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		By: Frog		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[thomass: Sorry, but &quot;greater efficiency&quot; in mitochondria remains speculation, an unproven theory.  Which goes to re-emphasize my fundamental point: you need to really really know physiology and pathology before you can engage in reasoned speculation on those subjects.

The fact that you could (can you still?) engage in a &quot;semi-normal life&quot; is a tribute to the skill and knowledge of the docs who cared for you. They did not treat you with speculation.
I have added knowledge to the conversation. That you don&#039;t like it does not matter. Facts are facts.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thomass: Sorry, but &#8220;greater efficiency&#8221; in mitochondria remains speculation, an unproven theory.  Which goes to re-emphasize my fundamental point: you need to really really know physiology and pathology before you can engage in reasoned speculation on those subjects.</p>
<p>The fact that you could (can you still?) engage in a &#8220;semi-normal life&#8221; is a tribute to the skill and knowledge of the docs who cared for you. They did not treat you with speculation.<br />
I have added knowledge to the conversation. That you don&#8217;t like it does not matter. Facts are facts.</p>
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		By: thomass		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Mar 2018 19:50:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Frog; 

spare me. For someone criticizing a deficit of knowledge your not paying attention or adding anything to the conversation. We are not talking about exercise adding to efficiency. We were talking about evolution and theories about some people possibly having a genetic based greater efficiency in the mitochondria that can compensate for oxygen deficit.

As to medication, they are to help remodel the heart... to improve EF. If EF is 12%, in part due to just starting medication or failure to respond to medication... EF is 12%. You have a serious problem with a 12% EF. For many that means an inability to do very much. Medication will NOT improve your ability to walk around (it may help your heart function long term; but you won&#039;t get a boost just taking it). Some lower your blood pressure (as a side effect... so it might not be helping your energy level if it is dropping it very low), increase fatigue, et cetera... and probably add to the difficulty of working (while adding the possibility of improvement down the line). 

The fact that I could maintain a semi normal life probably did have something to do with greater efficiency... somewhere else in the system...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frog; </p>
<p>spare me. For someone criticizing a deficit of knowledge your not paying attention or adding anything to the conversation. We are not talking about exercise adding to efficiency. We were talking about evolution and theories about some people possibly having a genetic based greater efficiency in the mitochondria that can compensate for oxygen deficit.</p>
<p>As to medication, they are to help remodel the heart&#8230; to improve EF. If EF is 12%, in part due to just starting medication or failure to respond to medication&#8230; EF is 12%. You have a serious problem with a 12% EF. For many that means an inability to do very much. Medication will NOT improve your ability to walk around (it may help your heart function long term; but you won&#8217;t get a boost just taking it). Some lower your blood pressure (as a side effect&#8230; so it might not be helping your energy level if it is dropping it very low), increase fatigue, et cetera&#8230; and probably add to the difficulty of working (while adding the possibility of improvement down the line). </p>
<p>The fact that I could maintain a semi normal life probably did have something to do with greater efficiency&#8230; somewhere else in the system&#8230;</p>
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		By: Frog		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Mar 2018 16:08:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[There is a remarkable deficit in physiologic knowledge demonstrated in some comments here.
Example: Ymar&#039;s &quot;I was utilizing a significant amount of lower abdominal breathing. By demonstrating the maximum level of that technique, I think I might have put too much oxygen [sic] into my blood streams.&quot; [not how it works, Ymar!!]
&quot;Generally the legs require substantial oxygen when climbing up, which can pull blood oxygen from the brain. The brain soaks up a lot of blood oxygen in the process [really?] and limitations may be affected if the body decides the legs are more important.&quot; Ymar seems to believe the &quot;Body&quot; works like a CEO, allocating resources (O2 in this case) among organs, even in error. The implication is hikers become stupid due to O2 starvation of the brain in favor of legs. What is the &quot;Body&quot;, Ymar? Ever hear of anaerobic metabolism and its production of lactic acid?

&quot;thomass&quot; &#039; understanding of cardiac function is remarkably limited in its expression here.  It&#039;s pretty tough to exercise, putting a higher demand on a heart that cannot deliver. It is called congestive heart failure (CHF) for a reason: failure! Maybe medicines had something beneficial to do with supporting your walking around?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a remarkable deficit in physiologic knowledge demonstrated in some comments here.<br />
Example: Ymar&#8217;s &#8220;I was utilizing a significant amount of lower abdominal breathing. By demonstrating the maximum level of that technique, I think I might have put too much oxygen [sic] into my blood streams.&#8221; [not how it works, Ymar!!]<br />
&#8220;Generally the legs require substantial oxygen when climbing up, which can pull blood oxygen from the brain. The brain soaks up a lot of blood oxygen in the process [really?] and limitations may be affected if the body decides the legs are more important.&#8221; Ymar seems to believe the &#8220;Body&#8221; works like a CEO, allocating resources (O2 in this case) among organs, even in error. The implication is hikers become stupid due to O2 starvation of the brain in favor of legs. What is the &#8220;Body&#8221;, Ymar? Ever hear of anaerobic metabolism and its production of lactic acid?</p>
<p>&#8220;thomass&#8221; &#8216; understanding of cardiac function is remarkably limited in its expression here.  It&#8217;s pretty tough to exercise, putting a higher demand on a heart that cannot deliver. It is called congestive heart failure (CHF) for a reason: failure! Maybe medicines had something beneficial to do with supporting your walking around?</p>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Mar 2018 04:44:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;lowlanders?&quot;

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;lowlanders?&#8221;</p>
<p>Them lowlanders have been up here again.</p>
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		By: thomass		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Mar 2018 03:44:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[makes sense. I have heart failure and for a time my EF was down to 12%... and I kept my full time job where I have to walk around all day. So; yeah.. Some people can handle oxygen transport more efficiently than others..]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>makes sense. I have heart failure and for a time my EF was down to 12%&#8230; and I kept my full time job where I have to walk around all day. So; yeah.. Some people can handle oxygen transport more efficiently than others..</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[Also, for a while the host had somehow inadvertently disabled my spam filter, so some spam got through.  That has supposedly been fixed.

Lots of fun.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, for a while the host had somehow inadvertently disabled my spam filter, so some spam got through.  That has supposedly been fixed.</p>
<p>Lots of fun.</p>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Mar 2018 01:42:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Mar 2018 21:34:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I can’t seem to post on this blog right now. It’s very very disturbing.

In the meantime I’m putting this message on all my newer posts to alert people that for now I’ll be posting at the new site. So follow &lt;a href=&quot;https://thenewneo.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this link&lt;/a&gt; for further updates.

I sincerely hope this problem will be fixed soon, but I have no idea whether it will be possible. At any rate, the new blog is still operating very well (for now), and I can always post there. So for now, consider that the place to go to read my work.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can’t seem to post on this blog right now. It’s very very disturbing.</p>
<p>In the meantime I’m putting this message on all my newer posts to alert people that for now I’ll be posting at the new site. So follow <a href="https://thenewneo.com/" rel="nofollow">this link</a> for further updates.</p>
<p>I sincerely hope this problem will be fixed soon, but I have no idea whether it will be possible. At any rate, the new blog is still operating very well (for now), and I can always post there. So for now, consider that the place to go to read my work.</p>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Mar 2018 17:18:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Doing research on a mountain or underground on test subjects also includes in the parameters the cirrcadian cycle, present in the cryptocells behind our eyes.

If one wanted to isolate the variables down, then artificial de-compression chambers provide more isolated results. The experiments would be limited to only those variables however.

The article noted that there was a concern with costs. Plus unless those chambers are the size of the Deep UnderGround Military bases such as Cheyenne Mountain, it will be hard to accommodate enough individuals at once to ensure there are no unintended contamination of the data.

&lt;b&gt;His body had became hypoxic and his oxygen-starved brain began to swell.&lt;/b&gt;

I went up 1-2 miles on a local mountain. It wasn&#039;t so bad, even though I don&#039;t usually exercise outdoors. One of the other hikers in my group was even more unused to it, apparently, and seemed to suffer from lack of oxygen. I was utilizing a significant amount of lower abdominal breathing. By demonstrating the maximum level of that technique, I think I might have put too much oxygen into my blood streams.

Generally the legs require substantial oxygen when climbing up, which can pull blood oxygen from the brain. The brain soaks up a lot of blood oxygen in the process and limitations may be affected if the body decides the legs are more important. Besides, it&#039;s hard to circulate and recalculate the blood balance without certain breathing techniques to artificially and manually cycle the blood throughout the cells.

The Far East has an interesting name for breathing techniques that forcibly remove toxins from bone, marrow, and flesh. It was derived from a Buddhist traveling monk that founded the Chinese Shaolin Buddhist temple, that came from India. He was carrying an ancient secretive technique called the Bone Marrow washing technique, which sounds rather cryptic but is easily integrated by Western practitioners.


Jesus was not the first nor the last to come across ancient physical and spiritual cultivation methods that boosted one&#039;s capabilities. 

&lt;b&gt;This is a piece of journalism, not of science. As such, it is fish wrap.&lt;/b&gt;

There&#039;s the popular presentation of science and then there&#039;s the dark hidden underside of what&#039;s really going on in peer review.

https://www.counterpunch.org/2013/12/13/the-peer-review-hypocrisy/

&lt;b&gt;Then, a confession, and a pledge.  “Like many successful researchers, I have published in the big brands, including the papers that won me the Nobel Prize for medicine, which I will be honoured to collect tomorrow. But no longer. I have now committed my lab to avoiding luxury journals, and I encourage others to do likewise.”  The pointed suggestion here is that such luxury journals damage science the way the banksters have damaged finance and banking.

These gripes are standard and hard to fault. Nature, Science and Cell have popular pitches, claiming to drive the pioneer’s vehicle into uncharted waters. That said, the dirt under the nails is not regarded as important.  Glamour is what wins over, chic science, the sort that makes a splash. Editorial inclinations feed author expectations — a vicious cycle is thereby created&lt;/b&gt;

Historically I find it interesting that revolutionary successes that have pushed the boundaries of human limits have almost always been performed by the feats of a single person: usually called crazy, insane, or ostracized. We were told, presumably, that Western success was built on the shoulders of giants. What they didn&#039;t tell us was how so many of the &quot;peers&quot; of those giants didn&#039;t appreciate the work at the time, given the competition. Why is it like that, one might ask; are not scientists our new heroes and Western superstars plus priests?

Because they are human and much akin to the other trash produced by humans.

For those interested in more background and research on this topic, use the search phrase &quot;Ridiculed science mavericks vindicated&quot; from amasci dot com.

It would be so much easier for this Ymar to trust in Western priests claiming to be the scientific authority if I hadn&#039;t learned all the hidden underlining events and forces at work. They don&#039;t tell the public this because honestly the public can&#039;t handle the truth. Nor have people earnestly wished and desired for the truth to set them free. Slavery is preferred over anything that unsettles the popular scientific consensus.

&lt;b&gt;“What excites me is that we are witnessing human evolution here,” Murray continues, “It’s happened over thousands of years, but that’s quite recent in a human time frame. And it’s associated with gains in performance.”&lt;/b&gt;

That&#039;s a natural conclusion for a secular scientist to jump to. Wrong, but natural.

Notice how Murray conflates his research results on the Sherpa&#039;s DNA traits, as being equivalent to Darwin&#039;s micro or modern macro evolution ideas. Scientists are human thus they have pet theories and presuppositions they don&#039;t know that they have.

&lt;b&gt;And the biology of metabolism is highly complex&lt;/b&gt;

Wait until they figure out sunlight and EM fields effect on human metabolism. They won&#039;t know what hit them.

&lt;b&gt;AesopFan Says: 
March 16th, 2018 at 4:02 pm
I would think this kind of research could also have benefits for space exploration&lt;/b&gt;

Ever see the permed hair videos of the ISS NASA astros on youtube?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doing research on a mountain or underground on test subjects also includes in the parameters the cirrcadian cycle, present in the cryptocells behind our eyes.</p>
<p>If one wanted to isolate the variables down, then artificial de-compression chambers provide more isolated results. The experiments would be limited to only those variables however.</p>
<p>The article noted that there was a concern with costs. Plus unless those chambers are the size of the Deep UnderGround Military bases such as Cheyenne Mountain, it will be hard to accommodate enough individuals at once to ensure there are no unintended contamination of the data.</p>
<p><b>His body had became hypoxic and his oxygen-starved brain began to swell.</b></p>
<p>I went up 1-2 miles on a local mountain. It wasn&#8217;t so bad, even though I don&#8217;t usually exercise outdoors. One of the other hikers in my group was even more unused to it, apparently, and seemed to suffer from lack of oxygen. I was utilizing a significant amount of lower abdominal breathing. By demonstrating the maximum level of that technique, I think I might have put too much oxygen into my blood streams.</p>
<p>Generally the legs require substantial oxygen when climbing up, which can pull blood oxygen from the brain. The brain soaks up a lot of blood oxygen in the process and limitations may be affected if the body decides the legs are more important. Besides, it&#8217;s hard to circulate and recalculate the blood balance without certain breathing techniques to artificially and manually cycle the blood throughout the cells.</p>
<p>The Far East has an interesting name for breathing techniques that forcibly remove toxins from bone, marrow, and flesh. It was derived from a Buddhist traveling monk that founded the Chinese Shaolin Buddhist temple, that came from India. He was carrying an ancient secretive technique called the Bone Marrow washing technique, which sounds rather cryptic but is easily integrated by Western practitioners.</p>
<p>Jesus was not the first nor the last to come across ancient physical and spiritual cultivation methods that boosted one&#8217;s capabilities. </p>
<p><b>This is a piece of journalism, not of science. As such, it is fish wrap.</b></p>
<p>There&#8217;s the popular presentation of science and then there&#8217;s the dark hidden underside of what&#8217;s really going on in peer review.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.counterpunch.org/2013/12/13/the-peer-review-hypocrisy/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.counterpunch.org/2013/12/13/the-peer-review-hypocrisy/</a></p>
<p><b>Then, a confession, and a pledge.  “Like many successful researchers, I have published in the big brands, including the papers that won me the Nobel Prize for medicine, which I will be honoured to collect tomorrow. But no longer. I have now committed my lab to avoiding luxury journals, and I encourage others to do likewise.”  The pointed suggestion here is that such luxury journals damage science the way the banksters have damaged finance and banking.</p>
<p>These gripes are standard and hard to fault. Nature, Science and Cell have popular pitches, claiming to drive the pioneer’s vehicle into uncharted waters. That said, the dirt under the nails is not regarded as important.  Glamour is what wins over, chic science, the sort that makes a splash. Editorial inclinations feed author expectations — a vicious cycle is thereby created</b></p>
<p>Historically I find it interesting that revolutionary successes that have pushed the boundaries of human limits have almost always been performed by the feats of a single person: usually called crazy, insane, or ostracized. We were told, presumably, that Western success was built on the shoulders of giants. What they didn&#8217;t tell us was how so many of the &#8220;peers&#8221; of those giants didn&#8217;t appreciate the work at the time, given the competition. Why is it like that, one might ask; are not scientists our new heroes and Western superstars plus priests?</p>
<p>Because they are human and much akin to the other trash produced by humans.</p>
<p>For those interested in more background and research on this topic, use the search phrase &#8220;Ridiculed science mavericks vindicated&#8221; from amasci dot com.</p>
<p>It would be so much easier for this Ymar to trust in Western priests claiming to be the scientific authority if I hadn&#8217;t learned all the hidden underlining events and forces at work. They don&#8217;t tell the public this because honestly the public can&#8217;t handle the truth. Nor have people earnestly wished and desired for the truth to set them free. Slavery is preferred over anything that unsettles the popular scientific consensus.</p>
<p><b>“What excites me is that we are witnessing human evolution here,” Murray continues, “It’s happened over thousands of years, but that’s quite recent in a human time frame. And it’s associated with gains in performance.”</b></p>
<p>That&#8217;s a natural conclusion for a secular scientist to jump to. Wrong, but natural.</p>
<p>Notice how Murray conflates his research results on the Sherpa&#8217;s DNA traits, as being equivalent to Darwin&#8217;s micro or modern macro evolution ideas. Scientists are human thus they have pet theories and presuppositions they don&#8217;t know that they have.</p>
<p><b>And the biology of metabolism is highly complex</b></p>
<p>Wait until they figure out sunlight and EM fields effect on human metabolism. They won&#8217;t know what hit them.</p>
<p><b>AesopFan Says:<br />
March 16th, 2018 at 4:02 pm<br />
I would think this kind of research could also have benefits for space exploration</b></p>
<p>Ever see the permed hair videos of the ISS NASA astros on youtube?</p>
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