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		By: Ymar Sakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2018/05/09/theres-still-hope-for-pluto-the-planet/#comment-2385339</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ymar Sakar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2018 07:50:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Reading this is like reading Game of Thrones as historical text. Cosmology has an error rate between the mathematical models and astronomical observations as large as 120 zeroes.

For example, consider the status quo solar system model of circular and elliptical orbits. So how does Venus and Mercury show up as lights in the morning in daytime?

The inclination of deflection and light reflection would have to be so sharp, that for Mercury it wouldn&#039;t exist as a full body.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reading this is like reading Game of Thrones as historical text. Cosmology has an error rate between the mathematical models and astronomical observations as large as 120 zeroes.</p>
<p>For example, consider the status quo solar system model of circular and elliptical orbits. So how does Venus and Mercury show up as lights in the morning in daytime?</p>
<p>The inclination of deflection and light reflection would have to be so sharp, that for Mercury it wouldn&#8217;t exist as a full body.</p>
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		By: TommyJay		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[TommyJay]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2018 22:07:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The Wikipedia entries on &quot;Pluto&quot; and the &quot;Kuiper Belt&quot; are quite good.  Pluto properly belongs to the Kuiper belt, and another beyond Neptune body called Eris is actually bigger than Pluto but belongs to the &quot;scattered disk.&quot;  The Kuiper belt, the scattered disk, the Hills cloud, and the Oort cloud are all distinct outer solar system groups.

With the exception of Mercury, the rest of the planets have very circular orbits, but Pluto does not.  Neptune&#039;s eccentricity is 0.0095 but Pluto&#039;s is 0.249.  Also Pluto&#039;s orbit is on a significantly different plane compared to the rest of the planets.

Part of the early conviction that Pluto was a planet came from the belief that it was Planet X.  Early celestial mechanics calculations indicated that the orbits of Uranus and Neptune weren&#039;t correct unless there was another undiscovered planet, Planet X.  In the final wash, Planet X was just a case of bad data in, and bad conclusions out.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Wikipedia entries on &#8220;Pluto&#8221; and the &#8220;Kuiper Belt&#8221; are quite good.  Pluto properly belongs to the Kuiper belt, and another beyond Neptune body called Eris is actually bigger than Pluto but belongs to the &#8220;scattered disk.&#8221;  The Kuiper belt, the scattered disk, the Hills cloud, and the Oort cloud are all distinct outer solar system groups.</p>
<p>With the exception of Mercury, the rest of the planets have very circular orbits, but Pluto does not.  Neptune&#8217;s eccentricity is 0.0095 but Pluto&#8217;s is 0.249.  Also Pluto&#8217;s orbit is on a significantly different plane compared to the rest of the planets.</p>
<p>Part of the early conviction that Pluto was a planet came from the belief that it was Planet X.  Early celestial mechanics calculations indicated that the orbits of Uranus and Neptune weren&#8217;t correct unless there was another undiscovered planet, Planet X.  In the final wash, Planet X was just a case of bad data in, and bad conclusions out.</p>
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		By: blert		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[blert]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2018 20:14:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The near universal term now used is &quot;dwarf planet.&quot;

BTW, Ceres is now deemed a dwarf planet. It&#039;s fully rounded, too.

Pluto is also a couplet. 

Its companion moon is tidally locked... just like our Moon.

It&#039;s MUCH closer to Pluto than the Moon is to Earth, and the mass ratios cause both to spin around a center point that is OUTSIDE the surface of Pluto. This is unique.

Even so, it has other, ultra-dinky, moons.

&quot;The dwarf planet &lt;b&gt;Pluto&lt;/b&gt; has five moons down to a detection limit of about 1 km in diameter. In order of distance from Pluto, they are &lt;b&gt;Charon,&lt;/b&gt; Styx, Nix, Kerberos, and Hydra.[1] 

Charon, the largest of the five moons, is mutually tidally locked with Pluto, and is massive enough that Pluto—Charon is sometimes considered a double dwarf planet.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The near universal term now used is &#8220;dwarf planet.&#8221;</p>
<p>BTW, Ceres is now deemed a dwarf planet. It&#8217;s fully rounded, too.</p>
<p>Pluto is also a couplet. </p>
<p>Its companion moon is tidally locked&#8230; just like our Moon.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s MUCH closer to Pluto than the Moon is to Earth, and the mass ratios cause both to spin around a center point that is OUTSIDE the surface of Pluto. This is unique.</p>
<p>Even so, it has other, ultra-dinky, moons.</p>
<p>&#8220;The dwarf planet <b>Pluto</b> has five moons down to a detection limit of about 1 km in diameter. In order of distance from Pluto, they are <b>Charon,</b> Styx, Nix, Kerberos, and Hydra.[1] </p>
<p>Charon, the largest of the five moons, is mutually tidally locked with Pluto, and is massive enough that Pluto—Charon is sometimes considered a double dwarf planet.&#8221;</p>
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		By: Geoffrey Britain		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Geoffrey Britain]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2018 19:33:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[That Pluto is a planet is obvious. &lt;a href=&quot;https://thinkingscifi.files.wordpress.com/2013/02/plutos-orbit.jpg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Given its orbit&lt;/a&gt;, whether its a &quot;natural born&quot; planet or &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/wandering-in-the-void-billions-of-rogue-planets-without-a-home/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;a rogue planet, i.e. an &quot;interstellar planet&quot;&lt;/a&gt; is the real question.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That Pluto is a planet is obvious. <a href="https://thinkingscifi.files.wordpress.com/2013/02/plutos-orbit.jpg" rel="nofollow">Given its orbit</a>, whether its a &#8220;natural born&#8221; planet or <a href="https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/wandering-in-the-void-billions-of-rogue-planets-without-a-home/" rel="nofollow">a rogue planet, i.e. an &#8220;interstellar planet&#8221;</a> is the real question.</p>
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		By: Ymar Sakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2018/05/09/theres-still-hope-for-pluto-the-planet/#comment-2385270</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ymar Sakar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2018 18:58:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This is what NASA tells us Pluto looks like.

https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&#038;ccid=1%2B2d9mCY&#038;id=6FC34A6E69F091C6B50A4C5C2BFBADB1A46606BA&#038;thid=OIP.1-2d9mCYRnD7V9DmRLdVzAHaDt&#038;mediaurl=https%3A%2F%2Flifebeyondexaggeration.files.wordpress.com%2F2015%2F07%2Fpluto-on-pluto.jpg&#038;exph=480&#038;expw=960&#038;q=Pluto+picture+as+Pluto&#038;simid=607991423772065883&#038;ajaxhist=0]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is what NASA tells us Pluto looks like.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&#038;ccid=1%2B2d9mCY&#038;id=6FC34A6E69F091C6B50A4C5C2BFBADB1A46606BA&#038;thid=OIP.1-2d9mCYRnD7V9DmRLdVzAHaDt&#038;mediaurl=https%3A%2F%2Flifebeyondexaggeration.files.wordpress.com%2F2015%2F07%2Fpluto-on-pluto.jpg&#038;exph=480&#038;expw=960&#038;q=Pluto+picture+as+Pluto&#038;simid=607991423772065883&#038;ajaxhist=0" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&#038;ccid=1%2B2d9mCY&#038;id=6FC34A6E69F091C6B50A4C5C2BFBADB1A46606BA&#038;thid=OIP.1-2d9mCYRnD7V9DmRLdVzAHaDt&#038;mediaurl=https%3A%2F%2Flifebeyondexaggeration.files.wordpress.com%2F2015%2F07%2Fpluto-on-pluto.jpg&#038;exph=480&#038;expw=960&#038;q=Pluto+picture+as+Pluto&#038;simid=607991423772065883&#038;ajaxhist=0</a></p>
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		By: Yancey Ward		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2018/05/09/theres-still-hope-for-pluto-the-planet/#comment-2385263</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Yancey Ward]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2018 18:12:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Pluto was dropped not for any real scientific reason, but that the people doing so just wanted attention.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pluto was dropped not for any real scientific reason, but that the people doing so just wanted attention.</p>
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		By: Ymar Sakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2018/05/09/theres-still-hope-for-pluto-the-planet/#comment-2385257</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ymar Sakar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2018 17:40:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eH1iWygFL3g

&lt;b&gt;So, they drummed Pluto out of the planet roll call by waiting till there weren’t many scientists left at the meeting before they took the vote? &lt;/b&gt;

It worked for the Federal Reserve Act that was operated and controlled by private interests that are unelected.]]></description>
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<p><b>So, they drummed Pluto out of the planet roll call by waiting till there weren’t many scientists left at the meeting before they took the vote? </b></p>
<p>It worked for the Federal Reserve Act that was operated and controlled by private interests that are unelected.</p>
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		By: steve walsh		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[steve walsh]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2018 16:43:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I would think the definition of a planet would be short and simple, but, then again, I&#039;m not a scientist, what do I know.

&quot;Sounds like politics to me.&quot;, to me too.

I&#039;m reminded of this: If you are to mix ice cream with dog poop the resulting mixture will taste more like the latter than the former. Likewise science and politics.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would think the definition of a planet would be short and simple, but, then again, I&#8217;m not a scientist, what do I know.</p>
<p>&#8220;Sounds like politics to me.&#8221;, to me too.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m reminded of this: If you are to mix ice cream with dog poop the resulting mixture will taste more like the latter than the former. Likewise science and politics.</p>
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