york-political-bias-infected-fbi-trump-clinton-investigations
&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt;, and especially &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/06/ig-report-fbi-no-bias-conclusion-may-not-supported/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt;.

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Manju:</p>
<p>You&#8217;re not succeeding, but for some reason you keep trying.</p>
<p>Waste of time, as I said.</p>
<p>But if anyone wants to read things that aren&#8217;t a waste of time, I suggest <a href="http://thefederalist.com/2018/06/15/11-quick-things-know-inspector-generals-report/#disqus_thread
">this</a>, <a href="https://amgreatness.com/2018/06/15/tying-hillarys-emails-to-the-russian-collusion-probe/" rel="nofollow">this</a>, <a href="https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/byron-york-political-bias-infected-fbi-trump-clinton-investigations
">this</a>, and especially <a href="https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/06/ig-report-fbi-no-bias-conclusion-may-not-supported/" rel="nofollow">this</a>.</p>
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		By: Manju		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Manju]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jun 2018 11:36:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Re: “seemingly insane conclusions of the IG report.”

Search “extraordinary” within the IG report. You will see that irregularities indicating Right-wing bias are the only ones described as such. They are much more serious than the others. I think this will square things for you.

These instances are:

1. Comey’s Decision Not to Tell DOJ about his plans to make announce the conclusion of the investigation. Page 241:

&lt;blockquote&gt;We found that it was extraordinary and insubordinate for Comey to conceal his intentions from his superiors, the Attorney General and Deputy Attorney General, for the admitted purpose of preventing them from telling him not to make the statement, and to instruct his subordinates in the FBI to do the same. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

2. Comey’s decision to send a letter announcing the re-opeing of the Clinton investigation during an election year. Page 372:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Rather, the burden was on him to justify an extraordinary departure from these established norms, policies, and precedent. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

3. Comey’s decision not to inform  DOJ about above action. Page 377:

&lt;blockquote&gt;We acknowledge that Comey, Lynch, and Yates faced difficult choices in late October 2016. However, we found it extraordinary that Comey assessed that it was best that the FBI Director not speak directly with the Attorney General and Deputy Attorney General about how to best navigate this most important decision and mitigate the resulting harms, and that Comey’s decision resulted in the Attorney General and Deputy Attorney General concluding that it would be counterproductive to speak directly with the FBI Director. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

These 3 instances are by far the most serious, with #2 arguably swinging a close election in a direction that hurt Clinton. All 3 indicate a Right-wing bias in an agency known for being such.

You might disagree.  But the point is not that the IG is right in his assessment of which irregularity is extraordinary and which is not. It&#039;s jsut that once you accept his assessment, his conclusions make perfect sense.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: “seemingly insane conclusions of the IG report.”</p>
<p>Search “extraordinary” within the IG report. You will see that irregularities indicating Right-wing bias are the only ones described as such. They are much more serious than the others. I think this will square things for you.</p>
<p>These instances are:</p>
<p>1. Comey’s Decision Not to Tell DOJ about his plans to make announce the conclusion of the investigation. Page 241:</p>
<blockquote><p>We found that it was extraordinary and insubordinate for Comey to conceal his intentions from his superiors, the Attorney General and Deputy Attorney General, for the admitted purpose of preventing them from telling him not to make the statement, and to instruct his subordinates in the FBI to do the same. </p></blockquote>
<p>2. Comey’s decision to send a letter announcing the re-opeing of the Clinton investigation during an election year. Page 372:</p>
<blockquote><p>Rather, the burden was on him to justify an extraordinary departure from these established norms, policies, and precedent. </p></blockquote>
<p>3. Comey’s decision not to inform  DOJ about above action. Page 377:</p>
<blockquote><p>We acknowledge that Comey, Lynch, and Yates faced difficult choices in late October 2016. However, we found it extraordinary that Comey assessed that it was best that the FBI Director not speak directly with the Attorney General and Deputy Attorney General about how to best navigate this most important decision and mitigate the resulting harms, and that Comey’s decision resulted in the Attorney General and Deputy Attorney General concluding that it would be counterproductive to speak directly with the FBI Director. </p></blockquote>
<p>These 3 instances are by far the most serious, with #2 arguably swinging a close election in a direction that hurt Clinton. All 3 indicate a Right-wing bias in an agency known for being such.</p>
<p>You might disagree.  But the point is not that the IG is right in his assessment of which irregularity is extraordinary and which is not. It&#8217;s jsut that once you accept his assessment, his conclusions make perfect sense.</p>
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		By: Matthew M		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Matthew M]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jun 2018 01:42:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I think Geoffrey Britain&#039;s comment above hits the nail on the head.

If the inspector general won&#039;t connect the dots, who will?  Government officials abused their positions.  If they are not punished because no one in the swamp wants to admit the truth (or stop abusing power), then at least the abuse needs to abate.  Cock roaches have enough decorum to scatter when the light comes on.  Why can&#039;t the swamp dwellers in Washington give a new president his honeymoon period and go back to dragging their feet after a decent interval?

The self-appointed aristocrats&#039; gravy train is not going to be sustainable with the amount of cynicism they are causing among the people. We really are seeing democracy being disrespected by the people who are supposed to be defending it.  It will be disastrous if confidence in the rule of law is eroded.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Geoffrey Britain&#8217;s comment above hits the nail on the head.</p>
<p>If the inspector general won&#8217;t connect the dots, who will?  Government officials abused their positions.  If they are not punished because no one in the swamp wants to admit the truth (or stop abusing power), then at least the abuse needs to abate.  Cock roaches have enough decorum to scatter when the light comes on.  Why can&#8217;t the swamp dwellers in Washington give a new president his honeymoon period and go back to dragging their feet after a decent interval?</p>
<p>The self-appointed aristocrats&#8217; gravy train is not going to be sustainable with the amount of cynicism they are causing among the people. We really are seeing democracy being disrespected by the people who are supposed to be defending it.  It will be disastrous if confidence in the rule of law is eroded.</p>
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		By: Ann		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ann]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jun 2018 00:03:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Don&#039;t know if Jake Tapper has said this on TV, but &lt;a href=&quot;https://twitter.com/jaketapper/status/1007637116610859008&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt; is maybe a sign that the &quot;no bias found&quot; meme won&#039;t completely take hold:&lt;blockquote&gt;@jaketapper: Jake Tapper Retweeted Laura Jarrett -- Laura is 100% correct. Anyone reporting that the IG report clears the FBI of any accusations of political bias are ignoring the post-July 2016 section where the Weiner laptop emerges.

@LauraAJarrett: Here&#039;s the problem - it&#039;s messy. While the IG found no evidence that bias affected the *specific* investigative actions reviewed pre-July 2016, he *does not* have confidence that the delay in reviewing the Weiner laptop emails was &quot;free from bias.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;Jarrett is also at CNN.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t know if Jake Tapper has said this on TV, but <a href="https://twitter.com/jaketapper/status/1007637116610859008" rel="nofollow">this</a> is maybe a sign that the &#8220;no bias found&#8221; meme won&#8217;t completely take hold:</p>
<blockquote><p>@jaketapper: Jake Tapper Retweeted Laura Jarrett &#8212; Laura is 100% correct. Anyone reporting that the IG report clears the FBI of any accusations of political bias are ignoring the post-July 2016 section where the Weiner laptop emerges.</p>
<p>@LauraAJarrett: Here&#8217;s the problem &#8211; it&#8217;s messy. While the IG found no evidence that bias affected the *specific* investigative actions reviewed pre-July 2016, he *does not* have confidence that the delay in reviewing the Weiner laptop emails was &#8220;free from bias.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Jarrett is also at CNN.</p>
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		By: Dale Richardson		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dale Richardson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2018 23:15:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[He could have at least pulled a Comey and said there was nothing prosecutable, but the FBI engaged in really, really bad and very dangerous behavior.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He could have at least pulled a Comey and said there was nothing prosecutable, but the FBI engaged in really, really bad and very dangerous behavior.</p>
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		By: parker		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[parker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2018 22:30:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Delilah,

Don&#039;t get furious, learn to reload.

GB,

&quot;Constitutional goverance&quot; is dead in the water. This was the last straw to break the back.. Act accordingly. First we take DC, then we take Berlin.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Delilah,</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t get furious, learn to reload.</p>
<p>GB,</p>
<p>&#8220;Constitutional goverance&#8221; is dead in the water. This was the last straw to break the back.. Act accordingly. First we take DC, then we take Berlin.</p>
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		By: Delilah		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Delilah]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2018 22:16:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[And the bias clearly influenced their (illegal) actions, such as drating the exoneration memo before concluding the investigation, the farce of Hillary&#039;s questioning -- they even talk about it.
It is making me furious.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And the bias clearly influenced their (illegal) actions, such as drating the exoneration memo before concluding the investigation, the farce of Hillary&#8217;s questioning &#8212; they even talk about it.<br />
It is making me furious.</p>
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		By: Delilah		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Delilah]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2018 22:04:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[There WAS plenty of documentary evidence.  What do you think all those texts and emails are.  They are USG records/documents and they copiously and clearly show the bias.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There WAS plenty of documentary evidence.  What do you think all those texts and emails are.  They are USG records/documents and they copiously and clearly show the bias.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AesopFan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2018 21:43:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;one with which many people have trouble being sympathetic to because it is so lawyerly and seemingly nitpicky.  ...So, what is the remedy for this sort of egregious bias within an agency–and I have no trouble believing it’s rampant, and not just in the FBI and DOJ? &quot;
* * *
The most immediate reply to the nitpicky charge is from Dickens 

&quot;The law is a ass – a idiot. If that’s the eye of the law, the law is a bachelor; and the worst I wish the law is, that his eye may be opened by experience – by experience.&quot; (Oliver Twist, Chapter 51).

It is often attributed to Shakespeare -- most often to Dogberry I think, as it seems appropriate to a scene that comes right out of the current news.

http://www.bartleby.com/70/1642.html

  Sexton.  Master constable, you go not the way to examine: you must call forth the watch that are their accusers.	   
  Dogb.  Yea, marry, that’s the eftest way. Let the watch come forth. Masters, I charge you, in the prince’s name, accuse these men.	
  First Watch.  This man said, sir, that Don John, the prince’s brother, was a villain.	
  Dogb.  Write down Prince John a villain. Why, this is flat perjury, to call a prince’s brother villain.
...
  Con.  Off, coxcomb!	
  Dogb.  God’s my life! where’s the sexton? let him write down the prince’s officer coxcomb. Come, bind them. Thou naughty varlet!	
  Con.  Away! you are an ass; you are an ass.
 
* * *
And it may yet come to this, if no remedy of any kind is even attempted:

The first thing we do, &lt;b&gt;let&#039;s kill all the lawyers.&lt;/b&gt;
(2 Henry VI, 4.2.59), Dick the Butcher to Jack Cade

* * *
The Bard often references both lawlessness and irrational lawfulness, and thus we see that history does indeed rhyme with its prior stanzas.

http://www.shakespeare-online.com/quotes/shakespearelawyers.html

Between two hawks, which flies the higher pitch;
Between two dogs, which hath the deeper mouth;
Between two blades, which bears the better temper: 
Between two horses, which doth bear him best; 
Between two girls, which hath the merriest eye; 
I have perhaps some shallow spirit of judgement;
&lt;b&gt;But in these nice sharp quillets of the law,&lt;/b&gt;
Good faith, I am no wiser than a daw.
(2 Henry VI, 2.4.17), Warwick to Lords

&lt;b&gt;When law can do no right,
Let it be lawful that law bar no wrong:&lt;/b&gt;
Law cannot give my child his kingdom here,
For he that holds his kingdom holds the law.
(King John, 3.1.189), Constance to Cardinal Pandulph

&lt;b&gt;We have strict statutes and most biting laws. 
The needful bits and curbs to headstrong weeds,
Which for this nineteen years we have let slip; &lt;/b&gt;
Even like an o&#039;ergrown lion in a cave, 
That goes not out to prey.
(Measure for Measure, 1.3.21), Duke Vincentio

&lt;b&gt;The jury, passing on the prisoner&#039;s life, 
May in the sworn twelve have a thief or two
Guiltier than him they try. &lt;/b&gt;What&#039;s open made to justice, 
That justice seizes: what know the laws 
That thieves do pass on thieves? &#039;
(Measure for Measure, 2.1.19), Angelo to Escalus

&lt;b&gt;I will make a Star Chamber matter of it.&lt;/b&gt;
(The Merry Wives of Windsor, 1.1.1), Shallow to Slender

&lt;b&gt;A friend of mine, who, in hot blood,
Hath stepp&#039;d into the law, &lt;/b&gt;which is past depth
To those that, without heed, do plunge into &#039;t.
(Timon of Athens, 3.5.12), Alcibiades

(seems apposite for many of Trump&#039;s supporters caught in the net spread for him)


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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;one with which many people have trouble being sympathetic to because it is so lawyerly and seemingly nitpicky.  &#8230;So, what is the remedy for this sort of egregious bias within an agency–and I have no trouble believing it’s rampant, and not just in the FBI and DOJ? &#8221;<br />
* * *<br />
The most immediate reply to the nitpicky charge is from Dickens </p>
<p>&#8220;The law is a ass – a idiot. If that’s the eye of the law, the law is a bachelor; and the worst I wish the law is, that his eye may be opened by experience – by experience.&#8221; (Oliver Twist, Chapter 51).</p>
<p>It is often attributed to Shakespeare &#8212; most often to Dogberry I think, as it seems appropriate to a scene that comes right out of the current news.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.bartleby.com/70/1642.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.bartleby.com/70/1642.html</a></p>
<p>  Sexton.  Master constable, you go not the way to examine: you must call forth the watch that are their accusers.<br />
  Dogb.  Yea, marry, that’s the eftest way. Let the watch come forth. Masters, I charge you, in the prince’s name, accuse these men.<br />
  First Watch.  This man said, sir, that Don John, the prince’s brother, was a villain.<br />
  Dogb.  Write down Prince John a villain. Why, this is flat perjury, to call a prince’s brother villain.<br />
&#8230;<br />
  Con.  Off, coxcomb!<br />
  Dogb.  God’s my life! where’s the sexton? let him write down the prince’s officer coxcomb. Come, bind them. Thou naughty varlet!<br />
  Con.  Away! you are an ass; you are an ass.</p>
<p>* * *<br />
And it may yet come to this, if no remedy of any kind is even attempted:</p>
<p>The first thing we do, <b>let&#8217;s kill all the lawyers.</b><br />
(2 Henry VI, 4.2.59), Dick the Butcher to Jack Cade</p>
<p>* * *<br />
The Bard often references both lawlessness and irrational lawfulness, and thus we see that history does indeed rhyme with its prior stanzas.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.shakespeare-online.com/quotes/shakespearelawyers.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.shakespeare-online.com/quotes/shakespearelawyers.html</a></p>
<p>Between two hawks, which flies the higher pitch;<br />
Between two dogs, which hath the deeper mouth;<br />
Between two blades, which bears the better temper:<br />
Between two horses, which doth bear him best;<br />
Between two girls, which hath the merriest eye;<br />
I have perhaps some shallow spirit of judgement;<br />
<b>But in these nice sharp quillets of the law,</b><br />
Good faith, I am no wiser than a daw.<br />
(2 Henry VI, 2.4.17), Warwick to Lords</p>
<p><b>When law can do no right,<br />
Let it be lawful that law bar no wrong:</b><br />
Law cannot give my child his kingdom here,<br />
For he that holds his kingdom holds the law.<br />
(King John, 3.1.189), Constance to Cardinal Pandulph</p>
<p><b>We have strict statutes and most biting laws.<br />
The needful bits and curbs to headstrong weeds,<br />
Which for this nineteen years we have let slip; </b><br />
Even like an o&#8217;ergrown lion in a cave,<br />
That goes not out to prey.<br />
(Measure for Measure, 1.3.21), Duke Vincentio</p>
<p><b>The jury, passing on the prisoner&#8217;s life,<br />
May in the sworn twelve have a thief or two<br />
Guiltier than him they try. </b>What&#8217;s open made to justice,<br />
That justice seizes: what know the laws<br />
That thieves do pass on thieves? &#8216;<br />
(Measure for Measure, 2.1.19), Angelo to Escalus</p>
<p><b>I will make a Star Chamber matter of it.</b><br />
(The Merry Wives of Windsor, 1.1.1), Shallow to Slender</p>
<p><b>A friend of mine, who, in hot blood,<br />
Hath stepp&#8217;d into the law, </b>which is past depth<br />
To those that, without heed, do plunge into &#8216;t.<br />
(Timon of Athens, 3.5.12), Alcibiades</p>
<p>(seems apposite for many of Trump&#8217;s supporters caught in the net spread for him)</p>
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