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		By: aetna login		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2018/03/02/concerned-about-trumps-proposed-tariffs/#comment-2375403</link>

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					<description><![CDATA[Why have these sh*tty little Jihadis ……. forsaken holey martyrdom …..]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why have these sh*tty little Jihadis ……. forsaken holey martyrdom …..</p>
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		By: Bilwick		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2018/03/02/concerned-about-trumps-proposed-tariffs/#comment-2375198</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2018 15:30:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I would just like to remind the Trumpkin &quot;economists&quot; of what Henry Hazlitt and other real economists have pointed out numerous times, to protectionists and others: that the test of real economics (and not just apologetics for the State) is that it distinguishes between what is seen, and what is not seen. Think about it when you&#039;re not just parroting the stuff you just learned last week and now see as Holy Writ.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would just like to remind the Trumpkin &#8220;economists&#8221; of what Henry Hazlitt and other real economists have pointed out numerous times, to protectionists and others: that the test of real economics (and not just apologetics for the State) is that it distinguishes between what is seen, and what is not seen. Think about it when you&#8217;re not just parroting the stuff you just learned last week and now see as Holy Writ.</p>
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		By: Baklava		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2018/03/02/concerned-about-trumps-proposed-tariffs/#comment-2375081</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Baklava]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2018 18:11:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[AesopFan,

That video is one that I bookmarked and I never bookmark videos.

You acknowledged this one:
“The fundamental dilemma of faith is whether or not you should live by the truth.” (at 59:15)

I&#039;m still pondering that one. I&#039;ve gone down the Jordan Peterson rabbit hole for about a year now and I agree this one is the best video yet. I&#039;ve also seen women claim they were red-pilled by Jordan Peterson on YouTube and I think people like him do more good for Western Civilization than anyone like a Milo. I dislike Milo and to an extent Trump because on the whole they do more harm long term than conservatives could ever think of doing if they brainstormed how. 

People like Marco Rubio, Paul Ryan, and others seem so weak as compared to Jordan Peterson or to a certain extent the sometimes disappointing Ben Shapiro. I like Ben when he can take on the Jimmy Kimmels in the health care debate but then Ben seems too busy to keep up to speed on illegal immigration issues and the harm caused..

And yes - personal responsibility. And to me that is what it is all about regarding steel, oil, etc. The nation cannot expend away the ability to produce things like oil and steel to a cheaper nation at the expense of the environment, safety, and national security. I&#039;m free market oriented as you can get and yet will not throw away our freedom for the &quot;ideal&quot;. 

They found the USS Lexington (aircraft carrier) 2 miles down near Australia yesterday. The steel work shows the name clearly. 

https://twitter.com/hashtag/RVPetrel?src=hash&#038;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

I saw this article way before the BBC or FoxNews stories and would love to give credit to the PJ Media people 

https://pjmedia.com/blog/liveblogevent/mondays-hot-mic-45/entry-225363/

They refer to a book I must read now called &quot;Shattered Sword&quot; which is said to change the way you think about the Battle of Midway. 

And on your PS note - he was referencing someone elses etymology of &quot;slogan&quot; I believe.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AesopFan,</p>
<p>That video is one that I bookmarked and I never bookmark videos.</p>
<p>You acknowledged this one:<br />
“The fundamental dilemma of faith is whether or not you should live by the truth.” (at 59:15)</p>
<p>I&#8217;m still pondering that one. I&#8217;ve gone down the Jordan Peterson rabbit hole for about a year now and I agree this one is the best video yet. I&#8217;ve also seen women claim they were red-pilled by Jordan Peterson on YouTube and I think people like him do more good for Western Civilization than anyone like a Milo. I dislike Milo and to an extent Trump because on the whole they do more harm long term than conservatives could ever think of doing if they brainstormed how. </p>
<p>People like Marco Rubio, Paul Ryan, and others seem so weak as compared to Jordan Peterson or to a certain extent the sometimes disappointing Ben Shapiro. I like Ben when he can take on the Jimmy Kimmels in the health care debate but then Ben seems too busy to keep up to speed on illegal immigration issues and the harm caused..</p>
<p>And yes &#8211; personal responsibility. And to me that is what it is all about regarding steel, oil, etc. The nation cannot expend away the ability to produce things like oil and steel to a cheaper nation at the expense of the environment, safety, and national security. I&#8217;m free market oriented as you can get and yet will not throw away our freedom for the &#8220;ideal&#8221;. </p>
<p>They found the USS Lexington (aircraft carrier) 2 miles down near Australia yesterday. The steel work shows the name clearly. </p>
<p><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/RVPetrel?src=hash&#038;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw" rel="nofollow ugc">https://twitter.com/hashtag/RVPetrel?src=hash&#038;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw</a></p>
<p>I saw this article way before the BBC or FoxNews stories and would love to give credit to the PJ Media people </p>
<p><a href="https://pjmedia.com/blog/liveblogevent/mondays-hot-mic-45/entry-225363/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://pjmedia.com/blog/liveblogevent/mondays-hot-mic-45/entry-225363/</a></p>
<p>They refer to a book I must read now called &#8220;Shattered Sword&#8221; which is said to change the way you think about the Battle of Midway. </p>
<p>And on your PS note &#8211; he was referencing someone elses etymology of &#8220;slogan&#8221; I believe.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2018/03/02/concerned-about-trumps-proposed-tariffs/#comment-2375054</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2018 10:05:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Baklava Says: 
March 5th, 2018 at 5:04 pm
Harvard discussion with Jordan Peterson. No it’s not on tariffs but there is something to this discussion that can apply here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqi0jHn_7-I
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This is the best of the Peterson videos I have seen so far, and covers a lot of the positions he has become famous for. 

This quote may not be relevant to tariffs or negotiation, but it&#039;s Peterson&#039;s bottom line, the summary of all his strictures in this lengthy exposition of his positions on myriads of issues, which all really boil down to one thing: taking personal responsibility.

&quot;The fundamental dilemma of faith is whether or not you should live by the truth.&quot; (at 59:15)

PS In all of his masterful declamations, he made one error: the etymology of slogan (at 49:52) is not Welsh but Scots-Gaelic.  

early 16th century: from Scottish Gaelic sluagh-ghairm, from sluagh ‘army’ + gairm ‘shout.’]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Baklava Says:<br />
March 5th, 2018 at 5:04 pm<br />
Harvard discussion with Jordan Peterson. No it’s not on tariffs but there is something to this discussion that can apply here.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqi0jHn_7-I" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqi0jHn_7-I</a><br />
* * *<br />
This is the best of the Peterson videos I have seen so far, and covers a lot of the positions he has become famous for. </p>
<p>This quote may not be relevant to tariffs or negotiation, but it&#8217;s Peterson&#8217;s bottom line, the summary of all his strictures in this lengthy exposition of his positions on myriads of issues, which all really boil down to one thing: taking personal responsibility.</p>
<p>&#8220;The fundamental dilemma of faith is whether or not you should live by the truth.&#8221; (at 59:15)</p>
<p>PS In all of his masterful declamations, he made one error: the etymology of slogan (at 49:52) is not Welsh but Scots-Gaelic.  </p>
<p>early 16th century: from Scottish Gaelic sluagh-ghairm, from sluagh ‘army’ + gairm ‘shout.’</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2018/03/02/concerned-about-trumps-proposed-tariffs/#comment-2375048</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2018 09:10:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[steve walsh Says: 
March 5th, 2018 at 5:41 pm
While this discussion of the pluses and minuses of tariffs has been interesting, you’ve all been focused on the wrong thing:

https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/05/politics/trump-tweet-tariffs-nafta/index.html
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Negotiation 101.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>steve walsh Says:<br />
March 5th, 2018 at 5:41 pm<br />
While this discussion of the pluses and minuses of tariffs has been interesting, you’ve all been focused on the wrong thing:</p>
<p><a href="https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/05/politics/trump-tweet-tariffs-nafta/index.html" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/05/politics/trump-tweet-tariffs-nafta/index.html</a><br />
* * *<br />
Negotiation 101.</p>
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		By: Tim Turner		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2018/03/02/concerned-about-trumps-proposed-tariffs/#comment-2375032</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2018 05:27:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Baklava,

&lt;blockquote&gt;We see a lot of desire in people wanting to produce. A lot of happiness is born when people produce. I think people are less happy when all they do is consume in life.&lt;/blockquote&gt; Again, I think we&#039;re dealing with a different definition of production and consumption here.  Under my operating definition, an act could be both production and consumption simultaneously - the act of painting a portrait, for example.  But it is not the production part (the mere labor) of this that gives value or makes it worth while.  

Indeed, great damage is done to cultures who have fallen into the Consumerist mindset, but that&#039;s not what I&#039;m proposing.  I still believe the United States should be a productive nation, but we should not produce things at exorbitant cost just so we can do it ourselves or spite another country.  We should produce what we need as efficiently as we can - and if China (or any other country) wants to help us produce it more efficiently, then I&#039;m fine with that.

There are other things we can produce, and we should produce those.  If this were to totally destroy the American steel industry, then I&#039;d reexamine the case, and you&#039;d likely be right in the long term.  But I deeply doubt that will occur.  To pursue that path, you really need a detailed breakdown of likely war scenarios, the amount of steel they would consume, and how long it would take to ramp up a dormant U.S. steel industry to produce that.  Also, strategically, we should consider stockpiling cheap Chinese steel for military use in just such a crisis. 

I agree that China is trying to manipulate the economy, but it&#039;s hurting them.  I see no reason to hurt ourselves in order to retaliate.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Baklava,</p>
<blockquote><p>We see a lot of desire in people wanting to produce. A lot of happiness is born when people produce. I think people are less happy when all they do is consume in life.</p></blockquote>
<p> Again, I think we&#8217;re dealing with a different definition of production and consumption here.  Under my operating definition, an act could be both production and consumption simultaneously &#8211; the act of painting a portrait, for example.  But it is not the production part (the mere labor) of this that gives value or makes it worth while.  </p>
<p>Indeed, great damage is done to cultures who have fallen into the Consumerist mindset, but that&#8217;s not what I&#8217;m proposing.  I still believe the United States should be a productive nation, but we should not produce things at exorbitant cost just so we can do it ourselves or spite another country.  We should produce what we need as efficiently as we can &#8211; and if China (or any other country) wants to help us produce it more efficiently, then I&#8217;m fine with that.</p>
<p>There are other things we can produce, and we should produce those.  If this were to totally destroy the American steel industry, then I&#8217;d reexamine the case, and you&#8217;d likely be right in the long term.  But I deeply doubt that will occur.  To pursue that path, you really need a detailed breakdown of likely war scenarios, the amount of steel they would consume, and how long it would take to ramp up a dormant U.S. steel industry to produce that.  Also, strategically, we should consider stockpiling cheap Chinese steel for military use in just such a crisis. </p>
<p>I agree that China is trying to manipulate the economy, but it&#8217;s hurting them.  I see no reason to hurt ourselves in order to retaliate.</p>
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		By: Baklava		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2018/03/02/concerned-about-trumps-proposed-tariffs/#comment-2374989</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2018 23:07:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[ah Steve. :) but a judge will wipe away the new Trump tariffs. :)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ah Steve. 🙂 but a judge will wipe away the new Trump tariffs. 🙂</p>
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		By: steve walsh		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2018 22:41:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[While this discussion of the pluses and minuses of tariffs has been interesting, you&#039;ve all been focused on the wrong thing:

https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/05/politics/trump-tweet-tariffs-nafta/index.html]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While this discussion of the pluses and minuses of tariffs has been interesting, you&#8217;ve all been focused on the wrong thing:</p>
<p><a href="https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/05/politics/trump-tweet-tariffs-nafta/index.html" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/05/politics/trump-tweet-tariffs-nafta/index.html</a></p>
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		By: Baklava		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2018 22:04:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Harvard discussion with Jordan Peterson. No it&#039;s not on tariffs but there is something to this discussion that can apply here. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqi0jHn_7-I]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Harvard discussion with Jordan Peterson. No it&#8217;s not on tariffs but there is something to this discussion that can apply here. </p>
<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqi0jHn_7-I" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqi0jHn_7-I</a></p>
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		By: om		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2018 21:21:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Tariffs in the USA before WWI - care to remember that was before the US had a Federal Income Tax.  Oh and then there is that Smoot-Hawley tariff experience from the 1930s, that worked well? /S 

And then there are some today that posit that tariffs on steel won&#039;t help US infrastructure (pipelines need pipe - lots of it).  

https://www.rigzone.com/news/gadfly_trump_tariffs_are_a_gift_for_opec_and_russia_not_shale-5-mar-2018-153753-article/?utm_campaign=DAILY_2018_03_05&#038;utm_source=GLOBAL_ENG&#038;utm_medium=EM_NW_F2

Consequences? Unintended?  What could concievably go awry?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tariffs in the USA before WWI &#8211; care to remember that was before the US had a Federal Income Tax.  Oh and then there is that Smoot-Hawley tariff experience from the 1930s, that worked well? /S </p>
<p>And then there are some today that posit that tariffs on steel won&#8217;t help US infrastructure (pipelines need pipe &#8211; lots of it).  </p>
<p><a href="https://www.rigzone.com/news/gadfly_trump_tariffs_are_a_gift_for_opec_and_russia_not_shale-5-mar-2018-153753-article/?utm_campaign=DAILY_2018_03_05&#038;utm_source=GLOBAL_ENG&#038;utm_medium=EM_NW_F2" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.rigzone.com/news/gadfly_trump_tariffs_are_a_gift_for_opec_and_russia_not_shale-5-mar-2018-153753-article/?utm_campaign=DAILY_2018_03_05&#038;utm_source=GLOBAL_ENG&#038;utm_medium=EM_NW_F2</a></p>
<p>Consequences? Unintended?  What could concievably go awry?</p>
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