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		By: Cornflour		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2018/06/12/the-trump-kim-document/#comment-2389285</link>

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					<description><![CDATA[Nothing happened, so there&#039;s nothing to talk about.  At least nobody died.  Symbolism?  I gotta bridge for ya.]]></description>
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		By: Gringo		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2018/06/12/the-trump-kim-document/#comment-2389279</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2018 00:47:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ann:
&lt;b&gt;But no problem at all when Trump says a murderous dictator is beloved by his people with great fervor and has a great personality and is very smart.&lt;/b&gt;


Do I understand it that YOU have a problem with Trump&#039;s flattering Kim, who without a doubt IS a murderous dictator?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ann:<br />
<b>But no problem at all when Trump says a murderous dictator is beloved by his people with great fervor and has a great personality and is very smart.</b></p>
<p>Do I understand it that YOU have a problem with Trump&#8217;s flattering Kim, who without a doubt IS a murderous dictator?</p>
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		By: Steve57		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2018/06/12/the-trump-kim-document/#comment-2389257</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2018 17:56:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[physicsguy said:

&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;&quot;&gt;The key to the whole process is the verification aspect. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

One of the most galling things about the &quot;Iran deal&quot; is that there is no possibility of verification.  Iran was supposed to come clean about all aspects of its nuclear program to establish a baseline.

They never did. Obama insisted that we should not push Iran on that point. But without a baseline there&#039;s no way for regulators to know if they&#039;re cheating.  Which is of course why Iran refused.

The remarkable thing to me is that after Israel revealed that Iran lied, Obama apologists demurred that the &quot;deal&quot; was based upon verification. Not trust. But any reasonably sane, intelligent human being can determine that since we didn&#039;t force Iran to establish a baseline for their nuclear program, including identifying all sites involved in the effort, verification is impossible.

What worries me is that some commentators are claiming that the Iran &quot;deal&quot; should be the model for denuclearizing the NORKs. I&#039;m sure that&#039;s exactly what li&#039;l Kim is hoping for.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>physicsguy said:</p>
<blockquote cite=""><p>The key to the whole process is the verification aspect. </p></blockquote>
<p>One of the most galling things about the &#8220;Iran deal&#8221; is that there is no possibility of verification.  Iran was supposed to come clean about all aspects of its nuclear program to establish a baseline.</p>
<p>They never did. Obama insisted that we should not push Iran on that point. But without a baseline there&#8217;s no way for regulators to know if they&#8217;re cheating.  Which is of course why Iran refused.</p>
<p>The remarkable thing to me is that after Israel revealed that Iran lied, Obama apologists demurred that the &#8220;deal&#8221; was based upon verification. Not trust. But any reasonably sane, intelligent human being can determine that since we didn&#8217;t force Iran to establish a baseline for their nuclear program, including identifying all sites involved in the effort, verification is impossible.</p>
<p>What worries me is that some commentators are claiming that the Iran &#8220;deal&#8221; should be the model for denuclearizing the NORKs. I&#8217;m sure that&#8217;s exactly what li&#8217;l Kim is hoping for.</p>
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		By: Steve57		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2018/06/12/the-trump-kim-document/#comment-2389243</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2018 06:17:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[If I were President Air Force One would be an AC-130.]]></description>
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		By: FOAF		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2018/06/12/the-trump-kim-document/#comment-2389236</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2018 05:00:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot; A lot of talk about what a great guy Kim is, which I think is some sort of tactic rather than what Trump really thinks.&quot;

Ya think?  With Trump there is always another punch line coming.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; A lot of talk about what a great guy Kim is, which I think is some sort of tactic rather than what Trump really thinks.&#8221;</p>
<p>Ya think?  With Trump there is always another punch line coming.</p>
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		By: Steve57		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2018 04:49:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;&quot;&gt;... Assorted Duties near Remagen

With the approach of spring the waiting finally ended. On 7 March, nearly four months after its arrival on the continent, Unit 1 received orders to move 16 LCVPs into Germany; this followed the 9th Armored Division’s lucky capture of the Ludendorff Bridge at Remagen, the last span standing on the Rhine River.

In his report, Lieutenant Wenker noted that the large flatbed trailers that carried the 36-foot-long and 11-foot-wide LCVPs “encountered considerable difficulty” navigating the dark and narrow secondary roads to their destination. 7 A trailer got stuck on a sharp turn at Bleisheim, 35 road miles northwest of Remagen, delaying the unit more than an hour. South of Weilerswist the column found the route impassable and had to backtrack. Churned by the mass of troops and vehicles funneling to the bridgehead, the roads were in execrable shape. A trailer got stuck in mud, and a truck rolled over trying to negotiate a shell crater. A wrecker easily righted the truck, but four large, heavy-duty tow trucks were needed to yank the trailer from the muck. Over the final few miles the column crawled forward barely averaging a mile an hour. At one point a wrecker had to be hitched to each truck to drag it through a muddy patch. One trailer slipped into a shell hole and took 36 hours to extract.

At 0830 on 11 March Wenker’s unit finally began launching boats. This occurred at Kripp, a mile south of Remagen, and by 1350 five LCVPs were afloat after being dropped into the water “like so many eggs.” 8 By that time the Army had been pushing troops across the Rhine for several days–8,000 men crossed in the first 24 hours–and engineers were struggling to complete a pontoon bridge and a treadway bridge to supplement the damaged Ludendorff span. The LCVPs were rushed into action to help the engineers without giving their coxswains a chance to test the river’s swift and tricky currents.

One LCVP lost headway and was swept against the partially completed pontoon bridge. It threatened to undo all the work so far completed, but the engineers loosened the upstream cables allowing the craft to slip free. Meanwhile, the powerful flow was causing a portion of the bridge near the west shore to sag, so three LCVPs were pointed upstream and began pushing the pontoons at full power to keep them in place. They kept to this job for three days.

By noon on 12 March the treadway and pontoon bridges were completed. An LCVP went upstream to lay an antimine boom. Two other boats worked out of Unkel, three miles downstream from Remagen, evacuating wounded from the far bank while operating under intense artillery fire that occasionally pinned down the crews. Five boats sat idle at Kripp, much to the disgust of Lieutenant Wenker, who complained, “What ferrying was done, if any, was not recorded.” The bridgehead was also under periodic air attack. “The major activity of these boats on the 12th consisted in shooting down an ME109. . . . Observed artillery made this area a virtual shooting gallery.” 9 At night, two LCVPs patrolled upriver and discouraged enemy saboteurs by dropping 50-pound TNT depth charges into the water every five minutes–to the tune of seven tons of explosives a night. On the 17th, two German swimmers were found sheltering on the river bank, driven ashore by the concussions and the cold water, which, in American eyes, justified the practice.

The balance of Unit 1 moved up to the river and launched its LCVPs on 14 March. On the 15th the boat crews finally got the opportunity fulfill their primary mission. On that day four LCVPs gathered at Unkel, and loading 36 men to a boat, they ferried 2,200 troops of the 1st Division to the far shore in three hours, taking only seven minutes for a round trip. The Army history conceded that this was “faster and more efficiently than the troops could march across a footbridge.” 10 Wenker noted that some of his crews had ferried units of the 1st Division ashore at Normandy. 11 On the 16th, LCVPs swiftly ferried 900 troops and eight jeeps across the river.

For Unit 1, however, ferry operations were the exception, and the unit’s great frustration was the feeling it was being underutilized. An observer dispatched from the Navy’s French headquarters noted that at one ferry point “It was irritating to the Navy crews to see queues of waiting vehicles at the approaches to the ,,,&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I was not in the 2nd Id. I just had business to attend to.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote cite=""><p>&#8230; Assorted Duties near Remagen</p>
<p>With the approach of spring the waiting finally ended. On 7 March, nearly four months after its arrival on the continent, Unit 1 received orders to move 16 LCVPs into Germany; this followed the 9th Armored Division’s lucky capture of the Ludendorff Bridge at Remagen, the last span standing on the Rhine River.</p>
<p>In his report, Lieutenant Wenker noted that the large flatbed trailers that carried the 36-foot-long and 11-foot-wide LCVPs “encountered considerable difficulty” navigating the dark and narrow secondary roads to their destination. 7 A trailer got stuck on a sharp turn at Bleisheim, 35 road miles northwest of Remagen, delaying the unit more than an hour. South of Weilerswist the column found the route impassable and had to backtrack. Churned by the mass of troops and vehicles funneling to the bridgehead, the roads were in execrable shape. A trailer got stuck in mud, and a truck rolled over trying to negotiate a shell crater. A wrecker easily righted the truck, but four large, heavy-duty tow trucks were needed to yank the trailer from the muck. Over the final few miles the column crawled forward barely averaging a mile an hour. At one point a wrecker had to be hitched to each truck to drag it through a muddy patch. One trailer slipped into a shell hole and took 36 hours to extract.</p>
<p>At 0830 on 11 March Wenker’s unit finally began launching boats. This occurred at Kripp, a mile south of Remagen, and by 1350 five LCVPs were afloat after being dropped into the water “like so many eggs.” 8 By that time the Army had been pushing troops across the Rhine for several days–8,000 men crossed in the first 24 hours–and engineers were struggling to complete a pontoon bridge and a treadway bridge to supplement the damaged Ludendorff span. The LCVPs were rushed into action to help the engineers without giving their coxswains a chance to test the river’s swift and tricky currents.</p>
<p>One LCVP lost headway and was swept against the partially completed pontoon bridge. It threatened to undo all the work so far completed, but the engineers loosened the upstream cables allowing the craft to slip free. Meanwhile, the powerful flow was causing a portion of the bridge near the west shore to sag, so three LCVPs were pointed upstream and began pushing the pontoons at full power to keep them in place. They kept to this job for three days.</p>
<p>By noon on 12 March the treadway and pontoon bridges were completed. An LCVP went upstream to lay an antimine boom. Two other boats worked out of Unkel, three miles downstream from Remagen, evacuating wounded from the far bank while operating under intense artillery fire that occasionally pinned down the crews. Five boats sat idle at Kripp, much to the disgust of Lieutenant Wenker, who complained, “What ferrying was done, if any, was not recorded.” The bridgehead was also under periodic air attack. “The major activity of these boats on the 12th consisted in shooting down an ME109. . . . Observed artillery made this area a virtual shooting gallery.” 9 At night, two LCVPs patrolled upriver and discouraged enemy saboteurs by dropping 50-pound TNT depth charges into the water every five minutes–to the tune of seven tons of explosives a night. On the 17th, two German swimmers were found sheltering on the river bank, driven ashore by the concussions and the cold water, which, in American eyes, justified the practice.</p>
<p>The balance of Unit 1 moved up to the river and launched its LCVPs on 14 March. On the 15th the boat crews finally got the opportunity fulfill their primary mission. On that day four LCVPs gathered at Unkel, and loading 36 men to a boat, they ferried 2,200 troops of the 1st Division to the far shore in three hours, taking only seven minutes for a round trip. The Army history conceded that this was “faster and more efficiently than the troops could march across a footbridge.” 10 Wenker noted that some of his crews had ferried units of the 1st Division ashore at Normandy. 11 On the 16th, LCVPs swiftly ferried 900 troops and eight jeeps across the river.</p>
<p>For Unit 1, however, ferry operations were the exception, and the unit’s great frustration was the feeling it was being underutilized. An observer dispatched from the Navy’s French headquarters noted that at one ferry point “It was irritating to the Navy crews to see queues of waiting vehicles at the approaches to the ,,,</p></blockquote>
<p>I was not in the 2nd Id. I just had business to attend to.</p>
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		By: Steve57		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2018 04:23:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[https://www.usni.org/magazines/navalhistory/2015-04/landing-troops-across-rhine

&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;&quot;&gt;In an unusual assignment hundreds of miles inland, U.S. Navy sailors and their landing craft helped Army forces breach Germany’s last major line of defense.

In March 1945, villagers in northern France, Belgium, and Germany were treated to the peculiar sight of large boats seemingly floating across late-winter fields...&lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
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<blockquote cite=""><p>In an unusual assignment hundreds of miles inland, U.S. Navy sailors and their landing craft helped Army forces breach Germany’s last major line of defense.</p>
<p>In March 1945, villagers in northern France, Belgium, and Germany were treated to the peculiar sight of large boats seemingly floating across late-winter fields&#8230;</p></blockquote>
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		By: Steve57		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2018/06/12/the-trump-kim-document/#comment-2389232</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve57]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2018 04:13:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[https://olive-drab.com/od_history_ww2_stories_1944rangerspointeduhoc.php

&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;&quot;&gt;...Despite all difficulties, the Rangers used the ropes and ladders to scramble up the cliff. The German defenders were shocked by the bombardment and improbable assault, but quickly responded by cutting as many ropes as they could. They rushed to the cliff edge and poured direct rifle and machine gun fire on the Rangers, augmented by grenades tossed down the slope. The Rangers never broke, continuing to climb amidst the fire as Ranger BAR men picked off any exposed Germans. THE DESTROYER USS SATTERLEE USS  (DD-626) observed the Rangers&#039; precarious position, closed to 1500 yards and took the cliff top under direct fire from all guns, a considerable assist at a crucial time...&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The USN. Proudly supporting the ground pounders since, what? 1803?]]></description>
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<blockquote cite=""><p>&#8230;Despite all difficulties, the Rangers used the ropes and ladders to scramble up the cliff. The German defenders were shocked by the bombardment and improbable assault, but quickly responded by cutting as many ropes as they could. They rushed to the cliff edge and poured direct rifle and machine gun fire on the Rangers, augmented by grenades tossed down the slope. The Rangers never broke, continuing to climb amidst the fire as Ranger BAR men picked off any exposed Germans. THE DESTROYER USS SATTERLEE USS  (DD-626) observed the Rangers&#8217; precarious position, closed to 1500 yards and took the cliff top under direct fire from all guns, a considerable assist at a crucial time&#8230;</p></blockquote>
<p>The USN. Proudly supporting the ground pounders since, what? 1803?</p>
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		By: Steve57		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2018 03:54:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Oldflyer, I never intended to imply that I was both Seventh Fleet and Second ID. I&#039;m Navy blue. What I meant was that as a Navy guy I spent enough time with the ground pounders to earn membership in the VFW. 

But I did it all Navy. 

It&#039;s a Joint World and all.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oldflyer, I never intended to imply that I was both Seventh Fleet and Second ID. I&#8217;m Navy blue. What I meant was that as a Navy guy I spent enough time with the ground pounders to earn membership in the VFW. </p>
<p>But I did it all Navy. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s a Joint World and all.</p>
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		By: parker		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2018 00:41:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;All sorts of things...&quot;

Like giving the tyrants of Iran 1.6 billion on pallets? Like turning Libya in a sh*thole for terrorists and the mass invasion of Western Europe? Like the southern border invasion by MS13 and the DACA hordes filling the dem&#039;s voter rolls?

Those sorts of things?

Or how about Uranium One? The list is endless.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;All sorts of things&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Like giving the tyrants of Iran 1.6 billion on pallets? Like turning Libya in a sh*thole for terrorists and the mass invasion of Western Europe? Like the southern border invasion by MS13 and the DACA hordes filling the dem&#8217;s voter rolls?</p>
<p>Those sorts of things?</p>
<p>Or how about Uranium One? The list is endless.</p>
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