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		By: Frog		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Off-topic, I note today Julie Keene, who used to comment here as a disguised &quot;conservative liberal&quot; (my words) is posting rabid, gloves-off Leftist comments on the WSJ.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Off-topic, I note today Julie Keene, who used to comment here as a disguised &#8220;conservative liberal&#8221; (my words) is posting rabid, gloves-off Leftist comments on the WSJ.</p>
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		By: Frog		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2018 15:14:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Barry Meislin: Amen, brother. Way to go!]]></description>
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		By: Manju		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2018 08:51:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Good to see that most of you understand why the accused don&#039;t have to prove their innocence. It&#039;s very very hard to prove the negative. 

So next time someone claims that they can, as the author of the article Neo cites does, your antennas should go up...especially if the author doesn&#039;t show you the money. 

Beacause if he doesn&#039;t, he&#039;s probably BSing you. And indeed, he is:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2018/05/03/the-unsupported-claim-that-james-clapper-tipped-jake-tapper-about-the-dossier/?utm_term=.4aecd6a03a97]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good to see that most of you understand why the accused don&#8217;t have to prove their innocence. It&#8217;s very very hard to prove the negative. </p>
<p>So next time someone claims that they can, as the author of the article Neo cites does, your antennas should go up&#8230;especially if the author doesn&#8217;t show you the money. </p>
<p>Beacause if he doesn&#8217;t, he&#8217;s probably BSing you. And indeed, he is:</p>
<p><a href="https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2018/05/03/the-unsupported-claim-that-james-clapper-tipped-jake-tapper-about-the-dossier/?utm_term=.4aecd6a03a97" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2018/05/03/the-unsupported-claim-that-james-clapper-tipped-jake-tapper-about-the-dossier/?utm_term=.4aecd6a03a97</a></p>
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		By: Sam L.		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2018 18:09:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Why I don&#039;t trust the enemedia, item #103496728.]]></description>
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		By: Ymar Sakar		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2018 15:14:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;Instead of Nixon’s dodgy plumbers&lt;/b&gt;

Felt and the FBI&#039;s dodgy plumbers, to be exactly accurate.

&lt;b&gt;....had the top levels of the FBI working against Trump both before and after the election.&lt;/b&gt;

Top levels of FBI was ousting Nixon too.

&lt;b&gt;Which would mean that Obama is one of the most–perhaps THE most–successful president in American history.&lt;/b&gt;

Whenever conservatives said that Hussein had failed, I would point that Hussein succeeded, just not at helping the US Constitution and USA.

His goals are different, so what would seem like &quot;failures&quot; would be successes if you move the goal post to the actual goal line. It&#039;s not a miss then but a score. People were just blind to it because they still had faith that the &quot;media&quot; would communicate at least part of the truth, if not all of it. This reliance on outsourcing truth and the press to some elite aristocrats is a very bad American habit.

&lt;b&gt;I would like very well to hear some of the rest of the brethren speak, if I had entirely got over being angry and had patience to sit and hear. I think, however, that I shall be able to calm and control my feelings, though I do not expect to become entirely settled until the affairs around me are settled.

It is a pretty bold stand for this people to take, to say that they will not be controlled by the corrupt administrators of our General Government. We will be controlled by them, if they will be controlled by the Constitution and laws; but they will not. Many of them do not care any

more about the Constitution and the laws that they make than they do about the laws of another nation. That class trample the rights of the people under their feet, while there are also many who would like to honor them. All we have ever asked for is our constitutional rights. We wish the laws of our Government honored, and we have ever honored them; but they are trampled under foot by administrators.

&lt;/b&gt;
********************************
&lt;b&gt;Liars have reported that this people have committed treason; and upon their lies, the President has ordered out troops to aid in officering this Territory: and if those officers are like many who have previously been sent here (and we have reason to believe that they are, or they would not come when they know they are not wanted), they are poor, miserable blacklegs, broken-down political hacks, robbers, and whoremongers–men that are not fit for civilized society; so they must dragoon them upon us for officers. I feel that I won&#039;t bear such cursed treatment, and that is enough to say; for we are just as free as the mountain air.

I do not lift my voice against the great and glorious Government guaranteed to every citizen by our Constitution, but against those corrupt administrators who trample the Constitution and just laws under their feet. They care no more about them than they do about the Government of France; but they walk them under their feet with impunity. And the most of the characters they have sent here as officers cared no more about the laws of our country and of this Territory than they did about the laws of China, but walked them under their feet with all the recklessness of despots.

I do not want to be angry, nor to have my feelings wrought up; but I cannot keep quiet under the continued outrageous tyranny of the wicked.

&lt;/b&gt;
********************
&lt;b&gt;Admit of corrupt administrators sending troops here, and what would be the result? All hell would follow after. I naturally dislike to have any trouble, and would not, were I not obliged to; but we are obliged to defend ourselves against the persecution of our oppressors, or have our constitutional rights rent from us, and have ourselves destroyed. &lt;/b&gt;
*******************
&lt;b&gt;The Government of our country will go by the board through its own corruptions, and no power can save it. If we can avert the blow for another season, it is probable that our enemies will have enough to attend to at home................

They say that their army is legal, and I say that such a statement is as false as hell, and that they are as rotten as an old pumpkin that has been frozen seven times and then melted in a harvest sun. Come on with your thousands of illegally-ordered troops, and I will promise you, in the name of Israel&#039;s God, that you shall melt away as the snow before a July sun.

&lt;/b&gt;----------- Territory of Utah War of 1857 vs Democrat President Buchanan of the United States of America

Maybe the Democrats didn&#039;t teach that in our US history class and textbooks....

http://jod.mrm.org/5/226 Primary source citations are there. In the days of pre online research, we would have had to send photographic copies of this through the mail which might take a few weeks. Now I can just scroll through digitized copies.

&lt;b&gt;Learn to control yourselves; learn to be in the hands of God as clay in the hands of the potter; and if he will turn our enemies away, praised be his name. But if it should become a duty to take the sword, let us do it&lt;/b&gt;

&lt;b&gt;We have the knowledge of those things; and we have the greatest reason to be thankful of any people upon the face of the earth. If others ought to do right, we more. Be full of love and compassion to your fellow beings, full of kindness, such as human beings can possess, for that is our business. The only business that we have on hand is to build up the kingdom of God and prepare the way of the Son of Man.&lt;/b&gt;

This isn&#039;t the first time the USA has fought against minority enclaves like the Red Indians. It is merely the first time a territory/State has been involved in an outright state of war with the United Federal States of America and survived or even won the conflict. No other territory, not even Kansas Vs Missouri slave raiders, faced the Union army itself. The outright secession of the Southern slave states for power over blacks and whites, didn&#039;t happen until some odd years later. At that time, Utah was still partially occupied by 2000 troops or a division. The Union had to recall them, but they did not really make it in time to counter Lee&#039;s strike from Virginia. How convenient that much of the Union&#039;s professional army manpower was stationed to occupy and over the Territory of Utah when secession broke out. If I had a suspicious military Art of War mind (and I do), I would think this was a stratagem by some genius mortal or immortal.

Here&#039;s another tid bit of history we might never have been told from Demoncrat written and published and sold textbooks.

&lt;b&gt;Birth: 	Oct. 11, 1811
Nelson County
Kentucky, USA
Death: 	Apr. 16, 1890
Attica
Harper County
Kansas, USA

2nd. Lieutenant CO. G.
10th Ind. Cavalry

Nathaniel GRIGSBY. Son of Reuben Davis GRIGSBY Sr. &#038; Nancy BARKER. Born 11 October 1811 in Nelson Co., KY. Died 16 April 1890 in Attica, Harper Co., KS. Buried in Attica, Harper Co., KS. He was a Civil War veteran, a 2nd Lieut., of Company G, 10th Indiana Cavalry. He was a farmer.

Nathaniel was a dear friend of Abraham Lincoln.

WENT TO SCHOOL WITH LINCOLN&#039;S, BROTHER TO AARON GRIGSBY WHO MARRIED ABE LINCOLN&#039;S OLDEST SISTER. VISITED IN WHITE HOUSE.

&quot;Through this inscription I wish to enter my dying protest against what is called the Democratic party I have watched it closely since the days of Jackson and know that all the misfortunes of our nation has come to it through this so called party therefore beware of this party of treason. 
Put on in fulfillment of promise to Deceased. Reprinted as posted on one side of the monument of N. Grigsby.&quot; &lt;/b&gt;

You can look up the pictures online. That&#039;s on his Tombstone.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Instead of Nixon’s dodgy plumbers</b></p>
<p>Felt and the FBI&#8217;s dodgy plumbers, to be exactly accurate.</p>
<p><b>&#8230;.had the top levels of the FBI working against Trump both before and after the election.</b></p>
<p>Top levels of FBI was ousting Nixon too.</p>
<p><b>Which would mean that Obama is one of the most–perhaps THE most–successful president in American history.</b></p>
<p>Whenever conservatives said that Hussein had failed, I would point that Hussein succeeded, just not at helping the US Constitution and USA.</p>
<p>His goals are different, so what would seem like &#8220;failures&#8221; would be successes if you move the goal post to the actual goal line. It&#8217;s not a miss then but a score. People were just blind to it because they still had faith that the &#8220;media&#8221; would communicate at least part of the truth, if not all of it. This reliance on outsourcing truth and the press to some elite aristocrats is a very bad American habit.</p>
<p><b>I would like very well to hear some of the rest of the brethren speak, if I had entirely got over being angry and had patience to sit and hear. I think, however, that I shall be able to calm and control my feelings, though I do not expect to become entirely settled until the affairs around me are settled.</p>
<p>It is a pretty bold stand for this people to take, to say that they will not be controlled by the corrupt administrators of our General Government. We will be controlled by them, if they will be controlled by the Constitution and laws; but they will not. Many of them do not care any</p>
<p>more about the Constitution and the laws that they make than they do about the laws of another nation. That class trample the rights of the people under their feet, while there are also many who would like to honor them. All we have ever asked for is our constitutional rights. We wish the laws of our Government honored, and we have ever honored them; but they are trampled under foot by administrators.</p>
<p></b><br />
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<b>Liars have reported that this people have committed treason; and upon their lies, the President has ordered out troops to aid in officering this Territory: and if those officers are like many who have previously been sent here (and we have reason to believe that they are, or they would not come when they know they are not wanted), they are poor, miserable blacklegs, broken-down political hacks, robbers, and whoremongers–men that are not fit for civilized society; so they must dragoon them upon us for officers. I feel that I won&#8217;t bear such cursed treatment, and that is enough to say; for we are just as free as the mountain air.</p>
<p>I do not lift my voice against the great and glorious Government guaranteed to every citizen by our Constitution, but against those corrupt administrators who trample the Constitution and just laws under their feet. They care no more about them than they do about the Government of France; but they walk them under their feet with impunity. And the most of the characters they have sent here as officers cared no more about the laws of our country and of this Territory than they did about the laws of China, but walked them under their feet with all the recklessness of despots.</p>
<p>I do not want to be angry, nor to have my feelings wrought up; but I cannot keep quiet under the continued outrageous tyranny of the wicked.</p>
<p></b><br />
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<b>Admit of corrupt administrators sending troops here, and what would be the result? All hell would follow after. I naturally dislike to have any trouble, and would not, were I not obliged to; but we are obliged to defend ourselves against the persecution of our oppressors, or have our constitutional rights rent from us, and have ourselves destroyed. </b><br />
*******************<br />
<b>The Government of our country will go by the board through its own corruptions, and no power can save it. If we can avert the blow for another season, it is probable that our enemies will have enough to attend to at home&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
<p>They say that their army is legal, and I say that such a statement is as false as hell, and that they are as rotten as an old pumpkin that has been frozen seven times and then melted in a harvest sun. Come on with your thousands of illegally-ordered troops, and I will promise you, in the name of Israel&#8217;s God, that you shall melt away as the snow before a July sun.</p>
<p></b>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211; Territory of Utah War of 1857 vs Democrat President Buchanan of the United States of America</p>
<p>Maybe the Democrats didn&#8217;t teach that in our US history class and textbooks&#8230;.</p>
<p><a href="http://jod.mrm.org/5/226" rel="nofollow ugc">http://jod.mrm.org/5/226</a> Primary source citations are there. In the days of pre online research, we would have had to send photographic copies of this through the mail which might take a few weeks. Now I can just scroll through digitized copies.</p>
<p><b>Learn to control yourselves; learn to be in the hands of God as clay in the hands of the potter; and if he will turn our enemies away, praised be his name. But if it should become a duty to take the sword, let us do it</b></p>
<p><b>We have the knowledge of those things; and we have the greatest reason to be thankful of any people upon the face of the earth. If others ought to do right, we more. Be full of love and compassion to your fellow beings, full of kindness, such as human beings can possess, for that is our business. The only business that we have on hand is to build up the kingdom of God and prepare the way of the Son of Man.</b></p>
<p>This isn&#8217;t the first time the USA has fought against minority enclaves like the Red Indians. It is merely the first time a territory/State has been involved in an outright state of war with the United Federal States of America and survived or even won the conflict. No other territory, not even Kansas Vs Missouri slave raiders, faced the Union army itself. The outright secession of the Southern slave states for power over blacks and whites, didn&#8217;t happen until some odd years later. At that time, Utah was still partially occupied by 2000 troops or a division. The Union had to recall them, but they did not really make it in time to counter Lee&#8217;s strike from Virginia. How convenient that much of the Union&#8217;s professional army manpower was stationed to occupy and over the Territory of Utah when secession broke out. If I had a suspicious military Art of War mind (and I do), I would think this was a stratagem by some genius mortal or immortal.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s another tid bit of history we might never have been told from Demoncrat written and published and sold textbooks.</p>
<p><b>Birth: 	Oct. 11, 1811<br />
Nelson County<br />
Kentucky, USA<br />
Death: 	Apr. 16, 1890<br />
Attica<br />
Harper County<br />
Kansas, USA</p>
<p>2nd. Lieutenant CO. G.<br />
10th Ind. Cavalry</p>
<p>Nathaniel GRIGSBY. Son of Reuben Davis GRIGSBY Sr. &amp; Nancy BARKER. Born 11 October 1811 in Nelson Co., KY. Died 16 April 1890 in Attica, Harper Co., KS. Buried in Attica, Harper Co., KS. He was a Civil War veteran, a 2nd Lieut., of Company G, 10th Indiana Cavalry. He was a farmer.</p>
<p>Nathaniel was a dear friend of Abraham Lincoln.</p>
<p>WENT TO SCHOOL WITH LINCOLN&#8217;S, BROTHER TO AARON GRIGSBY WHO MARRIED ABE LINCOLN&#8217;S OLDEST SISTER. VISITED IN WHITE HOUSE.</p>
<p>&#8220;Through this inscription I wish to enter my dying protest against what is called the Democratic party I have watched it closely since the days of Jackson and know that all the misfortunes of our nation has come to it through this so called party therefore beware of this party of treason.<br />
Put on in fulfillment of promise to Deceased. Reprinted as posted on one side of the monument of N. Grigsby.&#8221; </b></p>
<p>You can look up the pictures online. That&#8217;s on his Tombstone.</p>
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		By: Richard Aubrey		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2018 12:40:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[FOAF.   If he has a conscience, he&#039;d have to be paid a millionaire&#039;s ransom.]]></description>
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					<description><![CDATA[How much do you get paid for this, manju?  I can&#039;t believe it is much over minimum wage.]]></description>
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		By: Barry Meislin		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[(Continued)

...considered the first step....

But beware the Democratic Party&#039;s desperate &quot;counter reformation&quot;, which is what we are currently witnessing.]]></description>
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<p>&#8230;considered the first step&#8230;.</p>
<p>But beware the Democratic Party&#8217;s desperate &#8220;counter reformation&#8221;, which is what we are currently witnessing.</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;...then the foxes are running the henhouse.&quot;

Or the inmates the asylum....

Indeed, if the tipping point has been reached---IF---then America, or at least significant swaths of it, has been, it would seem, &quot;fundamentally transformed&quot;.

Which would mean that Obama is one of the most---perhaps THE most---successful president in American history.

(Of course, the usual suspects have been making that claim all along.... And, of course, suborning the FBI, the DOJ, the IRS and other various govt. agencies, as well as being given complete backup by the media, does help....)



The question is, can the genie be made to get back in its bottle, and if so, how might that be done?....

I guess denying Clinton her divinely-ordained destiny may be considered the first step....]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;then the foxes are running the henhouse.&#8221;</p>
<p>Or the inmates the asylum&#8230;.</p>
<p>Indeed, if the tipping point has been reached&#8212;IF&#8212;then America, or at least significant swaths of it, has been, it would seem, &#8220;fundamentally transformed&#8221;.</p>
<p>Which would mean that Obama is one of the most&#8212;perhaps THE most&#8212;successful president in American history.</p>
<p>(Of course, the usual suspects have been making that claim all along&#8230;. And, of course, suborning the FBI, the DOJ, the IRS and other various govt. agencies, as well as being given complete backup by the media, does help&#8230;.)</p>
<p>The question is, can the genie be made to get back in its bottle, and if so, how might that be done?&#8230;.</p>
<p>I guess denying Clinton her divinely-ordained destiny may be considered the first step&#8230;.</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[What I see emerging, like many here, is that the corruption in he government is far worse than most of us realised. The apparent collusion with the  Obama and the Clinton campaign to ensure Trump&#039;s defeat is shocking - Instead of Nixon&#039;s dodgy plumbers, Obama and Clinton had the top levels of the FBI working against  Trump both before and after the election. While unsurprised that a Justice Department controlled by one political party would manage not to bring criminal charges against the obvious successor of their own party, I am surprised by those same officials shifting seamlessly into lawfare mode against the new president and triggering a Special Counsel. Insurance policy indeed, and we haven&#039;t gotten to Clapper and Brennan who may have been and still are up to all sorts of nefarious things.  It was a commonplace by, at least, the 50s that no president would replace  J Edgar Hoover because he had too much dirt on everyone, or that LBJ knew all his congressional colleagues sins and used them to get his way. We can wink and call LBJ a great parliamentarian, but if the three letter agencies are doing it to our officials - elected and otherwise - then the foxes are running the henhouse.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I see emerging, like many here, is that the corruption in he government is far worse than most of us realised. The apparent collusion with the  Obama and the Clinton campaign to ensure Trump&#8217;s defeat is shocking &#8211; Instead of Nixon&#8217;s dodgy plumbers, Obama and Clinton had the top levels of the FBI working against  Trump both before and after the election. While unsurprised that a Justice Department controlled by one political party would manage not to bring criminal charges against the obvious successor of their own party, I am surprised by those same officials shifting seamlessly into lawfare mode against the new president and triggering a Special Counsel. Insurance policy indeed, and we haven&#8217;t gotten to Clapper and Brennan who may have been and still are up to all sorts of nefarious things.  It was a commonplace by, at least, the 50s that no president would replace  J Edgar Hoover because he had too much dirt on everyone, or that LBJ knew all his congressional colleagues sins and used them to get his way. We can wink and call LBJ a great parliamentarian, but if the three letter agencies are doing it to our officials &#8211; elected and otherwise &#8211; then the foxes are running the henhouse.</p>
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