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		By: Mongo		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mongo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jan 2018 04:56:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Begin every conversations with a liberal by asking if they feel you should change your mind, then ask them if they have ever considered changing their mind.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Begin every conversations with a liberal by asking if they feel you should change your mind, then ask them if they have ever considered changing their mind.</p>
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		By: FOAF		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Dec 2017 07:59:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;the misleading cast of the Pentagon Papers&quot;

Really meant to say the misleading cast of the reporting on the PP.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;the misleading cast of the Pentagon Papers&#8221;</p>
<p>Really meant to say the misleading cast of the reporting on the PP.</p>
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		By: FOAF		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Dec 2017 07:55:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Frog: &quot;It remains unclear to me why the NYT and WaPo were so anti the Democratic POTUS then.&quot;

This is one of the great ironies from that era.  As soon as Johnson took over as POTUS after the Kennedy assassination there was an intense animus towards him from the coastal elites as represented by the media who saw LBJ as a cornpone redneck buffoon.  It perfectly mirrors today&#039;s red state/blue state divide - except that Johnson was basically to the *left* of Kennedy.  JFK had cut taxes while LBJ was probably the biggest big-government Democrat between Roosevelt and Obama.  And the Vietnam policy that resulted in so much calumny towards Johnson (&quot;Hey Hey LBJ how many kids did you kill today&quot;) was forged by Kennedy&#039;s Ivy League foreign policy team - McNamara, Rusk, Bundy(s), Rostow etc.

In fact the misleading cast of the Pentagon Papers may have even resulted from Johnson being more dovish than the JFK advisors.  When they said &quot;the Johnson administration&quot; had decided to bomb NV at a time when &quot;the White House&quot; rejected the idea, the former may have been the advisors inherited from Kennedy while the latter was Johnson himself.  I read &quot;The Best and the Brightest&quot; many years ago and IIRC Halberstam suggested that Johnson had doubts about the war but reluctantly went along with the JFK team because he had always focused on domestic policy going back to his stint as Senate majority leader and had little of his own expertise in foreign policy.  But it was a lot more satisfying to blame Vietnam on Johnson than on the sainted JFK.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frog: &#8220;It remains unclear to me why the NYT and WaPo were so anti the Democratic POTUS then.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is one of the great ironies from that era.  As soon as Johnson took over as POTUS after the Kennedy assassination there was an intense animus towards him from the coastal elites as represented by the media who saw LBJ as a cornpone redneck buffoon.  It perfectly mirrors today&#8217;s red state/blue state divide &#8211; except that Johnson was basically to the *left* of Kennedy.  JFK had cut taxes while LBJ was probably the biggest big-government Democrat between Roosevelt and Obama.  And the Vietnam policy that resulted in so much calumny towards Johnson (&#8220;Hey Hey LBJ how many kids did you kill today&#8221;) was forged by Kennedy&#8217;s Ivy League foreign policy team &#8211; McNamara, Rusk, Bundy(s), Rostow etc.</p>
<p>In fact the misleading cast of the Pentagon Papers may have even resulted from Johnson being more dovish than the JFK advisors.  When they said &#8220;the Johnson administration&#8221; had decided to bomb NV at a time when &#8220;the White House&#8221; rejected the idea, the former may have been the advisors inherited from Kennedy while the latter was Johnson himself.  I read &#8220;The Best and the Brightest&#8221; many years ago and IIRC Halberstam suggested that Johnson had doubts about the war but reluctantly went along with the JFK team because he had always focused on domestic policy going back to his stint as Senate majority leader and had little of his own expertise in foreign policy.  But it was a lot more satisfying to blame Vietnam on Johnson than on the sainted JFK.</p>
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		By: Ymar Sakar		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ymar Sakar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Dec 2017 05:22:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The press were and are controlled lackeys and lapdogs of the Deep State. They do what they are told. Expecting more of them would be unwise, unrealistic, and avoidable.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The press were and are controlled lackeys and lapdogs of the Deep State. They do what they are told. Expecting more of them would be unwise, unrealistic, and avoidable.</p>
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		By: Alan Potkin		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alan Potkin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Dec 2017 03:12:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It may or may not be telling that it happened within days of the resurrection/celebration of the WaPo&#039;s heroic moment publishing the Pentagon Papers, with Meryl Streep now playing Katherine Graham, but William W. Graham, one of Katherine Graham&#039;s four children, just blew his brains with a firearm. Stanford grad, white shoe law firm career, and famously anti VN war activist back in the day. Maybe a function of unmanageable clinical depression, possibly inherited, as his father went much the same route in 1963, leaving his widow to take over as the WaPo&#039;s publisher.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It may or may not be telling that it happened within days of the resurrection/celebration of the WaPo&#8217;s heroic moment publishing the Pentagon Papers, with Meryl Streep now playing Katherine Graham, but William W. Graham, one of Katherine Graham&#8217;s four children, just blew his brains with a firearm. Stanford grad, white shoe law firm career, and famously anti VN war activist back in the day. Maybe a function of unmanageable clinical depression, possibly inherited, as his father went much the same route in 1963, leaving his widow to take over as the WaPo&#8217;s publisher.</p>
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		By: Frog		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Dec 2017 21:34:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I refuse to play most of the media game. My TV no longer has any inputs; it&#039;s for DVDs of classic movies only now. I scan Drudge but read few of the articles linked. It is clear to me the MSM has all become the National Enquirer with increasingly freakish headlines (as shown on Drudge) along the lines of &quot;Woman uses cobra as vibrator&quot;.

At least one can comment on WSJ stories, and I often do that, if only to state the reporter is a dummy for reason X or Y or Z. Lots of people read WSJ comments, it seems.

My home page is, regrettably, Yahoo, which does its own &#039;news&#039;, tending as the main  story to feature yet another  bald black NFL player doing something or being done to, or that there are many black NFL coaching candidates.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I refuse to play most of the media game. My TV no longer has any inputs; it&#8217;s for DVDs of classic movies only now. I scan Drudge but read few of the articles linked. It is clear to me the MSM has all become the National Enquirer with increasingly freakish headlines (as shown on Drudge) along the lines of &#8220;Woman uses cobra as vibrator&#8221;.</p>
<p>At least one can comment on WSJ stories, and I often do that, if only to state the reporter is a dummy for reason X or Y or Z. Lots of people read WSJ comments, it seems.</p>
<p>My home page is, regrettably, Yahoo, which does its own &#8216;news&#8217;, tending as the main  story to feature yet another  bald black NFL player doing something or being done to, or that there are many black NFL coaching candidates.</p>
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		By: Ray		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ray]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Dec 2017 18:56:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The media have been corrupt and dishonest for as long as I can remember. They used to pretend they were objective reporters but now they no longer pretend they aren&#039;t partisan hacks.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The media have been corrupt and dishonest for as long as I can remember. They used to pretend they were objective reporters but now they no longer pretend they aren&#8217;t partisan hacks.</p>
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		By: Dave		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dave]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Dec 2017 18:40:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[After fully supporting a president who did nothing but play golf for eight years, CNN suddenly think a president playing too much golf is bad, can you believe that, can you believe the left&#039;s lack of self reflection and shamelessness to criticize people of things they are a thousand times more guilty of?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After fully supporting a president who did nothing but play golf for eight years, CNN suddenly think a president playing too much golf is bad, can you believe that, can you believe the left&#8217;s lack of self reflection and shamelessness to criticize people of things they are a thousand times more guilty of?</p>
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		By: Dave		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dave]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Dec 2017 18:28:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The thing I hate the most about progressives is they often have the nerve to accuse people on the right of things they have been guilty of for the longest time.  Roy Moore filed a lawsuit to block the AL election result today, liberals bash him of course for couldn&#039;t tale no for an answer.  It is especially ironic hearing that from the left, since they were one who couldn&#039;t take no for an answer on nov 8 2016, and have been throwing tantrum ever since and still trying everything they could to overturn the result.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The thing I hate the most about progressives is they often have the nerve to accuse people on the right of things they have been guilty of for the longest time.  Roy Moore filed a lawsuit to block the AL election result today, liberals bash him of course for couldn&#8217;t tale no for an answer.  It is especially ironic hearing that from the left, since they were one who couldn&#8217;t take no for an answer on nov 8 2016, and have been throwing tantrum ever since and still trying everything they could to overturn the result.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Dec 2017 06:09:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I was intrigued to find this very prescient comment from Neo&#039;s earlier post:
Ben Says: 
November 16th, 2006 at 4:15 am
&lt;b&gt;The fundamental problem, IMHO, is that many of our elites no longer believe in America. &lt;/b&gt;I am NOT saying that they are unpatriotic, so calm down. What I am saying is that they no longer believe that America is special, or, in fact, any different from any other country. They are so wrapped up in guilt (for our prosperity, our past crimes, racism, etc.), &lt;b&gt;that they are no longer able to make qualitative distinctions.&lt;/b&gt; In other words, in their minds the USA is as bad as Nazi Germany because the USA enslaved Blacks and drove Indians off of their lands. Of course, this is so patently ridiculous that one wonders how (or whether even to bother) to refute it.

As a result, there is a tendency among people holding this view to demand perfection of the USA, while excusing horrible crimes that happen elsewhere. This explains how the USA can be viewed as a fascist society (e.g., the Patriot Act), while Castro’s Cuba is a bastion of all that is good. &lt;b&gt;Because the USA is not perfect, it is therefore as evil as the worst of the worst.&lt;/b&gt; Because the benighted Third Worlders in Cuba have universal health care, everything else there must be wonderful. (On a tangential note, I wonder how many people holding this view realize how profoundly racist it is?)

The fundamental problem is that because of guilt (and other factors),&lt;b&gt; these people cannot accept the fact that in 2006, the USA, despite its lack of perfection and somewhat violent history, is still qualitatively superior to Communist China in almost every measure of human dignity. &lt;/b&gt;The old aphorism is that the perfect is the enemy of the good. Anyone seeking perfection in a human endeavor will not find it, and the difference between grown-ups and children is that grown-ups are able to understand this.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was intrigued to find this very prescient comment from Neo&#8217;s earlier post:<br />
Ben Says:<br />
November 16th, 2006 at 4:15 am<br />
<b>The fundamental problem, IMHO, is that many of our elites no longer believe in America. </b>I am NOT saying that they are unpatriotic, so calm down. What I am saying is that they no longer believe that America is special, or, in fact, any different from any other country. They are so wrapped up in guilt (for our prosperity, our past crimes, racism, etc.), <b>that they are no longer able to make qualitative distinctions.</b> In other words, in their minds the USA is as bad as Nazi Germany because the USA enslaved Blacks and drove Indians off of their lands. Of course, this is so patently ridiculous that one wonders how (or whether even to bother) to refute it.</p>
<p>As a result, there is a tendency among people holding this view to demand perfection of the USA, while excusing horrible crimes that happen elsewhere. This explains how the USA can be viewed as a fascist society (e.g., the Patriot Act), while Castro’s Cuba is a bastion of all that is good. <b>Because the USA is not perfect, it is therefore as evil as the worst of the worst.</b> Because the benighted Third Worlders in Cuba have universal health care, everything else there must be wonderful. (On a tangential note, I wonder how many people holding this view realize how profoundly racist it is?)</p>
<p>The fundamental problem is that because of guilt (and other factors),<b> these people cannot accept the fact that in 2006, the USA, despite its lack of perfection and somewhat violent history, is still qualitatively superior to Communist China in almost every measure of human dignity. </b>The old aphorism is that the perfect is the enemy of the good. Anyone seeking perfection in a human endeavor will not find it, and the difference between grown-ups and children is that grown-ups are able to understand this.<br />
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