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		By: Ymar Sakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2018/01/29/there-are-more-things-in-heaven-and-earth-horatio-3/#comment-2362743</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ymar Sakar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Feb 2018 12:40:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[NN&#039;s first comment was concise, perhaps too concise for the average IQ level.

When something is written and spoken that requires too high of a verbal IQ for the audience to understand, data is lost in transmission.

I could understand the first comment, generally, but it requires some thought. Which means for some people, it might have required 24 hours of thought...

The problems with scientific methodology are numerous, although like a republic (not a democracy like most USA drones think) it is the best system for ruling over humans, by humans. The observer effect from quantum mechanics and the applications of Heisenberg&#039;s Uncertainty Principle really puts a crank shaft in the gears of science. A disciple that prizes itself on observing data reliably, is in quite a difficult quandary when the very data &quot;shifts&quot; according to observer effects. Although the more relevant phenomenon is &#039;interference&#039;, rather than the quantum wave form &quot;collapse&quot; made popular by the Copenhagen INterpretation.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NN&#8217;s first comment was concise, perhaps too concise for the average IQ level.</p>
<p>When something is written and spoken that requires too high of a verbal IQ for the audience to understand, data is lost in transmission.</p>
<p>I could understand the first comment, generally, but it requires some thought. Which means for some people, it might have required 24 hours of thought&#8230;</p>
<p>The problems with scientific methodology are numerous, although like a republic (not a democracy like most USA drones think) it is the best system for ruling over humans, by humans. The observer effect from quantum mechanics and the applications of Heisenberg&#8217;s Uncertainty Principle really puts a crank shaft in the gears of science. A disciple that prizes itself on observing data reliably, is in quite a difficult quandary when the very data &#8220;shifts&#8221; according to observer effects. Although the more relevant phenomenon is &#8216;interference&#8217;, rather than the quantum wave form &#8220;collapse&#8221; made popular by the Copenhagen INterpretation.</p>
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		By: n.n		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[n.n]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Feb 2018 03:57:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[om:

I&#039;ll add that I recognize four logical domains: science (near space and time), philosophy (possible), fantasy (improbable), and faith (trust).  Each of these logical domains intersect, and it is possible to cross from one to the other with sufficient knowledge and skill.  For example, the scientific method begins with a hypothesis in the philosophy logical domain, and with observation and reproduction will either transition to the science logical domain, or be shunted to another logical domain.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>om:</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll add that I recognize four logical domains: science (near space and time), philosophy (possible), fantasy (improbable), and faith (trust).  Each of these logical domains intersect, and it is possible to cross from one to the other with sufficient knowledge and skill.  For example, the scientific method begins with a hypothesis in the philosophy logical domain, and with observation and reproduction will either transition to the science logical domain, or be shunted to another logical domain.</p>
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		By: om		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[om]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Feb 2018 01:46:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[n.n

Thanks for the lucid comment about deep subject; what and how we know and some of the assumptions underlie our knowing.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>n.n</p>
<p>Thanks for the lucid comment about deep subject; what and how we know and some of the assumptions underlie our knowing.</p>
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		By: n.n		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Jan 2018 21:38:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;is always evolving&lt;/i&gt;

i.e. chaotic or a process that is incompletely or insufficiently characterized and unwieldy

&lt;i&gt;I am interested to know how you measured this.&lt;/i&gt;

It&#039;s not a matter of measurement, but rather logic.  Consider what you know, don&#039;t know, and can&#039;t possibly know.  For example, the signals we receive from outside the solar system (the boundary of near observation)  are known to be influenced by interstitial matter that alters frequency and causes other transformations.  As we approach a source, the probability of mischaracterization approaches zero (not impossible, but improbable).  Note that this doesn&#039;t imply our observations are wrong, but rather that they are pending.  With respect to time, inference from limited, circumstantial evidence is inconclusive.  Our &quot;scientific&quot; beliefs are often based on assumptions of linearity, invariance, and uniformity.  While these may be valid assumptions, there is no means to confirm the veracity of our conclusions.  Science has evolved as a &quot;consistent with&quot; model, which is often credible, but not always, and may constrain or expand -- both unqualified -- our understanding.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>is always evolving</i></p>
<p>i.e. chaotic or a process that is incompletely or insufficiently characterized and unwieldy</p>
<p><i>I am interested to know how you measured this.</i></p>
<p>It&#8217;s not a matter of measurement, but rather logic.  Consider what you know, don&#8217;t know, and can&#8217;t possibly know.  For example, the signals we receive from outside the solar system (the boundary of near observation)  are known to be influenced by interstitial matter that alters frequency and causes other transformations.  As we approach a source, the probability of mischaracterization approaches zero (not impossible, but improbable).  Note that this doesn&#8217;t imply our observations are wrong, but rather that they are pending.  With respect to time, inference from limited, circumstantial evidence is inconclusive.  Our &#8220;scientific&#8221; beliefs are often based on assumptions of linearity, invariance, and uniformity.  While these may be valid assumptions, there is no means to confirm the veracity of our conclusions.  Science has evolved as a &#8220;consistent with&#8221; model, which is often credible, but not always, and may constrain or expand &#8212; both unqualified &#8212; our understanding.</p>
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		By: Surellin		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Surellin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Jan 2018 19:27:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The dinosaur-killing meteorite was another slap upside the heads of the orthodox when it was first hatched.  And, come to think of it, my earliest memories are of the Big Bang theory and the Steady-State theory being considered equally reputable.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The dinosaur-killing meteorite was another slap upside the heads of the orthodox when it was first hatched.  And, come to think of it, my earliest memories are of the Big Bang theory and the Steady-State theory being considered equally reputable.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AesopFan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Jan 2018 04:56:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[huxley Says: 
January 29th, 2018 at 10:12 pm
A trip to Australia to see the stromatolites – as far as we know, the oldest microbial life still extant, going back to 3.7 billion years ago – is on my bucket list of things to do before I die.
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Should we call you the Pied Piper of Hamelin now? ;)

And thanks for the transcript
&quot;Climate change lost that debate and, as far as I can tell, the serious scientists on that side have avoided open debate on the subject ever since … 2007 to be specific.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>huxley Says:<br />
January 29th, 2018 at 10:12 pm<br />
A trip to Australia to see the stromatolites – as far as we know, the oldest microbial life still extant, going back to 3.7 billion years ago – is on my bucket list of things to do before I die.<br />
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Should we call you the Pied Piper of Hamelin now? 😉</p>
<p>And thanks for the transcript<br />
&#8220;Climate change lost that debate and, as far as I can tell, the serious scientists on that side have avoided open debate on the subject ever since … 2007 to be specific.&#8221;</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AesopFan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Jan 2018 04:52:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Frederick Says: 
January 30th, 2018 at 11:47 am
Frederick’s Law: As an online discussion on the history or philosophy of science grows longer, the probability that the next comment endorses creationism approaches 1.
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..because the discussion is always evolving...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frederick Says:<br />
January 30th, 2018 at 11:47 am<br />
Frederick’s Law: As an online discussion on the history or philosophy of science grows longer, the probability that the next comment endorses creationism approaches 1.<br />
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..because the discussion is always evolving&#8230;</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AesopFan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Jan 2018 04:51:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Kevin Says: 
January 30th, 2018 at 4:00 pm

BBC The Day The Universe Changed
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This and Burke&#039;s first series, Connections, are my all-time favorite TV-science/history shows.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin Says:<br />
January 30th, 2018 at 4:00 pm</p>
<p>BBC The Day The Universe Changed<br />
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This and Burke&#8217;s first series, Connections, are my all-time favorite TV-science/history shows.</p>
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		By: om		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[om]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Jan 2018 02:44:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Frederick:

Simple, n.n just wrapped his/her/they/them/zer.... mind around it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frederick:</p>
<p>Simple, n.n just wrapped his/her/they/them/zer&#8230;. mind around it.</p>
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		By: Frederick		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Frederick]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jan 2018 23:40:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@n.n.:&lt;i&gt; where accuracy is inversely proportional to the product of time and space offsets from an established frame of reference.&lt;/i&gt;

I am interested to know how you measured this.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@n.n.:<i> where accuracy is inversely proportional to the product of time and space offsets from an established frame of reference.</i></p>
<p>I am interested to know how you measured this.</p>
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