Every time you have to clarify what you actually meant and wrote to someone that claimed different. It’s the same thing.

To Aesop:
Whether the Church of England or the Vatican, State religions have always plagued human harmony and rest.

Alfie

Songwriters: Burt Bacharach / Hal David
Alfie lyrics © Sony/ATV Music Publishing LLC

Requiescat In Pace

And also polio (no iron lung while doctors work to discover the vaccine), heart transplants (because, at first, many people barely survived the procedure as the doctors improved the techniques and technology), and countless other life-saving interventions that were only possible because they studied and tested things on the people who were going to die if they did nothing — what if they had just DONE NOTHING?

The defeatist posture of the Left is one of its core principles, judging by what they do rather than what they say.

Because the ultimate goal is to remove all people who don’t bow down to the Idol (Supreme Soviet, King, NHS, whatever the current garb).

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/alfie-evans-post-mortem/

“King declared that she and the other two justices on the panel didn’t understand “why the father’s proposal involved Alfie being transferred to both Italy and Munich.” Two things, Lady Justice. First, you already solved that mystery, in the preceding sentence: Alfie’s parents wanted to move with him to what they regarded as “a more empathetic environment.” You formulated that nicely. Second: Your concern that they might have encountered hardships abroad and then your stopping them – for their own good, of course, as you saw it – from taking action that was a little bolder than you might have taken were misplaced. They were not your children, and even if they were they were not children.

You know the drill: She was only discharging her duty to ensure the child’s “best interest.” She wouldn’t let him go to Rome because he could have died on the plane en route, but she wouldn’t let him continue on life support either, because she deemed it “futile” in the face of his “inevitable death.” His father said, in effect, What’s to lose? If Alfie had to die somewhere, better on a flight to the Holy City, wouldn’t you say, than under the thumb of the National Health Service in Liverpool? Then King played the pain card, saying that Alfie might be capable of feeling it so no air travel on that account, though she quoted a doctor who said he probably wasn’t, and she forgot or passed over the widespread use of anesthesia, a word that occurs nowhere in her 16,000-word opinion.

“I suspect that it is a response to an ideological battle,” Mariella Enoc, president of Bambino Gesé¹, said earlier this week when asked about what turned out to be the last court decision, on April 25, to block the transfer of Alfie to Rome. Enoc, who happens to be an anesthesiologist, said she thought that the judge’s reasoning was not “strictly” legal. “I suspect that there is hostility to the Vatican hospital,” she said, beating the British authorities at what is supposed to be their own game of understatement.

The high-handed treatment by U.K. doctors and judges is hard to separate from their disregard for the intangible value that the Catholic hospital offered, that the young couple sought, and that the state prevented them from enjoying. The state had no place there. Its intrusion will not be forgotten any time soon.

“The hospital withdrew Alfie’s life support Monday,” the Associated Press reports, “after a series of court rulings sided with doctors.” Sided with doctors. Which ones?

Alfie Evans died at 2:30 a.m. BST on April 28, the feast of Saint Peter Chanel, a martyr. Requiescat in pace.”

I pray that this precious child can rest in peace. I do not know how the people of the UK tolerate the NHS murderers who make Dr. Mengele seem humane. And the legal system that abetted the murder.

One reason is that they allowed the government to disarm them.

Most people think the Vatican just whirls out dogma, but if one reads Papal encyclicals, such as Pope St John Paul II’s “Fides et Ratio” (Faith and Reason) one sees how very learnedly philosophical the recent Popes have been.
“Humanae Vitae” (Of Human Life), written I believe before The Pill became universal, is another remarkable work.

The bottom-line ethical Catholic view is that one may never take a human life to end suffering, or because carrying on with supportive care is futile. Life is Life. Futility is in the eye of the beholder, and no one can know if a treatment will or will not be futile until it is tried! If we’d had this attitude in the 1960s when almost every child with cancer died, we’d never be where we are today, with 85-90% CURES.
This Life business of course extends to embryos formed at the moment of union of sperm and egg, the creation of a new individual by its DNA, a new unique human, at that very moment. Not feeling pain does not justify fetal murder. Though very rare, a few living humans have no pain perception whatever. It makes for a hazard-filled life!

It is not ethically wrong to have death result from a genuine and honest effort to extend life, relieve pain and suffering (e.g. oxygen hunger), provide fluids and calories, because death in those circumstances is not intended by any of these interventions.

Notice that even when people write Ymar as Year, I don’t say that they are insulting me. There is no need to automatically jump on that band wagon just because you need Trum as a Hero King to save you from yourself or your nation from itself.

Normal or rational people don’t jump to those extreme conclusions, not unless they want to become clowns at least.

http://www.neoneocon.com/2018/04/23/the-waffle-house-shooting-and-guns/#comment-2383915

I noticed that you aren’t actually reading or paying attention to what I wrote. So why do you argue against it and then blame me for futile internet arguments.

They didn’t come “back into power for a bit”. They instituted the complete transformation of Britain with national healthcare and other government first programs until Thatcher came along. They wouldn’t have needed Thatcher otherwise, to stop the trend.

Year Sakar — Sorry but there seems to be some confusion above

There’s no confusion above, you’re probably just misinterpreting what you read.

I didn’t connect Winston Churchill with the Iron Curtain. I quoted somebody else here who brought up Churchill. My comment on the Iron Curtain has to do with the OP about why Alfie or parents can’t do X.