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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[http://neoneocon.com/2018/01/05/have-wolffs-minutes-of-fame-already-started-to-wind-down/#comment-2347054
AesopFan Says: 
January 5th, 2018 at 4:32 pm
Kitty Kelly’s name ring any bells?
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So glad to see David Harsanyi reads our comment threads!
http://thefederalist.com/2018/0/07/fire-and-fury-fake-but-accurate/
&quot;That’s the problem with a book of rumor-mongering. You can never know what’s true, though people always tend to believe the tidbits that reinforce their worldview. Not that these sorts of tomes are new.&lt;b&gt; Every president has his Kitty Kelley. &lt;/b&gt;What is new, though, is the wall-to-wall coverage of the book. Wolff has given outlets a convenient excuse to repeat unverified stories about the Trump administration that they couldn’t talk about otherwise. &quot;]]></description>
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AesopFan Says:<br />
January 5th, 2018 at 4:32 pm<br />
Kitty Kelly’s name ring any bells?<br />
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So glad to see David Harsanyi reads our comment threads!<br />
<a href="http://thefederalist.com/2018/0/07/fire-and-fury-fake-but-accurate/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://thefederalist.com/2018/0/07/fire-and-fury-fake-but-accurate/</a><br />
&#8220;That’s the problem with a book of rumor-mongering. You can never know what’s true, though people always tend to believe the tidbits that reinforce their worldview. Not that these sorts of tomes are new.<b> Every president has his Kitty Kelley. </b>What is new, though, is the wall-to-wall coverage of the book. Wolff has given outlets a convenient excuse to repeat unverified stories about the Trump administration that they couldn’t talk about otherwise. &#8220;</p>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jan 2018 02:20:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Mike K Says: 
January 6th, 2018 at 12:04 pm
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The mystery to me is why Bannon destroyed his career for this. 
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Ditto.
He must have known dissing Trump&#039;s relatives (much less Himself) to a reporter would have bad consequences somewhere down the line, and at the time (IIRC) he was still on board the ship at the WH.
So why arm the enemy?
Did he (a seasoned journalist) not vet this embedded interviewer for integrity and bias?!?!  Was he blindsided, or hoping to take down competitor&#039;s in the administration, or just too egotistical to think he could be hurt?
I notice that Bannon hasn&#039;t claimed Wolff misquoted him, although I might have missed that.

Paul Mirengoff has some speculations here, but I don&#039;t find them fully satisfactory.  
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2018/01/steve-bannon-david-stockman-and-the-need-to-spill-ones-guts-to-liberals.php

I thought of the Rolling Stone interview with General McChrystal that got him canned for being candid, and discovered a few things I didn&#039;t know, which is that the reporter&#039;s access was unusual and accidental, at a time when the general and staff were not &quot;on guard&quot; as usual with journalists.  
I also learned some details about the Rolling Stone story that didn&#039;t percolate through the internet onto the few blogs I was reading at the time.  
Judging from the last graf quoted, people didn&#039;t like finding out that the general was a Milkshake Duck (I had to look up Gorilla Channel -- which also had not reached the Webz I frequent, and learned all sorts of new things....)

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/jun/24/michael-hastings-general-mcchrystal-article

&quot;It has been widely reported that Hastings got his big story because of a fluke — the eruption of Eyjafjallajé¶kull volcano in Iceland that trapped McChrystal and his team in Paris where they were on official business.

It was there that the journalist got some of his most explosive material, including McChrystal&#039;s anger at having to glad-hand French officialdom and an account of the four star general getting drunk on Bud Light Lime with his men.

But Hastings says being stranded by the volcano only played a part, and that the most newsworthy things happened in the first 24 hours that he was hanging round with &quot;Team America&quot;, as the general&#039;s close colleagues styled themselves.

He said just being in Paris was the main advantage he had over journalists who have spent time trailing McChrystal around Afghanistan — Team America were in relaxation mode and were more indiscreet than normal.

And he argues that the special access journalists get to McChrystal in Afghanistan also leads them to not report as fully and freely as they might.

He said: &quot;They go on these trips with McChrystal and they get to see all this cool stuff and they completely drink the Kool-Aid. They think McChrystal is awesome, these guys are fun to be with and I&#039;m in a room talking about classified stuff.&quot;

For many people it was a shock to read of McChrystal and his team in Paris getting &quot;totally shitfaced&quot;. The general has a (perhaps embellished) reputation for monk-like asceticism, eating once a day and banning alcohol from his headquarters in Kabul.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike K Says:<br />
January 6th, 2018 at 12:04 pm<br />
&#8230;<br />
The mystery to me is why Bannon destroyed his career for this.<br />
* **<br />
Ditto.<br />
He must have known dissing Trump&#8217;s relatives (much less Himself) to a reporter would have bad consequences somewhere down the line, and at the time (IIRC) he was still on board the ship at the WH.<br />
So why arm the enemy?<br />
Did he (a seasoned journalist) not vet this embedded interviewer for integrity and bias?!?!  Was he blindsided, or hoping to take down competitor&#8217;s in the administration, or just too egotistical to think he could be hurt?<br />
I notice that Bannon hasn&#8217;t claimed Wolff misquoted him, although I might have missed that.</p>
<p>Paul Mirengoff has some speculations here, but I don&#8217;t find them fully satisfactory.<br />
<a href="http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2018/01/steve-bannon-david-stockman-and-the-need-to-spill-ones-guts-to-liberals.php" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2018/01/steve-bannon-david-stockman-and-the-need-to-spill-ones-guts-to-liberals.php</a></p>
<p>I thought of the Rolling Stone interview with General McChrystal that got him canned for being candid, and discovered a few things I didn&#8217;t know, which is that the reporter&#8217;s access was unusual and accidental, at a time when the general and staff were not &#8220;on guard&#8221; as usual with journalists.<br />
I also learned some details about the Rolling Stone story that didn&#8217;t percolate through the internet onto the few blogs I was reading at the time.<br />
Judging from the last graf quoted, people didn&#8217;t like finding out that the general was a Milkshake Duck (I had to look up Gorilla Channel &#8212; which also had not reached the Webz I frequent, and learned all sorts of new things&#8230;.)</p>
<p><a href="https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/jun/24/michael-hastings-general-mcchrystal-article" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/jun/24/michael-hastings-general-mcchrystal-article</a></p>
<p>&#8220;It has been widely reported that Hastings got his big story because of a fluke — the eruption of Eyjafjallajé¶kull volcano in Iceland that trapped McChrystal and his team in Paris where they were on official business.</p>
<p>It was there that the journalist got some of his most explosive material, including McChrystal&#8217;s anger at having to glad-hand French officialdom and an account of the four star general getting drunk on Bud Light Lime with his men.</p>
<p>But Hastings says being stranded by the volcano only played a part, and that the most newsworthy things happened in the first 24 hours that he was hanging round with &#8220;Team America&#8221;, as the general&#8217;s close colleagues styled themselves.</p>
<p>He said just being in Paris was the main advantage he had over journalists who have spent time trailing McChrystal around Afghanistan — Team America were in relaxation mode and were more indiscreet than normal.</p>
<p>And he argues that the special access journalists get to McChrystal in Afghanistan also leads them to not report as fully and freely as they might.</p>
<p>He said: &#8220;They go on these trips with McChrystal and they get to see all this cool stuff and they completely drink the Kool-Aid. They think McChrystal is awesome, these guys are fun to be with and I&#8217;m in a room talking about classified stuff.&#8221;</p>
<p>For many people it was a shock to read of McChrystal and his team in Paris getting &#8220;totally shitfaced&#8221;. The general has a (perhaps embellished) reputation for monk-like asceticism, eating once a day and banning alcohol from his headquarters in Kabul.&#8221;</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jan 2018 01:56:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[J.J. Says: 
January 5th, 2018 at 10:18 pm
Wolff has accomplished his mission.
* * *
Which reminds me of the Proctor &#038; Gamble attempt to defend themselves against claims that their logo was Satanic: they finally just gave up because once the meme was out, no matter how many times it was debunked, the zombie idiots kept resurrecting it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>J.J. Says:<br />
January 5th, 2018 at 10:18 pm<br />
Wolff has accomplished his mission.<br />
* * *<br />
Which reminds me of the Proctor &amp; Gamble attempt to defend themselves against claims that their logo was Satanic: they finally just gave up because once the meme was out, no matter how many times it was debunked, the zombie idiots kept resurrecting it.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jan 2018 01:54:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Griffin Says: 
January 5th, 2018 at 4:40 pm
Yep, this really is Kitty Kelley all over again.

Wasn’t her book the one that brought the whole Nancy Reagan/astrology story to the world?
* * *
Wikipedia says that Donald Regan outed her after he resigned as Chief of Staff. Nancy was indeed consulting an astrologer, but only about her husband&#039;s safety -- not, say, how to move national security information from one email account to another.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Griffin Says:<br />
January 5th, 2018 at 4:40 pm<br />
Yep, this really is Kitty Kelley all over again.</p>
<p>Wasn’t her book the one that brought the whole Nancy Reagan/astrology story to the world?<br />
* * *<br />
Wikipedia says that Donald Regan outed her after he resigned as Chief of Staff. Nancy was indeed consulting an astrologer, but only about her husband&#8217;s safety &#8212; not, say, how to move national security information from one email account to another.</p>
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		By: Irv		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jan 2018 19:15:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The people who read this book and believed it are the same ones who read and believed the mainstream media guaranteeing that Hillary would win.  It said what they wanted to hear so they believed it.  That&#039;s not a very good way to find out what the real story is.

The possibility of belief should come only after assessing the credibility of the source.  If the source has none then don&#039;t even bother to read them.  If the source is credible then spend the time to verify even those claims.

We used to shun known liars and refused to listen to anything they had to say.  I&#039;ve always have and still do find that to be a good policy.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The people who read this book and believed it are the same ones who read and believed the mainstream media guaranteeing that Hillary would win.  It said what they wanted to hear so they believed it.  That&#8217;s not a very good way to find out what the real story is.</p>
<p>The possibility of belief should come only after assessing the credibility of the source.  If the source has none then don&#8217;t even bother to read them.  If the source is credible then spend the time to verify even those claims.</p>
<p>We used to shun known liars and refused to listen to anything they had to say.  I&#8217;ve always have and still do find that to be a good policy.</p>
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		By: William Graves		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Trump:  The White House&quot; is some sort of Hollywood remake of &quot;Trump:  The Dossier.&quot;  I wonder how long it will take to figure out who paid for this version.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Trump:  The White House&#8221; is some sort of Hollywood remake of &#8220;Trump:  The Dossier.&#8221;  I wonder how long it will take to figure out who paid for this version.</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[I understand it&#039;s made the NY Times Best Sellers list under
Fiction: Hard Cover]]></description>
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Fiction: Hard Cover</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[The Kitty Kelley association was one I had forgotten.

I agree that it will have a short shelf life except among Trump haters. Slandering presidents is an old American custom going back to Jefferson and Madison.
The mystery to me is why Bannon destroyed his career for this. Larry Kudlow wrote that the stock market rallied on the news that Bannon had done this.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Kitty Kelley association was one I had forgotten.</p>
<p>I agree that it will have a short shelf life except among Trump haters. Slandering presidents is an old American custom going back to Jefferson and Madison.<br />
The mystery to me is why Bannon destroyed his career for this. Larry Kudlow wrote that the stock market rallied on the news that Bannon had done this.</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[And while I think of it, don&#039;t forget to call your local cable company, and request that they add &quot;The Gorilla Channel&quot; to their line-up.  That&#039;s quality programming, worth watching at least 17 hours a day.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And while I think of it, don&#8217;t forget to call your local cable company, and request that they add &#8220;The Gorilla Channel&#8221; to their line-up.  That&#8217;s quality programming, worth watching at least 17 hours a day.</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[There&#039;s one passage on page 57 that I would like to see Michael Wolff questioned about, as for the source, whether he believes it is really true, and why he put it in the book, and why the editors left it in there.

Apparently in 1959, a 13 year old Donald Trump was so upset about the size of his (allegedly) small hands that he had prosthetic hands made, after seeing one of the Tussaud wax exhibitions.

&quot;One fateful evening, one of the Bakelite hands fell into a urinal trough at Penn Station.  The bars had just closed, and hundreds of men were relieving themselves, laughing.  Donald was forced to watch on, repulsed by his germophobia, as his beloved fake hand was doused in successive shafts of gold.  By the time a janitor had fished the hand out, he was distraught.&quot;

Michael Wolff is a liar and a fraud.  That one passage is so obviously made up, that his only motivation is one of sheer malice and dislike of Mr. Trump.  Besides, everyone knows that Bakelite had been superseded by better plastic compounds by the late 1940s.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s one passage on page 57 that I would like to see Michael Wolff questioned about, as for the source, whether he believes it is really true, and why he put it in the book, and why the editors left it in there.</p>
<p>Apparently in 1959, a 13 year old Donald Trump was so upset about the size of his (allegedly) small hands that he had prosthetic hands made, after seeing one of the Tussaud wax exhibitions.</p>
<p>&#8220;One fateful evening, one of the Bakelite hands fell into a urinal trough at Penn Station.  The bars had just closed, and hundreds of men were relieving themselves, laughing.  Donald was forced to watch on, repulsed by his germophobia, as his beloved fake hand was doused in successive shafts of gold.  By the time a janitor had fished the hand out, he was distraught.&#8221;</p>
<p>Michael Wolff is a liar and a fraud.  That one passage is so obviously made up, that his only motivation is one of sheer malice and dislike of Mr. Trump.  Besides, everyone knows that Bakelite had been superseded by better plastic compounds by the late 1940s.</p>
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