I think its far better to put the case like this. Yes, Russia intervened. Why? Because they despised Clinton and saw here as a threat. Did their efforts decide the election? Not really. Were they doing it all for Trump’s benefit? No.

I mean, did the Russians really expect a Trump victory? I doubt it. What they wanted was a divided America when Clinton took office, which would have happened anyway. They were just fanning the fire. All of this is just gravy for them.

Seen as the person he IS. Seen as the thug he IS.

(Don’t forget the weaponization of Federal agencies and Departments against Americans opposed to Obama’s policies, and all the lying, deception, allegations and posturing used to rationalize his deceiving of the citizenry—though, to be sure, many were so very eager to be deceived—and his trampling on the Constitution.)

But it’s true. This must be the first time in US history when a previous administration (and the current political opposition), together with huge swaths of the media and academia (and Hollywood!?) is trying to take down, to subvert, to destroy, the sitting president who—somehow—won the election that he was NOT supposed to win.

Yes. No less than subverting the sitting president. All for the “right” reasons, of course…. (As they carefully peruse their newly-discovered Orwells….)

Americans haven’t even figured out what the Dems did to Nixon or what the FBI and COINTELPRO did to Nixon, and Luther, and so forth…

If it wasn’t for the Alt Right, intel analysts, and internet propagation, Americans would still be in the dark, believing in their Cronkites. People will believe whatever they are told, and at least for Trum, half the country keeps falling for it, at least.

The biggest irony and also a source of rage for Putin, is that while Russia is trying to nationalize without marxism, the US is starting to use the same tricks as the KGB on Russia as they did to us (THE USA) in the Cold War.

Set up Islamic jihad organizations to weaken US interests in Israel, Russian interests in Syria, check.

How long are American patriots going to ignore and tolerate the treason of the Demoncrats in the US? Are they going to wait as long as Lincoln did…

That too has been the subject of much snickering among the Washington elite, who were sure the government would not engage in eavesdropping on an American citizen, especially a high-level (President-elect) official.

I suspect they were snickering because many of them knew how many Republicans they had taken out with the same trick. Some of them even knew that they were spying on Nixon and that’s how they were able to manipulate the media into catching Nixon in a contradiction.

They were never able to prove that Nixon ordered illegal break ins. What Nixon wanted was evidence that the Democrats were receiving foreign (Russian) contributions that were illegal. Because Nixon suspected his enemies had already stolen one election from him. The one who made that order or setup, was part of the FBI and also Bern’s anonymous source. It was quite the perfect setup.

There was one other bit of bureaucratic infighting that Comey engaged in that has never (to my knowledge) been remarked upon: he told Trump that he was not a subject of FBI investigation without telling the rest of the country. He did so knowing Trump would tweet that bit of information and thus appear to be fabricating information. Comey could have announced that to the world without briefing Trump personally, but that would not have resulted in the tweet, which looked at the time like a Trump fantasy.

Later the head of the NSA told Trump that his Trump Tower headquarters was “bugged” and Trump moved headquarters after announcing he had been bugged. That too has been the subject of much snickering among the Washington elite, who were sure the government would not engage in eavesdropping on an American citizen, especially a high-level (President-elect) official. But that has now been all but confirmed.

The manner in which the Obama administration acted illegally will likely never be plumbed in full, partly because the ruling class does not want to believe it, partly because they believe it and just don’t want Obama to be seen as the person he was: someone who was wiling to use the organs of government against the succeeding administration.

The FIRST thing that popped into my head was KGB// FSB deceit.

I don’t know how anything could be more transparent.

Steele comes off as a TOTAL dufus.

As do every other idiot in the chain of transmission.

They must be dying from laughter in Moscow. Can there be any doubt?

It’s all about the context. 70% of human language bandwidth is in body language (near non existent here), 20% is in voice tones (also non existent), and the word meanings account for the 10%.

That’s why when there is a difference in word interpretation in online text, it doesn’t go anywhere, even after it is cleared up.

Americans were told by the Cronkite and MSM propagandists, that the patriotic anti war Americans were organizing marches. It is to be expected that most people believed it, even though some of them agreed with the war rather than disagreed with the political aims in vogue.

To them living in the weed smoke and sexual liberation of the 60s and 70s, what the nation told them was the truth, what Cronkite said was equal to gold. The idea that their entire emotional and mental framework and paradigm had been engineered by foreign forces… that’s not something the proud America would admit even if evidence hit them in the face. There’s a big difference to believing that the Tea Party is astroturf vs grassroots. A grassroots organization of patriots is seeking the benefit of their nation and families. An AstroTurf organization of patriots is just a box full of tools and useful idiots.

is this a list of fallacies or left wing ideology explained?

Whatever term I used (and I was not previously aware of any distinction between the two terms) I most definitely meant disinformation, a purposeful and typical operation of the Russian government to mislead and cause trouble.

I had absolutely no intention to hide that fact or whitewash it in any way, and I am well aware of the general history of that in Russia. I was unaware, however, of the difference between the two terms.

And by the way, even as a young person I was aware of the existence of front groups, because of the activities of some pro-Soviet pro-Communist relatives of mine. I didn’t know the extent of the whole thing, of course.