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		By: Artfl		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2018 00:18:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[A 38-year-old] woman, who isn’t a Queen’s student, stood on one of the building’s window ledges. Police said in their news release that she then started to bang on the window causing it break.

    Once handcuffed the woman became violent and started kicking one officer. Additional officers responded to take the woman to police headquarters, but on the way there she tried to kick out the cruiser’s window.

    Once at police headquarters the woman refused to walk on her own and continued to be uncooperative. Police said that she bit one of the officers and had to be physically carried into her cell as she continued to be violent.

&lt;b&gt;Police searched her backpack and inside they found a weapon inside. Commonly known as a garrote, the weapon consists of metal wire with handles on each end.&lt;/b&gt;

-- disrupted a Jordan Peterson lecture against compelled speech at Queen’s University in Kingston, Ontario]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[A 38-year-old] woman, who isn’t a Queen’s student, stood on one of the building’s window ledges. Police said in their news release that she then started to bang on the window causing it break.</p>
<p>    Once handcuffed the woman became violent and started kicking one officer. Additional officers responded to take the woman to police headquarters, but on the way there she tried to kick out the cruiser’s window.</p>
<p>    Once at police headquarters the woman refused to walk on her own and continued to be uncooperative. Police said that she bit one of the officers and had to be physically carried into her cell as she continued to be violent.</p>
<p><b>Police searched her backpack and inside they found a weapon inside. Commonly known as a garrote, the weapon consists of metal wire with handles on each end.</b></p>
<p>&#8212; disrupted a Jordan Peterson lecture against compelled speech at Queen’s University in Kingston, Ontario</p>
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		By: Surellin		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2018 14:45:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The Nazis promised a place for everyone.  At least, everyone who was one of US, not people of different races or whatever.  It was probably a very satisfying creed for a people who had been buffeted by war and Depression and desperately needed to find a reason for that experience.  Take a look at the Nazi Socialist Program, which contains their goals.  Being against banks, they condemned usury.  Being against big department stores, they defended small shops.  Etc.  Very progressive, I&#039;d say.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Nazis promised a place for everyone.  At least, everyone who was one of US, not people of different races or whatever.  It was probably a very satisfying creed for a people who had been buffeted by war and Depression and desperately needed to find a reason for that experience.  Take a look at the Nazi Socialist Program, which contains their goals.  Being against banks, they condemned usury.  Being against big department stores, they defended small shops.  Etc.  Very progressive, I&#8217;d say.</p>
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		By: Ymar Sakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2018/03/05/jordan-peterson-on-postmodernism/#comment-2375087</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2018 18:40:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[https://soundcloud.com/tristin-john-hopper/recording-of-meeting-between-lindsay-shepherd-and-wilfrid-laurier-university-professors

Post Modernism sounds like the perfect antithesis that leads to the Last Days thesis of one world religion.

Consider Cloward Piven strategies. The best way to obtain a one world religion under say, the Vatican, is to create a post modern world that collapses on its own ideological barren dystopia...

Religion is going to hit a new high in State Totalitarianism. That&#039;s because the demand will go up. When demand goes up, the market seeks to meet it by raising the supply. However, some of these suppliers are megalomaniacs.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="https://soundcloud.com/tristin-john-hopper/recording-of-meeting-between-lindsay-shepherd-and-wilfrid-laurier-university-professors" rel="nofollow ugc">https://soundcloud.com/tristin-john-hopper/recording-of-meeting-between-lindsay-shepherd-and-wilfrid-laurier-university-professors</a></p>
<p>Post Modernism sounds like the perfect antithesis that leads to the Last Days thesis of one world religion.</p>
<p>Consider Cloward Piven strategies. The best way to obtain a one world religion under say, the Vatican, is to create a post modern world that collapses on its own ideological barren dystopia&#8230;</p>
<p>Religion is going to hit a new high in State Totalitarianism. That&#8217;s because the demand will go up. When demand goes up, the market seeks to meet it by raising the supply. However, some of these suppliers are megalomaniacs.</p>
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		By: Ymar Sakar		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2018 18:21:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Nazi beliefs were partially derived from world wide fascism, which included US slavery 2.0 proponents and eugenicists like Margaret Sanger.

Nazi true believers, the upper echelon not the cannonfodder at the bottom, also believed in the existence of supernatural entities and powers. Some of which the Nazi scientists the US imported (thousands upon thousands upon thousands), reported that their superior tech came from outside help.

Communism derived their modus operandi from Western philosophers, the Enlightenment, and probably Jesuit liberal arts &quot;knowledge vs knowledge&quot; plus Counter Reformation concepts. Thus Communism or Marxism, is the direct heir of the Western Enlightenment: everything was modern, up to date, and superstitious beliefs in gods were wiped out. Mao did the same to the traditions of China. What one sees as the main land of China is merely a decrepit shadow if its former self, much as Christianity is a mere shadow of its former original self. It took China so many decades to modernize and become westernized, because the very core of Marxism is to Westernize a country and dispel all traditional superstitious or just any traditional belief system by replacing it. The State is merely a convenient necessity, because they cannot transform China or Russia, without a powerful State keeping the rebels down.

The methods Nazis and fascists and communists use are generally about the same. They serve Lucifer more or less, even if they think they are serving some other goal or entity.

That is why Alinsky and Ayers, if you look at their modus operandi, are basically the same. And the people controllers and mind control Leftists, are the same. Their alliances are different. There&#039;s the Deep State hierarchy and combination, as well as the Leftist alliance which is also a combination of diverse and disparate groups and interests.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nazi beliefs were partially derived from world wide fascism, which included US slavery 2.0 proponents and eugenicists like Margaret Sanger.</p>
<p>Nazi true believers, the upper echelon not the cannonfodder at the bottom, also believed in the existence of supernatural entities and powers. Some of which the Nazi scientists the US imported (thousands upon thousands upon thousands), reported that their superior tech came from outside help.</p>
<p>Communism derived their modus operandi from Western philosophers, the Enlightenment, and probably Jesuit liberal arts &#8220;knowledge vs knowledge&#8221; plus Counter Reformation concepts. Thus Communism or Marxism, is the direct heir of the Western Enlightenment: everything was modern, up to date, and superstitious beliefs in gods were wiped out. Mao did the same to the traditions of China. What one sees as the main land of China is merely a decrepit shadow if its former self, much as Christianity is a mere shadow of its former original self. It took China so many decades to modernize and become westernized, because the very core of Marxism is to Westernize a country and dispel all traditional superstitious or just any traditional belief system by replacing it. The State is merely a convenient necessity, because they cannot transform China or Russia, without a powerful State keeping the rebels down.</p>
<p>The methods Nazis and fascists and communists use are generally about the same. They serve Lucifer more or less, even if they think they are serving some other goal or entity.</p>
<p>That is why Alinsky and Ayers, if you look at their modus operandi, are basically the same. And the people controllers and mind control Leftists, are the same. Their alliances are different. There&#8217;s the Deep State hierarchy and combination, as well as the Leftist alliance which is also a combination of diverse and disparate groups and interests.</p>
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		By: DNW		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2018/03/05/jordan-peterson-on-postmodernism/#comment-2375071</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2018 15:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot; It really explains their seemingly irrational use of pejoratives and ad hominems. Reading that, it suddenly struck me as to why Trump drives them crazy: he is turning their weapon against them as he also uses language as a weapon. &quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;


It&#039;s interesting that conservatives (I am not referring to anyone here) have finally begun to face this &lt;b&gt;in a big way&lt;/b&gt;, despite having presumably seen some of the same kinds things take place in the 1960s as leftist radicals hijacked common terms and twisted them ... or even earlier I suppose, cite: George Orwell.

But complete cynicism as to the possibility of objective communication, or as to the status of the possibility of anything approaching objectivity in communication does seem to have developed after that; as nearly all communication became according to certain interpretive principles mere rhetoric .. a kind of bleating or vocalization the purpose of which was merely to induce another to act in some way the emitter desired ... or felt it desired.

I don&#039;t quite understand what took so long for this awareness to arise. Because, references to &quot;deconstruction&quot; and its pernicious effects, and the philosophy (or philosophical anthropology which guided it) were pretty commonly made in newspapers over 20 years ago.

Maybe people just couldn&#039;t, or simply were not forced to, confront it.

I remember reading Vincent B. Leitch&#039;s  &quot;Deconstruction, an Advanced Introduction&quot; (1982) in the early &#039;90&#039;s and sharing some of what I had read with others, who were either baffled or horrified.  Kind of like some may have felt reading The Genealogy of Morals for the first time. An almost vertigo inducing experience.

One middle aged man in particular reacted to the anti-logocentric stance of the deconstructionists as I described it, as if he had literally heard me announcing the contents of the mind of the Devil.

And in some ways it might have been.

In any event, Leitch&#039;s book does not seem to have gotten the attention I think it deserves: generating hostility from both those who think Leitch is an apologist for an intellectual evil, and those postmodernism sympathizers who would try and nitpick his survey - for that is what it really is, a survey - apart.

Lot&#039;s of emotional investment all around ...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>&#8221; It really explains their seemingly irrational use of pejoratives and ad hominems. Reading that, it suddenly struck me as to why Trump drives them crazy: he is turning their weapon against them as he also uses language as a weapon. &#8220;</p></blockquote>
<p>It&#8217;s interesting that conservatives (I am not referring to anyone here) have finally begun to face this <b>in a big way</b>, despite having presumably seen some of the same kinds things take place in the 1960s as leftist radicals hijacked common terms and twisted them &#8230; or even earlier I suppose, cite: George Orwell.</p>
<p>But complete cynicism as to the possibility of objective communication, or as to the status of the possibility of anything approaching objectivity in communication does seem to have developed after that; as nearly all communication became according to certain interpretive principles mere rhetoric .. a kind of bleating or vocalization the purpose of which was merely to induce another to act in some way the emitter desired &#8230; or felt it desired.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t quite understand what took so long for this awareness to arise. Because, references to &#8220;deconstruction&#8221; and its pernicious effects, and the philosophy (or philosophical anthropology which guided it) were pretty commonly made in newspapers over 20 years ago.</p>
<p>Maybe people just couldn&#8217;t, or simply were not forced to, confront it.</p>
<p>I remember reading Vincent B. Leitch&#8217;s  &#8220;Deconstruction, an Advanced Introduction&#8221; (1982) in the early &#8217;90&#8217;s and sharing some of what I had read with others, who were either baffled or horrified.  Kind of like some may have felt reading The Genealogy of Morals for the first time. An almost vertigo inducing experience.</p>
<p>One middle aged man in particular reacted to the anti-logocentric stance of the deconstructionists as I described it, as if he had literally heard me announcing the contents of the mind of the Devil.</p>
<p>And in some ways it might have been.</p>
<p>In any event, Leitch&#8217;s book does not seem to have gotten the attention I think it deserves: generating hostility from both those who think Leitch is an apologist for an intellectual evil, and those postmodernism sympathizers who would try and nitpick his survey &#8211; for that is what it really is, a survey &#8211; apart.</p>
<p>Lot&#8217;s of emotional investment all around &#8230;</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2018 15:03:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;You can see the same degradation in other arts, literature, and culture in general. I don’t have an answer as to why, only to observe that the end point of it all seems to have arrived with postmodern philosophy.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

On a somewhat lighter note ... Crass commercialism meets nihilistic manipulation and grins ....


&lt;b&gt;&quot;Why Is Modern Pop Music So Terrible? &quot;&lt;/b&gt;

&quot;Listeners psychologically manipulated&quot;? &quot;Only two virtually unknown men write many of the big pop tunes using the same repetitive formulae&quot;?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVME_l4IwII]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>&#8220;You can see the same degradation in other arts, literature, and culture in general. I don’t have an answer as to why, only to observe that the end point of it all seems to have arrived with postmodern philosophy.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>On a somewhat lighter note &#8230; Crass commercialism meets nihilistic manipulation and grins &#8230;.</p>
<p><b>&#8220;Why Is Modern Pop Music So Terrible? &#8220;</b></p>
<p>&#8220;Listeners psychologically manipulated&#8221;? &#8220;Only two virtually unknown men write many of the big pop tunes using the same repetitive formulae&#8221;?</p>
<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVME_l4IwII" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVME_l4IwII</a></p>
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		By: physicsguy		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2018 14:32:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I am just now finishing up Hicks book, &quot;Understanding Postmodernism.&quot;  I highly recommend it with the caveat that you can skim through the first half of the book where he summarizes the anti-Enlightenment philosophers in too much detail.  It&#039;s important to understand how Kant and Kierkegaard and Rousseau contribute to the foundation of postmodernism, but not in that much detail.  Once that&#039;s done then Hicks really comes into his stride in explaining how PM really works.

Jordan does a decent summary, but one thing that stands out from Hicks is that the PMers have weaponized language.  They see it as a bomb to throw at their opponents, not as a means of communication.  It really explains their seemingly irrational use of pejoratives and ad hominems.  Reading that, it suddenly struck me as to why Trump drives them crazy:  he is turning their weapon against them as he also uses language as a weapon.  He really is the first large public figure to fire back at them.  After reading Hicks book, I&#039;m thinking we should all emulate Trump a bit more.  And just yesterday, Kurt Schlichter seems to agree:   

https://townhall.com/columnists/kurtschlichter/2018/03/05/against-fake-civility-n2457141]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am just now finishing up Hicks book, &#8220;Understanding Postmodernism.&#8221;  I highly recommend it with the caveat that you can skim through the first half of the book where he summarizes the anti-Enlightenment philosophers in too much detail.  It&#8217;s important to understand how Kant and Kierkegaard and Rousseau contribute to the foundation of postmodernism, but not in that much detail.  Once that&#8217;s done then Hicks really comes into his stride in explaining how PM really works.</p>
<p>Jordan does a decent summary, but one thing that stands out from Hicks is that the PMers have weaponized language.  They see it as a bomb to throw at their opponents, not as a means of communication.  It really explains their seemingly irrational use of pejoratives and ad hominems.  Reading that, it suddenly struck me as to why Trump drives them crazy:  he is turning their weapon against them as he also uses language as a weapon.  He really is the first large public figure to fire back at them.  After reading Hicks book, I&#8217;m thinking we should all emulate Trump a bit more.  And just yesterday, Kurt Schlichter seems to agree:   </p>
<p><a href="https://townhall.com/columnists/kurtschlichter/2018/03/05/against-fake-civility-n2457141" rel="nofollow ugc">https://townhall.com/columnists/kurtschlichter/2018/03/05/against-fake-civility-n2457141</a></p>
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					<description><![CDATA[thank you, Jean Robart, for that one.  Seminal.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thank you, Jean Robart, for that one.  Seminal.</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2018 11:04:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Slightly O.T.
Have you seen this video of Dr. Peterson? You (Neo) commented on his appearance recently. Check out his appearance about 15-20 years ago.(The first few minutes.)
He discusses why he isn&#039;t an atheist.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-n9jAKvejRs]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Slightly O.T.<br />
Have you seen this video of Dr. Peterson? You (Neo) commented on his appearance recently. Check out his appearance about 15-20 years ago.(The first few minutes.)<br />
He discusses why he isn&#8217;t an atheist.<br />
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-n9jAKvejRs" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-n9jAKvejRs</a></p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2018 06:25:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Geoffrey Britain Says: 
March 5th, 2018 at 8:06 pm
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Here’s another man who impresses mightily. Articulate, thoughtful and exhibiting a deep understanding of both the issue and the underlying factors that the liberal/leftists are willfully blind to; “WATCH: Speech on Guns by Virginia Senate Candidate Causes Democrat Walk-Out, Goes Massively Viral Online”
* * *
That was an amazing speech (and not a teleprompter in sight !!). I was especially impressed that someone was finally willing to come right out and say to the Democrats&#039; faces what they never seem to hear in person, because they don&#039;t read conservative news  or talk to conservative people -- even in the Red States -- and I don&#039;t remember ever even hearing that something like this was done in the ante-Trump era.
Overton window movers at work?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Geoffrey Britain Says:<br />
March 5th, 2018 at 8:06 pm<br />
&#8230;<br />
Here’s another man who impresses mightily. Articulate, thoughtful and exhibiting a deep understanding of both the issue and the underlying factors that the liberal/leftists are willfully blind to; “WATCH: Speech on Guns by Virginia Senate Candidate Causes Democrat Walk-Out, Goes Massively Viral Online”<br />
* * *<br />
That was an amazing speech (and not a teleprompter in sight !!). I was especially impressed that someone was finally willing to come right out and say to the Democrats&#8217; faces what they never seem to hear in person, because they don&#8217;t read conservative news  or talk to conservative people &#8212; even in the Red States &#8212; and I don&#8217;t remember ever even hearing that something like this was done in the ante-Trump era.<br />
Overton window movers at work?</p>
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