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		By: Sam L.		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sam L.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Mar 2018 18:18:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Noooooooooooooooooo.  You don&#039;t say.  You DON&#039;T say.  You don&#039;t SAY!  (h/t, Spike Jones, &quot;Chloe&quot;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Noooooooooooooooooo.  You don&#8217;t say.  You DON&#8217;T say.  You don&#8217;t SAY!  (h/t, Spike Jones, &#8220;Chloe&#8221;.</p>
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		By: Frog		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Mar 2018 16:20:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I agree with vanderleun (3/16 @8:08pm). The evidence is vast. To think otherwise is to be touched by a dose of denial.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with vanderleun (3/16 @8:08pm). The evidence is vast. To think otherwise is to be touched by a dose of denial.</p>
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		By: Sorta Blogless Sunday Pinup &#187; Pirate&#039;s Cove		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Mar 2018 12:59:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] neo-neocon covers the Gina Haspel &#8220;fake, but inaccurate&#8221; torture story [&#8230;]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] neo-neocon covers the Gina Haspel &#8220;fake, but inaccurate&#8221; torture story [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Mar 2018 21:35:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I can’t seem to post on this blog right now. It’s very very disturbing.

In the meantime I’m putting this message on all my newer posts to alert people that for now I’ll be posting at the new site. So follow &lt;a href=&quot;https://thenewneo.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this link&lt;/a&gt; for further updates.

I sincerely hope this problem will be fixed soon, but I have no idea whether it will be possible. At any rate, the new blog is still operating very well (for now), and I can always post there. So for now, consider that the place to go to read my work.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can’t seem to post on this blog right now. It’s very very disturbing.</p>
<p>In the meantime I’m putting this message on all my newer posts to alert people that for now I’ll be posting at the new site. So follow <a href="https://thenewneo.com/" rel="nofollow">this link</a> for further updates.</p>
<p>I sincerely hope this problem will be fixed soon, but I have no idea whether it will be possible. At any rate, the new blog is still operating very well (for now), and I can always post there. So for now, consider that the place to go to read my work.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Mar 2018 20:54:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Also, waterboarding should not work on religious true believers. Which means I suspect that much of AQ’s higher ups and higher level Western educated agents are not true believers…&quot;

I can&#039;t say it&#039;s true of 100% of captured jihadis, but a great number of the top level (bin-Laden, etc) have their hide-outs full of Islamic &quot;contraband&quot; (porn, usually, but also alcohol).
They believe in their own right to power, and will use Allah as an accomplice if necessary.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Also, waterboarding should not work on religious true believers. Which means I suspect that much of AQ’s higher ups and higher level Western educated agents are not true believers…&#8221;</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t say it&#8217;s true of 100% of captured jihadis, but a great number of the top level (bin-Laden, etc) have their hide-outs full of Islamic &#8220;contraband&#8221; (porn, usually, but also alcohol).<br />
They believe in their own right to power, and will use Allah as an accomplice if necessary.</p>
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		By: NeoConScum		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Mar 2018 20:54:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I have a request for our new CIA Director designee:
Can Joy Behar &#038; Woopie be guests at the Black Site of my choice?? No boarding necessary.    However, they&#039;ll be forced to read vast quantities of books &#038; articles by Norman &#038; John Podhoretz, Robert Conquest, Bernard Lewis, Robert Sowell, Victor Davis Hanson, Andrew McCarthy, Jean Kaufman, etc, etc. 
Upside: They&#039;ll be exposed to the unaccustomed horror of THOUGHT.
Further Upside: They&#039;ll beg for mere Waterboarding.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a request for our new CIA Director designee:<br />
Can Joy Behar &amp; Woopie be guests at the Black Site of my choice?? No boarding necessary.    However, they&#8217;ll be forced to read vast quantities of books &amp; articles by Norman &amp; John Podhoretz, Robert Conquest, Bernard Lewis, Robert Sowell, Victor Davis Hanson, Andrew McCarthy, Jean Kaufman, etc, etc.<br />
Upside: They&#8217;ll be exposed to the unaccustomed horror of THOUGHT.<br />
Further Upside: They&#8217;ll beg for mere Waterboarding.</p>
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		By: DNW		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Mar 2018 18:57:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I will not be long before technology renders physical torture irrelevant.

It will be at that point , when technicians are able to electronically yet painlessly compel someone to truthfully answer a question, or simply extract the data from their brain, - perhaps at a distance and without their even realizing it - that the political cover which a revulsion for physical pain provides to enemy sympathizers, will fade away.

And at that point, they will be reduced to parroting human dignity arguments, and 4th amendment style arguments on behalf of captured terrorists.

This will be an interesting development. And as the technology grows in power, and you are able to scan another from a distance and determine how obnoxious or beneficial that person has the capability of being if admitted into your life-circle, all hell is likely to break loose ... as, after all, &quot;No child wants to be left behind ...&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will not be long before technology renders physical torture irrelevant.</p>
<p>It will be at that point , when technicians are able to electronically yet painlessly compel someone to truthfully answer a question, or simply extract the data from their brain, &#8211; perhaps at a distance and without their even realizing it &#8211; that the political cover which a revulsion for physical pain provides to enemy sympathizers, will fade away.</p>
<p>And at that point, they will be reduced to parroting human dignity arguments, and 4th amendment style arguments on behalf of captured terrorists.</p>
<p>This will be an interesting development. And as the technology grows in power, and you are able to scan another from a distance and determine how obnoxious or beneficial that person has the capability of being if admitted into your life-circle, all hell is likely to break loose &#8230; as, after all, &#8220;No child wants to be left behind &#8230;&#8221;</p>
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		By: NeoConScum		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Mar 2018 18:45:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Aaahhhh... Poor, poor Islamist Butchers of the mass-murder of innocents variety!! Poor, old Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, designer of the mass-murder of 3,000 inncents on 9/11. He sang like a songbird after sufficient waterboarding. Go, Gina!! 

Are the Lefty Thought Police against the waterboarding at the notorious Black Site SEAL School on Coronado Island, San Diego?!?!

Never mind. Rhetorical question.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aaahhhh&#8230; Poor, poor Islamist Butchers of the mass-murder of innocents variety!! Poor, old Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, designer of the mass-murder of 3,000 inncents on 9/11. He sang like a songbird after sufficient waterboarding. Go, Gina!! </p>
<p>Are the Lefty Thought Police against the waterboarding at the notorious Black Site SEAL School on Coronado Island, San Diego?!?!</p>
<p>Never mind. Rhetorical question.</p>
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		By: Ymar Sakar		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ymar Sakar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Mar 2018 17:39:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;Rand Paul needs to get a grip on reality sometime soon, but (cut him some slack) he has been through rough times lately.&lt;/b&gt;

He&#039;s a Libertarian, so how much slack do these libertines need?

Also, Aesop, you may know someone called Joseph Smith jr given your background. That person was in jail for something or other, for a few months. The conditions of that particular jail was well suited for mind cracking and mind washing techniques.

Also, waterboarding should not work on religious true believers. Which means I suspect that much of AQ&#039;s higher ups and higher level Western educated agents are not true believers...

Crucifixion doesn&#039;t even work on the true disciples, I seriously doubt a little waterboard every day for a few weeks will do it. One should certainly last a few more times than &quot;3&quot;, in order to pay respect to their god.

The anti Japanese agents in WW2, were sometimes captured and remained unbroken at times. Some of them didn&#039;t even have religious zeal, just general human principles of duty and loyalty backing them up. 

Later, more modern Korean/Vietnamese/Soviet methods began research on mind cracking or what is known as brainwashing. Instead of trying to break a person&#039;s will through pain or duress, the long term period is utilized to crack that&#039;s person&#039;s belief system, turning them into a Jane Fonda or John Kerry. Then you don&#039;t have to make them help you, they will happily betray their faction or country or whatever.

Destroy a person&#039;s beliefs and turn it around, and they become your agent or puppet. Much more useful than discarding various prisoners after interrogation because they &quot;broke&quot;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Rand Paul needs to get a grip on reality sometime soon, but (cut him some slack) he has been through rough times lately.</b></p>
<p>He&#8217;s a Libertarian, so how much slack do these libertines need?</p>
<p>Also, Aesop, you may know someone called Joseph Smith jr given your background. That person was in jail for something or other, for a few months. The conditions of that particular jail was well suited for mind cracking and mind washing techniques.</p>
<p>Also, waterboarding should not work on religious true believers. Which means I suspect that much of AQ&#8217;s higher ups and higher level Western educated agents are not true believers&#8230;</p>
<p>Crucifixion doesn&#8217;t even work on the true disciples, I seriously doubt a little waterboard every day for a few weeks will do it. One should certainly last a few more times than &#8220;3&#8221;, in order to pay respect to their god.</p>
<p>The anti Japanese agents in WW2, were sometimes captured and remained unbroken at times. Some of them didn&#8217;t even have religious zeal, just general human principles of duty and loyalty backing them up. </p>
<p>Later, more modern Korean/Vietnamese/Soviet methods began research on mind cracking or what is known as brainwashing. Instead of trying to break a person&#8217;s will through pain or duress, the long term period is utilized to crack that&#8217;s person&#8217;s belief system, turning them into a Jane Fonda or John Kerry. Then you don&#8217;t have to make them help you, they will happily betray their faction or country or whatever.</p>
<p>Destroy a person&#8217;s beliefs and turn it around, and they become your agent or puppet. Much more useful than discarding various prisoners after interrogation because they &#8220;broke&#8221;.</p>
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		By: Ymar Sakar		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ymar Sakar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Mar 2018 17:30:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;(though I have met people who wouldn’t dream of having a tooth drilled without anesthetic be pro-torture, which I find somewhat baffling).&lt;/b&gt;

That&#039;s because people who have low pain thresholds know exactly how long they can last under the regular routine of an interrogation pattern.

They also, suspect, that they won&#039;t be able to just lie their way out of it, because some of them are smart enough to realize that interrogators can always ask them questions that the interrogators know that you should know the answers to... especially when the interrogators know what that answer is.

Getting caught in a few lies and losing an eye, a finger, or some other very essential to your mortal life on earth, tends not to be a popular thing with regular civilians that have low pain thresholds on top of that.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>(though I have met people who wouldn’t dream of having a tooth drilled without anesthetic be pro-torture, which I find somewhat baffling).</b></p>
<p>That&#8217;s because people who have low pain thresholds know exactly how long they can last under the regular routine of an interrogation pattern.</p>
<p>They also, suspect, that they won&#8217;t be able to just lie their way out of it, because some of them are smart enough to realize that interrogators can always ask them questions that the interrogators know that you should know the answers to&#8230; especially when the interrogators know what that answer is.</p>
<p>Getting caught in a few lies and losing an eye, a finger, or some other very essential to your mortal life on earth, tends not to be a popular thing with regular civilians that have low pain thresholds on top of that.</p>
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