To rotate down that material, spirit is classified as another kind of matter, or better yet energy.

Just as there are 3 states of matter: liquid, solid, gas. So there are different kinds of energy, such as plasma which is called the 4th state of matter. Spirit has qualities of both matter and energy, but the work needed more modern experiments to verify and improve.

It basically means people have found a way to test the magical proclamations of the ancients in an experimental and materialistic fashion. No need for Star Wars, Star Trek, or Harry Potter. The ancient science has met the modern science in congruence.

As for consciousness, I suspect a reason for why people are looking around is that quantum neuroscience estimates that the brain cannot hold the sum total information that our memories hold. So they began postulating that the real us is somewhere outside of our physical bodies. The brain then becomes like a radio. It transmits the signals we get from this body back to the Source, like an avatar or remote control drone. The real processing center is somewhere else (the religions would call that the soul or spirit).

A person is in a coma not because his source is damaged, but because when you break a radio, it doesn’t pick up signals any more.

The nature of the soul and spirit are still being investigated by revolutionary scientists. One can read about peer reviewed studies in the paranormal here. http://www.peeranormal.com/

Oh… there’s a lot of stuff “scientists” don’t tell you about what is being reviewed and studied. They probably think the average masses won’t understand it or will be stupid enough as to be misled. I think people who live under priests called scientists, should read the original documentation and sources. WHy do you need priests to interpret the bible for you or rabbis for the Torah? Are humans not yet wise and smart enough to figure this out for themselves?

That’s why they write it in a foreign language with vocabulary that doesn’t make sense: to gate keep it away from the masses. Of course the masses also bear some shared responsibility for being lazy.

A whole lot of cosmic background radiation vocabulary being thrown around, kind of hard to rotate down for people that aren’t specialists or generalists.

Suffice it to say that the current scientific orthodoxy beliefs and theories like Einstein’s relativity, Newton’s theories, and the Big Bang have certain problems and weaknesses when exposed to new data concerning the universe: such as the Axis of Evil in Cosmic Background, that you can look up.

Newton had certain problems he never resolved with gravity, such as calculus problems with the Three Body Problem. Newton’s work only works for two bodies, like adding two vectors.

Einstein patched over Newton’s problems with General Relativity and Special Relativity + Time dilation. That however started getting hard to maintain due to quantum physics, entanglement, information traveling faster than light, etc. Now we have super string theory and dark matter/energy making up 98% of the mass of galaxies, which exists to patch up einstein’s problem.

Eventually this cobbled up cosmology is going to fall down.

To see a World in a Grain of Sand
And a Heaven in a Wild Flower
Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand
And Eternity in an hour . . .

. . .Some are Born to sweet delight
Some are Born to Endless Night
We are led to Believe a Lie
When we see not Thro the Eye
Which was Born in a Night to perish in a Night
When the Soul Slept in Beams of Light
God Appears & God is Light
To those poor Souls who dwell in Night
But does a Human Form Display
To those who Dwell in Realms of day

Humans and scientists probably thought they had this thing figured out…. hehe.

It’s all coming crashing down: this scientific consensus. They have no idea.

The nature of our reality.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzQ6gRAEoy0

Let’s see if people can comprehend that through the power of the spirit, even the Holy Spirit, instead of their logick and education. Let’s see if people dare.

As you can imagine I had to stop there and could go no further. But you know, to each his own.

Here is a link I found interesting on the “hard problem”. I’m not really sure why Stuart Hameroff thinks it’s the solution as to what consciousness is, or if he does. I need to watch it a couple more times to digest it properly. But it appears he thinks it might somehow locate it in a way that eliminativists cannot eliminate.

“Quantum Consciousness and its Nature In Microtubules.” Dr. Stuart Hameroff. See, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xx0SsffdMBw

Another approach is, http://edwardfeser.blogspot.com/2012/05/rosenberg-roundup.html

I don’t know that I really appreciate some of what is taken as the problem in defining consciousness. It seems to me that sentience is not an adequate synonym for what we mean by consciousness; and that it would be possible to have sentience without much memory or an appreciation of the self as a self, or any anxiety that the self should continue on in existence.

This leads me to think that what me mean when we refer to consciousness includes of necessity a kind of live buffer memory, sufficient to remember memories, and to remember that one is remembering – generating a sense of self. And I think that the biology underlying is too often ignored – the glandular generation of alerts and warnings which are taken note of and leave one with a feeling that this or that outcome is imperative relative to X and Y input … generating a sense of meaning.

In that sense the phenomenologists with all their annoying talk of anxiety, and concern and being-toward-death have something to contribute to a discussion on the subjective organization of the sense of self; wherein the registration of qualia becomes more than a registration and storage of information detected as emerging from a field of view, merely to be stored temporarily.

It is hard to imagine what “consciousness” as the mere and per se experience of uncontextualized qualia would look like to a being completely indifferent to its own moment to moment perpetuation, or to one incapable of storing data for more than a few moments, or to one devoid of “interests” in the form of “feeling” internally and biologically generated imperatives which seemingly rise to awareness from nowhere, only to be melded with outside data.

I guess there is still the question of where this “appreciation” or “apprehension” is located and what exactly what brain/mind act constitutes and accounts for this subjective and real time appreciation.

But that still will leave us asking: would a consciousness with no fear, no wants, no desire, no enduring memory and no sense of self, be what we generally mean by referring to acts of consciousness?

Hameroff has some really interesting comments on refresh rates that is probably highly relevant.

As a Christian, I understand that force to be the God of the Bible. God didn’t just create everything we see in the universe, but sustains it. Without His active involvement it would cease. The Bible describes the attributes of God as the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. Energy, Matter and the Non Material.
The relationship between the Father and the Son, is described in human terms so we can understand the relationship. We’re also told God is Light and while that is understood to be the guiding force showing us the path to a relationship with Him, He also is Energy and the Son is matter– taking on a material form, which will cloth Him forever.
The Holy Spirit describes the non-material nature of God. Does a memory have mass? Does conciousness?
The Bible describes us as non-material beings clothed in a material form, which is in harmony with our understanding of the world.

“… we are “the universe itself becoming aware.” … When did I first come upon that thought? I don’t know, but it was probably at least 50 years ago, and it was an ancient thought back then.”

You probably first came across that notion at least implicitly, in Lit class when studying the American transcendentalists.

Karl Marx, a materialist (at least insofar as you may say that because he denied dualism and the idea of the supernatural, he was a materialist) also spoke of man as the consciousness of the inorganic body – thus a kind of emergence of consciousness in the material world through the development of organic life of which it was a seamless, if dialectically subject, part.

Of course there are then at least two distinct idea at play here: 1, that consciousness is an accidental and emergent property of a pointless, intentionless, mindless material (or natural) process called “the universe”. Or 2, that consciousness is either (a) somehow built into the Universe in the rudimentary form of intentionality or teleology, possibly tracing back to a mind; or (b) that the Universe IS a mind or direct manifestation of it.

This of course does not cover all 31 flavors, but kind of gestures toward the main recipes.

By the way, I just looked up Baskin Robbins to make sure I got the original number of flavors right. And seeing a list of them, as well as the current ones, the original look way better to me.

They started with this sort

Black Walnut; Banana Nut Fudge; Chocolate Mint; Cherry Macaroon … which civilized people might enjoy

and now have this sort in order to appeal to elephants in shorts and sandals …

Oreo Cookies’n Cream; Reese’s Peanut Butter Cup; Honey Almond; Chocolate Chip Cookie Dough; Peanut Butter ’n Chocolate …

Which just goes to show that there is no such thing as “progressive” evolution.

Coming soon: Salt Pork ‘n Skittles; Coke ‘n GummyBears; Chocolate-cumin ‘n Frijoles.

” It struck me as profound and yet simple, as many profound ideas are …”

It’s hard to know with any certainty what we can with any certainty really know … about what we can ….